ODOM IS STILL A GOOD PLAYER!!!!!! Just please put him back on the post...

iam · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 816

...I would still have him be agressive during defensive rebound and if available to take it coast to coast, but otherwise, put him back in the post and run the offense entirely through him or put him on the opposite of Kobe.

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MajicMan · Starting Rotation Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 165

I'm sure Odom is a nice guy, maybe too nice. He just does not have the competitiveness and tenacity to live up to his capabilities. Lamar is not mentally strong and it shows. The experiment failed and we really will never go anywhere as long as Lamar is the second option. He is simply not contributing enough and probably never will.

2Cleva · Star Player Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 9195

Odom at the 4 makes the interior defense weak. We see the difference already in a Brown/Mihm combo than what LA had with Odom/Mihm last year.

No, Odom at the 4 may get a few more points out of him but he'll give up just as many on the other end.

gastr · Sixth Man Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 82

One problem: Odom doesn't like the post.

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bounty · Star Player Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3946

You guys/gals are amazing. obviously life is about problem solving, but you must understand. LO IS NOT THAT GOOD. Period. All I heard how last year is what out of position, now you want him back. All I heard is how playing initiator he will excel, yet he aint. Now what? We are going around in circles for a guy who has never done anything. he cant score no matter where you put him. His D is Avg. at best no matter what position he is guarding. he has never played with aggression, he has never been a thinker on the court. THIS WILL NOT CHANGE. H is a waste of time. PJ can get through to players that want to learn ie:walton. OR Players that challenge themself ie :Kobe, MJ, Rod. he does not get through to lazy minded guys. He is what he is. These downfalls are pretty much uncoachable without help from the FREAKEN PLAYER
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LakerLogic · Franchise Player Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 17886

He was never a good one to begin with.

the_natural05 · Starting Rotation Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 435

Of course. Everybody knows he SHOULD be playing down low with a reasonably polished back to the basket game.

iam · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 816

He doesn't have to be a PF to play in the post. EVERYTHING remain the same. Just the offensive philosophy will have to change. He no longer plays the role of an initiator. Much like what Tex suggested.

He'll be posting up SFs all day long and defensively I don't think he's that much of a liability.

LO feels more comfortable out there driblling around but if we want him to avg 20+ pts, then he needs to do it around the basket, not taking 3s or shooting jumpers.

LakerLogic · Franchise Player Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 17886

^He will never average 20 pts. He has no offensive game other than dribbling out the shot clock and chucking 3-pointers. No jumper, no creativity, and no offensive awareness.

iam · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 816

c'mon LakerLogic. His offensive post game is not bad.

iam · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 816

He doesn't have to be a PF to play in the post. EVERYTHING remain the same. Just the offensive philosophy will have to change. He no longer plays the role of an initiator. Much like what Tex suggested.

He'll be posting up SFs all day long and defensively I don't think he's that much of a liability.

LO feels more comfortable out there driblling around but if we want him to avg 20+ pts, then he needs to do it around the basket, not taking 3s or shooting jumpers.

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ocho · Retired Number Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 53788

yeah you are right. he was just AWESOME last year at the 4. just awesome. dominated games. we all were in agreement last year that the 4 was the place for him. we were all upset when they decided to put him back at the 3 this year. what were they thinking?
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Shapecity · Starting Rotation Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 527

Any thoughts about bringing Odom off the bench?

I think the 6th man is under used in the league already. Let him watch Luke initiate the offense and then sub Odom in to punish the second unit of the opposing teams. With his versatility he could sub in at SF or PF depending on match ups or foul trouble.

Let the Toni Kukoc comparisons begin.

iam · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 816

MAN... are you guys reading what im saying???????

Just because he's playing primarily the post position DOES NOT MEAN he plays the Power Forward. He still guarding the opponent's 3.

Just take him off from the primary ball handler position and let the offense go through his hand. I trust his passing & decision making skills.

Listen, I'm disappointed in him just as much as the next guy. But what I'm recommending has never been done and it's something that Tex Winter suggested.

Supa · Star Player Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 2210

Lamar just isn't that skilled offensively. When people say he's talented, they're not talking about his offensive game. He has like one move in the post and can only really score effectively blowing by his man for the layup. Unfortunately lot of the time he'll throw up a wild attempt that has little chance of going in. He probably has one of the weakest jumpshots in the NBA among perimeter players. Definately not a spot up shooter. More of a shooter off the dribble who needs to get in rhythm which is not good unless he's gonna be dominating the ball.

Unfortunately Lamar is just not a good second option to Kobe. Lamar actually can be effective, but only it's mostly when he dominates the ball and is the focus of the offense. We have seen him carry the team with Kobe out of the lineup. But he's rarely able to be that same player when Kobe's in the lineup. So unless Kobe's gonna defer to Lamar and play off him or something, it's probably not gonna work.

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flashakadrano · Star Player Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 1028

he needs to practice his layups. or just dunking IT man!!

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fansincemagic · Franchise Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 11051

It is a shame the Lakers don't have another 3/4 type player to pair with Odom to create more matchup problems. Maybe someone a bit more physical that can still hit from outside and block a shot once in a while. Eddie Griffin is more of a 4, but a guy like him would create a lot of problems. The same guys get mentioned, but Battier would be a great complement to Odom also.

bounty · Star Player Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3946

You see, its not just from recent games. LO is really not all that. Always excuses or solutions. NADA
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