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Would we have won the 2020 NBA championship if not for COVID?

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- Would the Lakers have won the championship without COVID in the 2020 season? -  
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Yes [37] 
No [16]

Would we have won the 2020 NBA championship if not for COVID? 
Author: CandyCanes 
Posted: 12/04 10:39 PM 
 
This is not the same thing as asking if it’s an asterisk championship— it’s not because everyone played by the same rules. But without the four month break in the middle of the season and the bubble, would we have won? How far would we have gotten under regular circumstances?

I think it’s becoming a bit difficult to deny that LeBron and AD benefitted from the long break.


 
Author: MDI 
Posted: 12/04 11:05 PM 
 
It's not a legitimate title. The guys have not replicated what they did in the Bubble. Looks like a fluke


 
Author: ThePageDude 
Posted: 12/04 11:08 PM 
 
MDI wrote:
It's not a legitimate title. The guys have not replicated what they did in the Bubble. Looks like a fluke


Huh? It's been a completely different team since then - there is no question of any replication. And injuries to the 2 best players mean squat?


 
Author: CandyCanes 
Posted: 12/04 11:44 PM 
 
ThePageDude wrote:
MDI wrote:
It's not a legitimate title. The guys have not replicated what they did in the Bubble. Looks like a fluke


Huh? It's been a completely different team since then - there is no question of any replication. And injuries to the 2 best players mean squat?


LeBron has been significantly injured for three out of his four seasons here. The one in which he wasn’t is the one where there was a four month break. Similar story with AD.


 
Author: lakersfever714 
Posted: 12/04 11:49 PM 
 
NO. We won because we relied on Lebron being a complete monster in the playoffs. No way Lebron could have carried the team like that without the 3-month hiatus. Also, we didn't have to go thru any of the top superstars like Steph, Giannis, KD or Kwahi We manhandled Harden and Westbrook...lol. So yea, that was one of the luck factors that went in our favor. Good luck trying to win next year with Klay and Kawhi back. The team that wins this year championship would have to be a true powerhouse. No lucky 6th seed sneaking in or anything like that.


 
Author: ksmgf 
Posted: 12/04 11:58 PM 
 
NO. The powerful and team of the decade Clippers would have won it all in 16-0


 
Author: Ksig 
Posted: 12/05 12:23 AM 
 
I dont get the argument that we benefited more from the break.

Literally every team and every superstar in the league got the same break, some of which also had injuries to their stars that benefitted even more. Kawhis chronic knee also got a break and they got bounced.

We were first seed in the nba and we got home court advantage taken away.

Right before the break we had big statement wins against the Bucks and Clippers if I remember correctly.

We were playing phenomenal basketball before the break and it took us a while to get our groove and synergy back in the bubble.


 
Author: defense 
Posted: 12/05 12:45 AM 
 
That team was dominating defensively before covid

You guys are bipolar and love to make up scenarios


 
Author: PenG_ 
Posted: 12/05 1:34 AM 
 
How many times does this have to be litigated? Lebron was an animal in the playoffs for an entire decade, capping off eight consecutive trips to the Finals just a season before the bubble. His impact stats in the bubble were roughly identical to the playoff numbers in his last three seasons with Cleveland.

He was healthy all of the 2019-20 season and we were the favored team when the season suspended.

Our probability of winning that Title, bubble or not, was a hell of alot higher than this year. That's for sure


 
Author: mad55557777 
Posted: 12/05 1:48 AM 
 
Would the raptors beat the warriors if KD and Klay were healthy?
Would the bucks beat the Nets if Kyrie wasn’t hurt? Or for that matter, Would the suns reached the finals of AD and Murray were healthy?

Curry didn’t even make the playoffs that year, KD was out recovering Achilles injury. We played everyone at their full strength without home court. Not our fault that Giannis and Kawhi choked
It is much more legit than the 2019 and 2021 title


 
Author: PenG_ 
Posted: 12/05 1:51 AM 
 
mad55557777 wrote:
Would the raptors beat the warriors if KD and Klay were healthy?
Would the bucks beat the Nets if Kyrie wasn’t hurt? Or for that matter, Would the suns reached the finals of AD and Murray were healthy?

Curry didn’t even make the playoffs that year, KD was out recovering Achilles injury. We played everyone at their full strength without home court. Not our fault that Giannis and Kawhi choked
It is much more legit than the 2019 and 2021 title


Do the Warriors win in 2015 if Lebron isn't missing his #2 and #3?
Do the Cavs win in 2016 if Bogut doesn't get injured in game 5?

The list could go on forever...


 
Author: Aeneas Hunter 
Posted: 12/05 5:26 AM 
 
I say Yes. You can make a lot of arguments to the contrary, but they are all conjecture. When the games actually got played, even if in a bubble, we won. It's true that all sorts of things could have gone wrong, and it's true that we benefited from the layoff. But the best evidence is the fact that, when the games actually got played, we kicked everyone's ass. Nothing is ever certain, but I'd bet on us if the bubble didn't happen.


 
Author: LakerSD 
Posted: 12/05 5:29 AM 
 
Yes. They were the most physically dominant, elite defensive team.

They proved it that last weekend in March against the juggernaut Bucks and Clippers.


 
Author: J.C. Smith 
Posted: 12/05 6:30 AM 
 
I don't see why they wouldn't have. Pre-Covid they were peaking, going 13-2 including 10 and 9 point wins over the Clippers and Bucks, a 13 point win over the Sixers, and wins over Denver and Boston.

People also forget they were down a starting guard in Avery Bradley in the bubble, as well. Who was one of the few players who opted out of the bubble.


 
Author: Steve007 
Posted: 12/05 9:22 AM 
 
lakersfever714 wrote:
NO. We won because we relied on Lebron being a complete monster in the playoffs. No way Lebron could have carried the team like that without the 3-month hiatus. Also, we didn't have to go thru any of the top superstars like Steph, Giannis, KD or Kwahi We manhandled Harden and Westbrook...lol. So yea, that was one of the luck factors that went in our favor. Good luck trying to win next year with Klay and Kawhi back. The team that wins this year championship would have to be a true powerhouse. No lucky 6th seed sneaking in or anything like that.


We beat the teams that beat Giannis and Kawhi. Miami beat Giannis in 5 games; the Bucks had no chance against the Heat.

Steph and KD weren’t going to make the playoffs even without Covid being around. They were no threat that year. KD wasn’t even playing in 2020. Giannis hadn’t won yet. Kawhi is on the Clippers. They don’t win championships on that team.

Harden was arguably the biggest threat to the title. Sometimes it’s just your year.


Re: Would we have won the 2020 NBA championship if not for COVID? 
Author: Steve007 
Posted: 12/05 9:30 AM 
 
CandyCanes wrote:
This is not the same thing as asking if it’s an asterisk championship— it’s not because everyone played by the same rules. But without the four month break in the middle of the season and the bubble, would we have won? How far would we have gotten under regular circumstances?

I think it’s becoming a bit difficult to deny that LeBron and AD benefitted from the long break.


Does it matter that much if it’s an asterisk championship? Your team still beat everybody and won the trophy, rings, banner, et.


 
Author: loseyourname 
Posted: 12/05 4:14 PM 
 
This seems like the exact wrong question. The Lakers were dominant all year that season. If anything, the layoff hurt us, because the short offseason so clearly impacted the following season. It hurt all the teams that went deep that year.

If anything helped us, and really helped the entire league by giving someone else a chance, it was everyone on the Warriors being hurt for two full seasons.


 
Author: lakersfever714 
Posted: 12/05 4:15 PM 
 
Steve007 wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
NO. We won because we relied on Lebron being a complete monster in the playoffs. No way Lebron could have carried the team like that without the 3-month hiatus. Also, we didn't have to go thru any of the top superstars like Steph, Giannis, KD or Kwahi We manhandled Harden and Westbrook...lol. So yea, that was one of the luck factors that went in our favor. Good luck trying to win next year with Klay and Kawhi back. The team that wins this year championship would have to be a true powerhouse. No lucky 6th seed sneaking in or anything like that.


We beat the teams that beat Giannis and Kawhi. Miami beat Giannis in 5 games; the Bucks had no chance against the Heat.

Steph and KD weren’t going to make the playoffs even without Covid being around. They were no threat that year. KD wasn’t even playing in 2020. Giannis hadn’t won yet. Kawhi is on the Clippers. They don’t win championships on that team.

Harden was arguably the biggest threat to the title. Sometimes it’s just your year.


With the way Giannis is playing and KD and Steph back, it is much, much tougher to win the chip today than it was in 2020. So yea, luck did play a huge factor (3-month hiatus and less superstars) in helping us secure number 17.

We couldn't repeat because Lebron and AD couldn't get the long break prior to the playoffs the next year so yea, without COVID, we might not have won it.


 
Author: BILBJH 
Posted: 12/05 4:43 PM 
 
It's a legit championship because there are always injuries, extenuating circumstances, so you could play the what if game about every season.

Think of Kawhi's shot from the corner for example.

However, it did help LBJ regain his youth for the playoffs and AD will likely never shoot 42% from three in the finals again.

The problem isn't that we didn't deserve the title... we did.

The problem is that everyone thought LeGM and Klutch could do no wrong in terms of personnel decisions due to largely a fluke title... so management seemed to completely turn over the reins to them.

I have no problem claiming this championship any more than any of the other titles... but if people act like this was a likely scenario or a reproducible situation then I think they are overestimating the team.

The team was good, but not the favorite and LBJ can no longer hide the team's flaws with spectacular individual play.

I thought the Russ experiment might work because LBJ could essentially rest most of the season by significantly cutting his minutes and then turning it on for the playoffs. But, instead he insists on playing 35 minutes plus so there wasn't really any point to trading for Russ since he wasn't going to rest.

Now he's reached the point where he's not Washington Jordan or post Achilles Kobe... he's not Willie Mays on the Mets.

But he's not LBJ either. He's mortal now, and it's very unlikely he can drag AD and Russ to a title unless he actually rested the rest of the year and came back for another version of the bubble playoffs.


 
Author: chrisca91 
Posted: 12/05 8:02 PM 
 
Lol literally no team cared about the bubble. Clippers would have waxed us in 4. Fake ring


Re: Would we have won the 2020 NBA championship if not for COVID? 
Author: venturalakersfan 
Posted: 12/05 8:04 PM 
 
Steve007 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
This is not the same thing as asking if it’s an asterisk championship— it’s not because everyone played by the same rules. But without the four month break in the middle of the season and the bubble, would we have won? How far would we have gotten under regular circumstances?

I think it’s becoming a bit difficult to deny that LeBron and AD benefitted from the long break.


Does it matter that much if it’s an asterisk championship? Your team still beat everybody and won the trophy, rings, banner, et.


Only they didn’t beat everybody, just those teams fortunate enough to be invited to the bubble. There has never been and will never be a similar abomination of a season.


Re: Would we have won the 2020 NBA championship if not for COVID? 
Author: mad55557777 
Posted: 12/05 8:14 PM 
 
venturalakersfan wrote:
Steve007 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
This is not the same thing as asking if it’s an asterisk championship— it’s not because everyone played by the same rules. But without the four month break in the middle of the season and the bubble, would we have won? How far would we have gotten under regular circumstances?

I think it’s becoming a bit difficult to deny that LeBron and AD benefitted from the long break.


Does it matter that much if it’s an asterisk championship? Your team still beat everybody and won the trophy, rings, banner, et.


Only they didn’t beat everybody, just those teams fortunate enough to be invited to the bubble. There has never been and will never be a similar abomination of a season.

Who didn’t they beat?


 
Author: mad55557777 
Posted: 12/05 8:15 PM 
 
chrisca91 wrote:
Lol literally no team cared about the bubble. Clippers would have waxed us in 4. Fake ring

Is that why they choked away a 3-1 lead? More like fake fan


 
Author: mad55557777 
Posted: 12/05 8:17 PM 
 
lakersfever714 wrote:
Steve007 wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
NO. We won because we relied on Lebron being a complete monster in the playoffs. No way Lebron could have carried the team like that without the 3-month hiatus. Also, we didn't have to go thru any of the top superstars like Steph, Giannis, KD or Kwahi We manhandled Harden and Westbrook...lol. So yea, that was one of the luck factors that went in our favor. Good luck trying to win next year with Klay and Kawhi back. The team that wins this year championship would have to be a true powerhouse. No lucky 6th seed sneaking in or anything like that.


We beat the teams that beat Giannis and Kawhi. Miami beat Giannis in 5 games; the Bucks had no chance against the Heat.

Steph and KD weren’t going to make the playoffs even without Covid being around. They were no threat that year. KD wasn’t even playing in 2020. Giannis hadn’t won yet. Kawhi is on the Clippers. They don’t win championships on that team.

Harden was arguably the biggest threat to the title. Sometimes it’s just your year.


With the way Giannis is playing and KD and Steph back, it is much, much tougher to win the chip today than it was in 2020. So yea, luck did play a huge factor (3-month hiatus and less superstars) in helping us secure number 17.

We couldn't repeat because Lebron and AD couldn't get the long break prior to the playoffs the next year so yea, without COVID, we might not have won it.

Flawed argument. The Giannis, KD Steph of today has nothing to do with 2019. That’s like you saying Michael Jordan was lucky to get his rings because he didn’t have to play a prime shaq and Kobe or prime Duncan.


Re: Would we have won the 2020 NBA championship if not for COVID? 
Author: activeverb 
Posted: 12/05 9:09 PM 
 
venturalakersfan wrote:
Steve007 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
This is not the same thing as asking if it’s an asterisk championship— it’s not because everyone played by the same rules. But without the four month break in the middle of the season and the bubble, would we have won? How far would we have gotten under regular circumstances?

I think it’s becoming a bit difficult to deny that LeBron and AD benefitted from the long break.


Does it matter that much if it’s an asterisk championship? Your team still beat everybody and won the trophy, rings, banner, et.


Only they didn’t beat everybody, just those teams fortunate enough to be invited to the bubble. There has never been and will never be a similar abomination of a season.


It was an unusual format because of covid, but all the best teams made the playoffs, just as they would have in a normal year.

Ultimately, all any team can do is beat the team on the court with them.

The Lakers did that in four playoff series and won a ring.

If some people want to discount the ring because of the bubble, so what? Every ring is discounted by some people for some reason. They can shout to the heavens that the ring doesn't "really" count, but the banner is hanging from the ceiling and it counts as much as any other ring in NBA history.

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