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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject:

What Now For Kevin Garnett? Six Possible Destinations
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You naturally want to know what happens next with Kevin Garnett.

Us, too.

Yet we all have to get in line behind the Minnesota Timberwolves, since they don't know either.

After all those years of rejecting outside interest, they've been working feverishly to trade Garnett for at least two weeks. Only now Minnesota faces the uncertainty of starting over when Free Agency Season commences at 12:01 a.m. Sunday, knowing it realistically needs at least two other teams to get involved to complete a trade of this magnitude ... and knowing it'll be even tougher to construct a digestible deal than it proved leading up to the first KG deadline, also known as the NBA draft.

Getting a deal done by Thursday night was so crucial because Minnesota's hope was to trade Garnett for at least one top-10 pick to go with the Wolves' own No. 7 selection, at least one payroll-slashing contract and at least one top-shelf youngster. Or another top-10 pick in place of the youngster.

Wolves vice president Kevin McHale even half-admitted what he was going for when he spoke with Minneapolis reporters late Thursday night, saying: "If we had more picks, we would have [taken Al] Horford and [Joakim] Noah, too. We were working on that."

(Ask yourself this if you don't believe that the KG conversations leading up to the draft were as serious as advertised: Who could the Wolves trade, besides Garnett, to have a shot at either of those guys?)

McHale's new problem, of course, is that the draft choices he hoped would headline his return package on a Garnett deal have all been made by other teams. He'll have to assemble a different kind of deal now, unless Minnesota believes that Garnett can move past all this and return for training camp in October with his Wolf For Life mantra restored to mint condition.

Exactly. The Wolves can't believe that'll happen and so will resume efforts to trade him immediately.

Did someone say where?

The refreshed list of possibilities:

PHOENIX

The Suns figure to remain at the forefront of the KG Sweepstakes because the desert, as ESPN.com reported last week, is where Garnett wants to end up if he's forced to leave his beloved "Sota." If a deal gets close that doesn't involve the Suns, they'll almost certainly be given an opportunity to get in one final bid, given that Garnett continues to possess a considerable measure of input on where he lands because of his ability to become a free agent after next season.

The Suns' unwillingness to include Amare Stoudemire in any deal, though, might not even be the biggest obstacle preventing Garnett from playing alongside his little buddy Steve Nash. Finances are the larger challenge in Phoenix, especially now that a trade didn't happen before July 1, meaning that all of Garnett's trade kicker ($6.75 million) will be added to his $22 million salary for 2007-08.

A list that daunting should explain the skepticism of new Suns GM Steve Kerr.

So the post-draft list of prerequisites/challenges for the Suns to land Garnett, with the ability to sweeten a deal by throwing in one or two late first-round 2007 draft picks having perished, would contain at least three items:

1. Construct a deal that can accommodate a $28.75 million salary-cap number which somehow also keeps Stoudemire in Phoenix.

2. Keep looking for a side deal or two separate from the KG talks that shaves additional payroll.

3. Convince Garnett to accept an extension to his contract with a slight reduction in annual salary -- in the, say, $15 million-a-year range -- knowing that he'll be opting out after next season.

All of which helps explain the skepticism of new Suns GM Steve Kerr.

The good news? Phoenix still has an impressive cache of trade assets to lure participants into a multi-team arrangement, including Atlanta's unprotected first-round pick in the 2008 draft, and still has the Garnett-Nash connection to ensure KG's ongoing interest.

The bad news? As Kerr told Phoenix reporters late Thursday night: "The Garnett thing, no matter who is involved in those talks, it's so difficult to even fathom because of the financial implications."

GOLDEN STATE

That Jason Richardson-to-Charlotte trade?

NBA front-office sources insist that was actually part of the Warriors' late bid on draft night to assemble their own three-team swoop for Garnett, with the Warriors and Bobcats deciding to go ahead with a smaller deal when it became apparent that there would be no draft-night blockbuster.

Said one rival team executive who was likewise in the hunt: "Golden State thought they had KG."

However ...

Golden State really needed Richardson's salary to make a KG deal work. That $10 million trade exception created by his departure cannot be combined with other salaries in the Warriors' next KG proposal, which means they wouldn't appear capable of approaching Garnett's salary range without including Baron Davis in a deal. What would the Warriors really have if Baron isn't there to play with KG?

The Warriors' interest, however, remains undeterred. And they do have their own impressive cache of assets to force their way into any multi-team conversation, starting with coveted youngsters like Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and now Brandan Wright. Warriors vice president Chris Mullin has also created a good deal of payroll flexibility for himself by shedding Richardson, which created the $10 million trade exception Golden State could use to take back one of the Wolves' undesirable contracts (such as Marko Jaric or Troy Hudson) in a separate trade. It's my belief that Garnett would not want to play in Golden State and that his representation would try to dissuade the Warriors from trading for him, by reminding them -- as seen with the Celtics -- of Garnett's ability to leave after one season.

Yet as one Warriors wiseacre is fond of reminding me, Garnett already comes to Oakland twice a season, so don't rule anything out.

And my longtime colleague Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury-News, who hawks Mullin as closely as anyone, contends that pretty much every move Mully makes "is done with an eye towards improving their position in Garnett talks."

CHICAGO

If I were smarter, one team keeps telling me, I would have started this list with the Bulls. "Chicago is best positioned to [make a trade] for both Kobe [or] KG," this executive maintains.

With Kobe -- forgetting for a minute that the Lakers have less than zero interest in trading him -- I buy that claim because Chicago is where Kobe wants to go.

In KG's case? It's not because of Garnett's high school ties to Chicago, my exec says, but because the Bulls play in the conference Minnesota would prefer to deal with and because they possess their own stable of desirable youngsters that Minnesota can't ignore. The Bulls arguably have enough to deal directly with the Wolves, with Noah as the latest arrival and McHale having publicly stated his interest in him.

Yet even if the Bulls plug P.J. Brown into the deal via sign-and-trade -- the 37-year-old can't sign for less than three years in a sign-and-trade, but league rules stipulate that only one year must be guaranteed, which in effect creates an expiring contract -- Chicago will naturally attempt to keep Luol Deng (and probably Kirk Hinrich) off limits.

Is a package featuring Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Thabo Sefolosha and maybe even Noah sufficient? Doesn't exactly compare to the haul that the inimitable Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribune says Minnesota turned down a year ago: Tyson Chandler, Deng and the No. 2 pick in the draft.

BOSTON

The Celtics' acquisition of Ray Allen hasn't been met with consensus praise or glee from Bostonians, which can't be too surprising when Allen is almost 32 and coming off surgery on both ankles.

But give Danny Ainge this: Boston got an All-Star to join Paul Pierce and Al Jefferson without giving up Jefferson or Theo Ratliff's expiring contract ... and by exiling KG's old foil Wally Szczerbiak.

The Celts, in other words, still have the two assets McHale covets most in a Garnett trade: Jefferson and the cap relief Ratliff represents. Garnett has made it rather clear than he doesn't want to play in Boston, but what if Boston winds up as his only other option besides returning to work for McHale and Wolves owner Glen Taylor?

Playing with Pierce and Allen might not seem so bad then, assuming Boston could be convinced to take on the tax-inducing expense of committing some $60 million a year to just three players ... with an extension for Jefferson looming.

DALLAS

Before the draft, Dallas had no shot at getting involved, with no expiring contracts and no good draft picks to peddle. Delete draft picks from the Wolves' equation and the Mavs' chances improve considerably, primarily because Mark Cuban might be the only owner in this discussion who won't be mortified by the luxury-tax implications of importing Garnett ... although even that's not a given.

The Mavs would naturally try to involve Austin Croshere and/or Keith Van Horn (yes, they still have his rights) in the same sort of sign-and-trade arrangement described above with P.J. Brown to generate payroll relief for the Wolves. Yet it remains to be seen how the rest of the offer would look when Dirk Nowitzki isn't Dallas' only untouchable these days.

The Mavs, to date, insist that Josh Howard and Devin Harris are as close to untouchable as you can get. But it's difficult to envision Dallas making a legit run at KG without being asked to part with those two.

I suppose that's debatable if a top-shelf suitor like Phoenix pulls itself out of the running -- which hasn't happened yet, Suns folks say -- because of the cost involved. If the field thins, perhaps Dallas can concoct something that enables them to keep one of the young cornerstones.

But the message I keep getting is that Harris, seen in Big D as a long-term defensive counter to Tony Parker, is off-limits unless the Mavs find themselves in the midst of a Kobe trade.

LOS ANGELES LAKERS

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reported this week that Garnett is the one player whose arrival via trade could lead to the halting of a Trade Me campaign that Bryant says won't otherwise stop until Jerry Buss does trade him.

So now you know why the Lakers won't abandon their KG dreams until they hear he's officially headed elsewhere.

The combo of Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum could get the Pacers' Jermaine O'Neal right now -- Indiana is holding off on trading O'Neal to New Jersey or another club in hopes that the Lakers will change their stance and surrender those two -- but only Bynum works for the Wolves, with Minnesota not interested in absorbing Odom's contract.

The Lakers, then, will continue to ignore the limitations of what they have to offer and brainstorm for three- and four-team scenarios that might somehow work, since they heard it louder than anyone when McHale didn't exactly discourage new offers by saying: "[Garnett] is a member of our team right now. I assume he'll be a member of the team this fall."

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject:

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The Lakers, in an effort to bolster their roster and appease the disgruntled Bryant, have been making overtures for O’Neal for some time. The Pacers want forward Lamar Odom and center Andrew Bynum in return, a price the Lakers have deemed too steep. The Lakers’ attempts to acquire Garnett were stymied because of the Timberwolves’ soft interest in Bynum and a lack of other intriguing players on the Lakers’ roster


Ouch, McHale has "soft" interest in Andrew Bynum. Wow... we're screwed.


Really. So much for our great draft pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject:

pe.com

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he "thought we got close" to making something happen.

"But until you have a deal that's approved, you don't have a deal," he said Thursday. "At times we thought we were pretty close here in the last couple of weeks. But here it is draft day, and the deal that we hoped we could get done, we did not get done. But it's just Phase One. We start again tomorrow and work through the summer."

Maybe Mitch thought Odom for #8 was gonna happen and the bastard warriors killed it in hopes to get KG for themselves. Hopefully he has a good plan for "Phase Two".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject:

odom to the celtics for ratliff and gerald green. kg to the lakers green,bynum ratliff brown to the wolves.

foye,green,brewer,brown,bynum wolves new lineup

odom would insure a good playoff run for the celtics

garnett keeps kobe here
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject:

vicman wrote:
odom to the celtics for ratliff and gerald green. kg to the lakers green,bynum ratliff brown to the wolves.

foye,green,brewer,brown,bynum wolves new lineup

odom would insure a good playoff run for the celtics

garnett keeps kobe here


The celtics would be better than us if they can add LO and keep the 2 allstars
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject:

vicman wrote:
odom to the celtics for ratliff and gerald green. kg to the lakers green,bynum ratliff brown to the wolves.

foye,green,brewer,brown,bynum wolves new lineup

odom would insure a good playoff run for the celtics

garnett keeps kobe here

Won't work for Minnesota. They like Al Horford, Al Jefferson and Noah. Not a lot of interest in Gerald Green, they like Rashard McCants... believe he has star potential. 6-4 with a 6-10 wingspan and silky smooth jumper.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject:

We've had a few days to rest, round 2 begins 2mrw!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject:

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The Lakers, in an effort to bolster their roster and appease the disgruntled Bryant, have been making overtures for O’Neal for some time. The Pacers want forward Lamar Odom and center Andrew Bynum in return, a price the Lakers have deemed too steep. The Lakers’ attempts to acquire Garnett were stymied because of the Timberwolves’ soft interest in Bynum and a lack of other intriguing players on the Lakers’ roster


Ouch, McHale has "soft" interest in Andrew Bynum. Wow... we're screwed.


Really. So much for our great draft pick.


No really!...If you measure Bynum's promising NBA career with McHale's talent recognition skills, we are really doomed. McHale, a guy who can't put a winning team in Minnesota, is not the most indicated GM to say how good this kid can be.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject:

they-perch wrote:
Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.


Amare put up those monster numbers on one leg.... lol
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject:

XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
they-perch wrote:
Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.


Amare put up those monster numbers on one leg.... lol


Uh?...What happened to Amare's other leg?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject:

PROUDLAKERFAN wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
they-perch wrote:
Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.


Amare put up those monster numbers on one leg.... lol


Uh?...What happened to Amare's other leg?


He was still recovering from his knee surgery that left him out the entire 05/06 season....
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject:

XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
PROUDLAKERFAN wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
they-perch wrote:
Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.


Amare put up those monster numbers on one leg.... lol


Uh?...What happened to Amare's other leg?


He was still recovering from his knee surgery that left him out the entire 05/06 season....


Oh!, what a relief...I thought he lost his leg, and he played with only one leg, thanks for clarifying.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject:

UPDATE:

Heisler outlines a Golden State scenario, which doesn't add up salary wise:

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...The Warriors jumped in with both feet on draft day, trading popular Jason Richardson to Charlotte for young Brandan Wright, whom they hadn't even worked out.

With Minnesota seeking prospects, the Warriors are now offering Wright, Monta Ellis and Patrick O'Bryant.

Minnesota is asking for Andris Biedrins. Golden State is offering Al Harrington instead and may also insist that Garnett waive his $6.5-million trade kicker, so it's not done yet.

For the Lakers, or as they're known these days, Ground Zero, that's what passes for consolation...


...With Andrew Bynum showing up daily to work out, impressing skeptics among the Lakers, they're now considering the possibility that their best move may be no move.

I don't care if Bryant does a feature-length movie in which he curses Bynum's name and offers to carry him piggyback to New Jersey to get Kidd. It's not impossible to imagine Bynum at 14 points and nine rebounds and the Lakers at, say, 48 wins.

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Garnett in Oakland is an even worse nightmare for the Lakers. The Suns were already above them. With KG, the Warriors would be too.

The Warriors jumped in with both feet on draft day, trading popular Jason Richardson to Charlotte for young Brandan Wright, whom they hadn't even worked out.

With Minnesota seeking prospects, the Warriors are now offering Wright, Monta Ellis and Patrick O'Bryant.

Minnesota is asking for Andris Biedrins. Golden State is offering Al Harrington instead and may also insist that Garnett waive his $6.5-million trade kicker, so it's not done yet.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-heisler1jul01,1,939747.column?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject:

PROUDLAKERFAN wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
PROUDLAKERFAN wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
they-perch wrote:
Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.


Amare put up those monster numbers on one leg.... lol


Uh?...What happened to Amare's other leg?


He was still recovering from his knee surgery that left him out the entire 05/06 season....


Oh!, what a relief...I thought he lost his leg, and he played with only one leg, thanks for clarifying.


No problem... Im just happy we have posters like you who are able to understand sentences beyond the context of the words that are posted on this site. Without you guys LG wouldnt be ... welll ... LG...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject:

Dream Scenario;

Lakers Trade Bynum, Odom for Pau Gasol.
Lakers Trade Farmar, Luke, Yue, Kwame, Evans for Artest, Salmons and Abdurrahim
Sign Papaloukas

06-07
Papaloukas/Critteron/Sasha
Kobe/Salmons
Artest/Radmanovic
Abdurahim/Turiaf/Cook
Gasol/Gasol/Mihm

Lakers make a good showing, KG sees that our only weakspot is the PF position, so he opts out and signs the MLE for 5 years.

07-08 - Start of a 3 peat.
Papaloukas/Crittendon/Sasha
Kobe/Salmons
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject:

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odom to the celtics for ratliff and gerald green. kg to the lakers green,bynum ratliff brown to the wolves.

foye,green,brewer,brown,bynum wolves new lineup

odom would insure a good playoff run for the celtics

garnett keeps kobe here

Won't work for Minnesota. They like Al Horford, Al Jefferson and Noah. Not a lot of interest in Gerald Green, they like Rashard McCants... believe he has star potential. 6-4 with a 6-10 wingspan and silky smooth jumper.

Isn't McCants coming off microfracture surgery on his blown out knee. Especially important because he's undersized for a sg and must rely on his explosion. I'm not saying he can't come back completely, it's just that it isn't a given by any stretch. They'd like Green.

And as far as McHale not liking Bynum, I think it's BS.

In 4 games last year against Minny Bynum went for:
28.3 .636 .000 .647 1.3 6.8 8.0 1.0 0.2 2.0 9.8

If McLurch isn't impressed with a 19 year old doing that to his team he can go snuggle with Ainge and Birdy. I personally feel we shouldn't even give Bynum up in the trade.

McLurch HAS NO LEVERAGE. He should have traded him at least a year ago and everybody knows it.

If other teams want to overpay let them.

LO, Bynum, and anything is too much to pay and KG already wants a guaranteed contract extension at $20+ million.

He's already made over $200 million in bb salary alone. Screw him. He can go snuggle up with the Celtics in rascist Boston for all I care.

His ego's gonna be hurt if the team he goes to doesn't have to gut itself to get him. That's more important to him than winning.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject:

XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
PROUDLAKERFAN wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
PROUDLAKERFAN wrote:
XxBaDGuYxX wrote:
they-perch wrote:
Thought...

What if andrew bynum plays in the vegas summer league, and averages dominant numbers, 23ppg, 12 rebounds, 3-4 blocks. numbers that would probably top what amare did last summer. Maybe that could be something that would warm up mchale's interest in bynum.


Amare put up those monster numbers on one leg.... lol


Uh?...What happened to Amare's other leg?


He was still recovering from his knee surgery that left him out the entire 05/06 season....


Oh!, what a relief...I thought he lost his leg, and he played with only one leg, thanks for clarifying.


No problem... Im just happy we have posters like you who are able to understand sentences beyond the context of the words that are posted on this site. Without you guys LG wouldnt be ... welll ... LG...


No need for compliments.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject:

GS is unwilling to part with Andres freakin' Biedrens?? Wow, thank God though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject:

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GS is unwilling to part with Andres freakin' Biedrens?? Wow, thank God though.


Why's that so hard to believe? Just under 10 PPG/10 RPG with 1.7 BPG in under 30 MPG...at the age of 21? Sure he's got a bunch of holes in his game still, but kids with his skills and mobility for his size don't come along every day. He shouldn't be untouchable, but the warriors need to be careful if they're thinking about moving a guy like him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject:

Frankly, I don't believe 75% of what any of these guys say. I don't think the FO's leak out as much information as has been reported so the reporters are using trade checker, rumor, and common sense. Every offer has a counter offer, so it's not hard to imagine what they could be.

At this point, I am all for working the magic wand to somehow get Gasol, Papaloukas, and a nice defensive minded player. Getting rid of Cook is high on my list. Sasha can go too, he's never going to blow up into a player of any substance. Someone needs to work with VRad this summer too--he gets one more chance and if he is as bad next season as he was last season (injury or not) he gets shipped out too.

If the coaches would work on defense a little more we could already win 5 more games than we did last season, since we seemed quite clueless about how to defend pick and roll, etc. Forget making Kobe happy--develop the bench and get a cohesive passing game together, and when Kobe starts freelancing too much next season he can sit down and the second unit can maybe hold down the fort more than they did last season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject:

LVLAKERFAN wrote:
Dream Scenario;

Lakers Trade Bynum, Odom for Pau Gasol.
Lakers Trade Farmar, Luke, Yue, Kwame, Evans for Artest, Salmons and Abdurrahim
Sign Papaloukas

06-07
Papaloukas/Critteron/Sasha
Kobe/Salmons
Artest/Radmanovic
Abdurahim/Turiaf/Cook
Gasol/Gasol/Mihm

Lakers make a good showing, KG sees that our only weakspot is the PF position, so he opts out and signs the MLE for 5 years.

07-08 - Start of a 3 peat.
Papaloukas/Crittendon/Sasha
Kobe/Salmons
Artest/Radmanovic
KG/Abdurahim/Turiaf
Gasol/Gasol/Mihm

We wouldn't trade odom and bynum for JO, but we trade them for Pau?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject:

It is funny to hear people so excited about Bynum working out. That is what he gets paid to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject:

Please pay close attention, THERE IS NO KG TO GS TRADE. It doesn't exist. It would go as far as the Boston-MN talks. You really think a team that barely made the playoffs is going to trade half their team for KG and then compete for a title? If KG is getting traded, I PROMISE YOU, it is to a sure contender.
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