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chef Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: Caron Butler kickin' ass and takin' names |
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32pts, 15 boards, 4 assist, 3 steals tonight against the Warriors. Wow. |
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chef Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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...and that's as a 2nd option. Arenas has 41. |
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magic_bryant Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, how many did they allow? _________________ Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass." |
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Great One Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 3166 Location: Girl I'm Back in Spanish Town
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ "Nobody hates the good ones. They hate the great ones." - KB |
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magic_bryant Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Let it go guys. It's not like we traded a great player. We traded a guy that was AVERAGE as a starter last year. Inconsistent. No D. Scorers mentality and that's about it. Every now and then he puts it altogether, like tonight.
But not nearly enough. _________________ Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass." |
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Charles Star Player
Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 4525
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Washington is near the bottom of the league defensively. Currently Golden State has 124 in regulation. Only a 4 point difference. |
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Smel Counts Star Player
Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 1744 Location: corner of Prairie and Manchester
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Did they win? LOL |
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eureca Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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magic_bryant wrote: | Let it go guys. It's not like we traded a great player. We traded a guy that was AVERAGE as a starter last year. Inconsistent. No D. Scorers mentality and that's about it. Every now and then he puts it altogether, like tonight.
But not nearly enough. |
Average? WTF? |
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magic_bryant Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 18179
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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eureca wrote: | magic_bryant wrote: | Let it go guys. It's not like we traded a great player. We traded a guy that was AVERAGE as a starter last year. Inconsistent. No D. Scorers mentality and that's about it. Every now and then he puts it altogether, like tonight.
But not nearly enough. |
Average? WTF? |
Yep, average. He gave up just as many points or MORE than he would score. He was an average starting SF. Sure, on that horrible team, he looked like a world beater. But that's just it. He was playing on a bad team. _________________ Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass." |
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bambam Star Player
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 9013
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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eureca wrote: | magic_bryant wrote: | Let it go guys. It's not like we traded a great player. We traded a guy that was AVERAGE as a starter last year. Inconsistent. No D. Scorers mentality and that's about it. Every now and then he puts it altogether, like tonight.
But not nearly enough. |
Average? WTF? |
if that.
he only played hard when his shot was falling, didnt have a good season until lamar went out for the rest of the season.
hes an above average SF in a league with 2 many of them.
who cares what he is doing. |
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Strokke Starting Rotation
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 670
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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is it too late to give them Odom instead? |
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magic_bryant Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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bambam wrote: | eureca wrote: | magic_bryant wrote: | Let it go guys. It's not like we traded a great player. We traded a guy that was AVERAGE as a starter last year. Inconsistent. No D. Scorers mentality and that's about it. Every now and then he puts it altogether, like tonight.
But not nearly enough. |
Average? WTF? |
if that.
he only played hard when his shot was falling, didnt have a good season until lamar went out for the rest of the season.
hes an above average SF in a league with 2 many of them.
who cares what he is doing. |
Exactly. You can just about put ANY SF on a bad team and, given starter's minutes, he'll look great cause he'll be putting up the points. SF are a dime a dozen. SF that want to score and do nothing else, are also a dime a dozen.
Average starting SF. _________________ Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass." |
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Crazy LA Fan14 Starting Rotation
Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 541 Location: City of Angels
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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shoulda kept him..once again _________________ A Clipper/Laker Fan
--------D12, Livy, Iggy, O.J. Mayo, Randy Foye & Rudy Gay-------- |
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Nahtanoj Star Player
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 2854 Location: Qld, Australia
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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No shouldn't have.. |
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Money$hot! Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt there's a GM in the L that would call Caron average right now....
Right now were so desperate for scoring Cook's getting big minutes. Talk about a defensive liability.
Caron's defense likely would've improved under PJax and his all-star coaching staff...
Still dont think we should've kept him if the idea was the precious 07 plan...
We shouldve got a hella lot more for him that deadbeat Kwame Brown. Hell, maybe we should've offered Caron 2 years for 16 mil, maybe he would've stayed. He definately would've been more tradeable than the bust we got for him. |
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thumpinghead Star Player
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 5657
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Caron Butler kickin' ass and takin' names |
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chef wrote: | 32pts, 15 boards, 4 assist, 3 steals tonight against the Warriors. Wow. |
dude let it go, check deveon tonite instead _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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ducasse Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Money$hot! wrote: | I doubt there's a GM in the L that would call Caron average right now....
Right now were so desperate for scoring Cook's getting big minutes. Talk about a defensive liability.
Caron's defense likely would've improved under PJax and his all-star coaching staff...
Still dont think we should've kept him if the idea was the precious 07 plan...
We shouldve got a hella lot more for him that deadbeat Kwame Brown. Hell, maybe we should've offered Caron 2 years for 16 mil, maybe he would've stayed. He definately would've been more tradeable than the bust we got for him. |
Offense is only half of the story. Kwame plays good post defense. Caron plays no defense. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 35946 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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How many points did Butler hold Yao to last time they played?
What about Shaq?
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Aussiesuede Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: | How many points did Butler hold Yao to last time they played?
What about Shaq?
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Dude, Butler flat shut down Shaq! Shaq couldn't score one time down on the block against Butler. Every time he saw Butler he'd go to the other side of the floor. Caron is a God! _________________ I'm On point, On task, On message, and Off drugs. A Streetwise Smart Bomb, Out of rehab and In denial. Over the Top, On the edge, Under the Radar, and In Control. Behind the 8 ball, Ahead of the Curve and I've got a Love Child who sends me Hate mail. |
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magic_bryant Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah!!! Look at CARON!!! He dunks cool and scores lots of cool points. He's a winner. _________________ Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass." |
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junebug Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Let it go. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Caron Butler's season averages:
33.8 minutes
16.1 points
.434 shooting percentage (.250 on threes)
5.3 rebounds
2.5 assists
2.0 turnovers
1.6 steals
Given his defensive weakness (or inconsistency, if you're feeling charitable), calling him "average" may be charitable. |
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eureca Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I dont think Lakers should have kept him well maybe got something better then Kwame, but hes definitely above average average. |
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Bergamotichek Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Good for him. Now learn to keep this crap in the applicable forum. |
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Dorray Star Player
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 3494 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Good thing he saved a game like this playing against the Warriors because I wanted them to lose. |
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