|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| LO for Sheed? |
| Yes. |
|
55% |
[ 29 ] |
| No. |
|
44% |
[ 23 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 52 |
|
| Author |
Message |
the_natural05
Starting Rotation
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
Posts: 435
|
 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Sheed is one of the best low-post defenders in the league and very talented offensively. I'd do it man, what more can you get from Lamar? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
TIM CAMPBELL
Starting Rotation
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 168
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I get so tired of some of u guys talking about guys are head cases or problems. (Sheed, Spree. and # 8 stopper to name a few) At this point in time our squad is a head case. Have u checked our record as of late. My Laker brothers we need to start taking some chances on some players if we get a chance or or either call it a season.
This team sucks |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ndn Guy
Starting Rotation
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
Posts: 336
Location: Downey, CA
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tried it on realgm.com and it works
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Incoming
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
14.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
Detroit Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
14.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.0 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.7 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and +1.9 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Detroit being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Detroit had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jacko
Star Player
Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Posts: 5159
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
hell yea...........
but det. r not that dump like mitch. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
GameCock-MD
Star Player
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 4498
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
At least we could try...VC/Baron comes to mind...
_________________
Build around team players, not ISO players. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sodapoppenski
Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
Posts: 7364
Location: Washington, DC
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| hoopschick29 wrote: | | sodapoppenski wrote: | | Ko8e8ryant wrote: | | How old is Rasheed? |
Too old. We're not gonna win a championship or even contend for one just by swapping LO for 'Sheed, we'll still be looking at contending in 2007 or later... so why make a "band-aid" move?
Even if we end up moving Lamar, we should take our sweet time doing so and find a player who'll help make us contenders when we use our cap-space. |
Because it helps us NOW and we don't lose anything. A band-aid move is fine if your not sacrificing the future. |
Who says we wouldn't be sacrificing the future? We'd be sacrificing having either LO (or another young enough player) who will still be playing good enough ball in 2007/2008 when things come together for us. We'd be sacrificing having LO (or another young player) locked up PAST 2007 to where we can add a max player and still have both. Who says we keep Sheed past then?
We DO lose something by swapping for Sheed, or most any other older player out there who helps us FILL SEATS for the next two years, but HURTS our chances at serious contention in 2007+. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
the_natural05
Starting Rotation
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
Posts: 435
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Who are we throwing away two seasons for? Unless Jordan, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain or Hakeem are in that crop, throwing away 2 years of basketball should never be done. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
angrypuppy
Retired Number
Joined: 13 Apr 2001
Posts: 32754
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| M. Hicks wrote: | Problem with Sheed (and this is even considering if DET would do the deal, which they don't), is, that as long as he's "one of five guys" on the court...as long as you don't demand him to be the #2 option, he would be cool, but let the media and fanboys start with the "he needs to step up" and "he needs to help Kobe better" rhetoric, you would start to see more meltdowns from him.
Rasheed has a nice post game, a killer baseline fadeaway and his range is every bit as good as Diggler's. He would be an upgrade from Odom as long as he wasn't pressured to be "the man next to the man."
But here, he would be, so it wouldn't work, imo. Detroit is playing well, why would they deal Sheed? He's their primary offensive post player, and they need his weakside help D. |
I'm glad Hicks caught that: Most here lament LO's shortcomings, which are most evident when he's the #2 option. Rasheed was kicked out of Portland for exactly that reason, in that he refused to be a reliable "go to guy" whether it was the first or second option. I have no idea where some of you buy into the "Rasheed leaves it all on the floor" mantra. He doesn't... in a relatively meaningless regular season game (like Lakers vs. Nets) he probably would have disappeared.
Detroit worked out well for Rasheed, as the management and personnel didn't demand him to be a consistent high-scorer. The front office also didn't blanch at paying Rasheed a superstar contract, despite being a role player extraordinaire.
I'd rather have Rasheed, but not be much. He'll give you more points (barely), less rebounds, less assists or playmaking, much better defense, and a rotten 'tude towards the fans. And if you rely on him, he'll deliver what Lamar brings you most nights: inconsistency.
All in all, I'm not happy with Lamar but I'd love for the Lakers to keep him AND land a reliable secondl scorer (if that's possible), preferably someone who can deliver from the post. Lamar's not worth his contract, but neither is Rasheed if you just look at the stats. Yet Detroit won a championship by taking Rasheed, and accepting his superstar contract with roleplayer mentality. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
shnjb
Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Oct 2002
Posts: 13320
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
You are undermining the difference between Rasheed and Lamar.
Rasheed is not very consistent or aggressive when it comes to scoring; I agree.
Nevertheless, when Rasheed is on, he's NBA first team talent on both ends... he's very clutch too.
Odom, on the other hand, does not have that kind of talent on either end.
So while there are some similarities between the two, the difference is a rather large one. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sodapoppenski
Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
Posts: 7364
Location: Washington, DC
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Ndn Guy wrote: | tried it on realgm.com and it works
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Incoming
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
14.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
Detroit Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
14.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.0 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.7 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and +1.9 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Detroit being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Detroit had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. |
Wooohoo, let's do it! We get a player who's 5 years older and has roughly equal stats! And then when he gets here he can start from SCRATCH on learning the triangle!
Then again Odom does smoke the reefer, unlike Rash------Oh wait, nevermind.
You wanna trade LO, that's one thing... but there are more options out there than Rasheed, and given a few months to work on it and let certain teams fall below expectations, etc - there are bound to be a couple of players that would fit the trade specs and wouldn't be over 30 years old.
Soda  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
angrypuppy
Retired Number
Joined: 13 Apr 2001
Posts: 32754
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| shnjb wrote: | You are undermining the difference between Rasheed and Lamar.
Rasheed is not very consistent or aggressive when it comes to scoring; I agree.
Nevertheless, when Rasheed is on, he's NBA first team talent on both ends... he's very clutch too.
Odom, on the other hand, does not have that kind of talent on either end.
So while there are some similarities between the two, the difference is a rather large one. |
Agree with all but the last sentence, within this context: Lamar is slightly more consistent in terms of performance (which isn't saying much), but when Rasheed gets revved, he is a game changing force.
Yet if we really could swap Lamar for Rasheed, it wouldn't make much difference. Both would be ripped to shreds by the Laker faithful and Phil, if given the task of being the #2 scorer behind Kobe. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ElginBaylor
Franchise Player
Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 10775
Location: Hoosier Nation
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Jacko wrote: | hell yea...........
but det. r not that dump like mitch. |
_________________
Not a legend |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
markkk89
Starting Rotation
Joined: 19 Aug 2005
Posts: 207
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| need to get more than sheed |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dcarter4kobe
Franchise Player
Joined: 30 Jul 2005
Posts: 17674
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Dumars said he would not trade anybody in his starting line up |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
