Phil wants a Guard...Why aren't the Laker's going after Francis again?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject:

mporter wrote:
"Wesley would be my top choice for the MLE this offseason."

I too like Wesley, but Matt Harpring will also be a free agent after this season. With his shooting, toughness, and basketball IQ, he'd flourish in the triangle.


That would be a very smart signing. Harpring is as solid as they come. Let's just see what his market value is. Do the Jazz have enough to give him a large contract?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject:

How about a combo of Sasha, Walton, and Wafer and Green for Rush...

They all suck. Mitch sucks. He's done a satisfactory job in a position that SHOULD excell.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject:

Why ask a dumb questions?

A courageous and bold move requires a bold GM. We don't have one.

He has already deceived many fans into thinking that he is a great GM so why risk making a dangerous move that can backfired and make people question him.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject:

He's not even a decent GM. His drafts make no sense at times. He trades away some of our good talent for picks. And, he is off vacationing somewhere while all this mess happens. Instead of working some trades. Isiah is a dumb GM but at least he's not on Vacation when their is a trade deadline looming.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Phil wants a Guard...Why aren't the Laker's going after Francis again?

thumpinghead wrote:
I don't understand it.


Easy -- Franics plays worse on-ball defense than Smush
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject:

angel wrote:
It might just work.


Ahhh, the sweet effects of desperation on the brain

Francis


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject:

Afro wrote:
Do you guys think Phil Jackson could change Steve Francis attitude? If he can, Francis would be fit pretty good. Kobe's Ron Harper.

1. Steve Francis can hit mid-range shots. Triangle-fitting.
2. Kobe couldn't be double-teamed that often with Odom, Francis and Mihm playing.
3. Francis is big (6-3/195), could use his height defensively.
4. Francis would improve our rebounding, imagine Francis - Bryant - Odom would be no.1 in backcourt-rebounding.

Compare Ron Harper playing for the clippers, and Ron Harper playing for Phil Jackson:
LAC 93-94: 20,1ppg, 6,1rpg, 4,6apg, 3,2 TOs, .426 FG%, 17,8 attempts per game
CHI 94-95: 1,3 TOs, 6,4 attempts per game


So we're gonna get a former all star player for garbage? Good luck Mitch to pull that off. Ain't happening. What do we have? George and Slava? Give me a break.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject:

tgf5 wrote:
Afro wrote:
Do you guys think Phil Jackson could change Steve Francis attitude? If he can, Francis would be fit pretty good. Kobe's Ron Harper.

1. Steve Francis can hit mid-range shots. Triangle-fitting.
2. Kobe couldn't be double-teamed that often with Odom, Francis and Mihm playing.
3. Francis is big (6-3/195), could use his height defensively.
4. Francis would improve our rebounding, imagine Francis - Bryant - Odom would be no.1 in backcourt-rebounding.

Compare Ron Harper playing for the clippers, and Ron Harper playing for Phil Jackson:
LAC 93-94: 20,1ppg, 6,1rpg, 4,6apg, 3,2 TOs, .426 FG%, 17,8 attempts per game
CHI 94-95: 1,3 TOs, 6,4 attempts per game


So we're gonna get a former all star player for garbage? Good luck Mitch to pull that off. Ain't happening. What do we have? George and Slava? Give me a break.


Unless of course he's suggesting we move Bynum and/or Kwame.

Contract-wise, Kwame/George might come close on salaries.

Still a from me on Franchise.

But I'll admit with Mihm, Odom, Kobe and Franchise makes us more
competitive pretty quick (I just don't think it's the path to serious
contention/chemistry).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject:

sodapoppenski wrote:
tgf5 wrote:
Afro wrote:
Do you guys think Phil Jackson could change Steve Francis attitude? If he can, Francis would be fit pretty good. Kobe's Ron Harper.

1. Steve Francis can hit mid-range shots. Triangle-fitting.
2. Kobe couldn't be double-teamed that often with Odom, Francis and Mihm playing.
3. Francis is big (6-3/195), could use his height defensively.
4. Francis would improve our rebounding, imagine Francis - Bryant - Odom would be no.1 in backcourt-rebounding.

Compare Ron Harper playing for the clippers, and Ron Harper playing for Phil Jackson:
LAC 93-94: 20,1ppg, 6,1rpg, 4,6apg, 3,2 TOs, .426 FG%, 17,8 attempts per game
CHI 94-95: 1,3 TOs, 6,4 attempts per game


So we're gonna get a former all star player for garbage? Good luck Mitch to pull that off. Ain't happening. What do we have? George and Slava? Give me a break.


Unless of course he's suggesting we move Bynum and/or Kwame.

Contract-wise, Kwame/George might come close on salaries.

Still a from me on Franchise.

But I'll admit with Mihm, Odom, Kobe and Franchise makes us more
competitive pretty quick (I just don't think it's the path to serious
contention/chemistry).


We'd have an awesome backcourt but our frontcourt would still blow then.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject:

tgf5 wrote:
sodapoppenski wrote:
tgf5 wrote:
Afro wrote:
Do you guys think Phil Jackson could change Steve Francis attitude? If he can, Francis would be fit pretty good. Kobe's Ron Harper.

1. Steve Francis can hit mid-range shots. Triangle-fitting.
2. Kobe couldn't be double-teamed that often with Odom, Francis and Mihm playing.
3. Francis is big (6-3/195), could use his height defensively.
4. Francis would improve our rebounding, imagine Francis - Bryant - Odom would be no.1 in backcourt-rebounding.

Compare Ron Harper playing for the clippers, and Ron Harper playing for Phil Jackson:
LAC 93-94: 20,1ppg, 6,1rpg, 4,6apg, 3,2 TOs, .426 FG%, 17,8 attempts per game
CHI 94-95: 1,3 TOs, 6,4 attempts per game


So we're gonna get a former all star player for garbage? Good luck Mitch to pull that off. Ain't happening. What do we have? George and Slava? Give me a break.


Unless of course he's suggesting we move Bynum and/or Kwame.

Contract-wise, Kwame/George might come close on salaries.

Still a from me on Franchise.

But I'll admit with Mihm, Odom, Kobe and Franchise makes us more
competitive pretty quick (I just don't think it's the path to serious
contention/chemistry).


We'd have an awesome backcourt but our frontcourt would still blow then.


Exactly.

Ideally, I'd like to keep Lamar and add a 2nd-option on offense who's a
post player at PF or C. Get a point sometime this offeseason for the
full MLE.

If we move Lamar, I'd like to get a 2nd-option obviously, but if we need
to throw in an extra player and/or pick to make that player a legit post
threat-type (not another guard) - I'd rather do that.

A pairing of Mihm, Bynum and that added player will balance out
very well with the doubles Kobe draws on the perimeter.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject:

if we can get francis without giving them odom then id do it,

kobe will be more effective because he wont have to play as many minutes cause francis can fill that 1st scoring option for a while.

For people crying over the lack forwards and centres after the trade. in the offeason r some very nice veteren big men role players and with the mle they can be very attainable.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:37 am    Post subject:

I think we can't get anyone without give Odom
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:52 am    Post subject:

Just say no to Steve Francis.

Chris Duhon or Earl Watson are attainable. I'm not sure if they are even on the radar of Lakers though.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:20 am    Post subject:

venicebeach wrote:
I think we can't get anyone without give Odom


It's a dillema, because Steve Francis is not worth giving up Odom. It can almost be guaranteed that these "trade Odom threads" will only segue into "how soon can we legally trade Stevie"
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject:

Look at the Baron Davis to Golden State trade: B. Diddy for Craig Claxton and Cap-Release (Dale Davis).

If the Magic really want to ship Francis (and his contract) out of Orlando, a trade with picks and cap-release could be possible. The Hornets just got cap in the Davis-trade.

Devean George + Slava Medvedenko (could be cut directly) + Aaron McKie (plus money for buyout) + 1st Rounder Miami + 2nd Rounder Charlotte. It'd work cap-wise.

If the Magic are desperate to get rid of Francis' contract, this could be possible, if not, forget about.
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