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tgf5
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Laker Lurker wrote: |
Name Team ______Min Pct Ast Stl Blk PPG
Steve Nash PHO__36.8 49.5 11.0 0.9 0.1 19.4
Baron Davis GS ---- 37.5 39.1 9.2 1.8 0.3 18.7
Davis is not Steve Nash but he is the next best thing as far as assists are concerned. He is also as good a scorer and a better defensive player. His FG% is 40% vs 5o% but this is why steve Nash is MVP + his team has a better record. The only big difference between the two is Nash's shooting % probably because he doesn't play defense. Nash also has a better team, a better system, and a better coach |
B.D. is a very talented player.
However, I agree that G.S. should have a better record than the Lakers, based soley on the talent that they have on paper. If people were complaining on why hasn't Kobe/L.O. made the other players better, can you imagine what they are saying about B.D. in the Bay Area?!?! They will probably not even make the playoffs?!?!
In addition - B.D.'s "LARGE AND LONG" contract makes him an extremely risky decision to make (Note: LO was received to match the salary that Shaq had), plus he is a "shoot first/pass later" guard - along the lines of Francis/Marbury. His salary would make it extremely hard to add any more needed pieces because just with LO, B.D. and Kobe - the Lakers would probably be over "The Cap!" (Emplay or D.B. probably has the figures to confirm this) |
GS has Foyle as their starting center. Not much better. Also his contract is as bad as Lamar Odom's. |
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Showtime_Returns
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I would hate to have Baron on my team when we could have a broken down Vlade and Aaron Mckie. I mean who needs a team ready to compete for a championship now? We can wait till the 2015 capspace plan pans out. |
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Socks
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The key is always what you're giving up. We wouldn't have really been giving anything up to get Baron, so risk was minimal. Baron has talent - it doesn't translate to winning, but he does have talent. That means, we coulda pumped up his value and traded him quickly. It'd be a lot easier to make a deal for KG trading Odom and Baron than it would be trading Odom, Slava, and whatever other trash we could... |
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Y cant people jus let go of this supposed deal? Its been a year now, its getting ridiculous, their are many,many talked about deals that never go through, thats the reality of the situation. U cant say what if this and that happend, u move on, so we get davis, we probably dont advance past round 1 still, we dont get bynum, phil jackson might not be here and u cant predict these things..give it up its a year later. |
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Socks
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| lakers0505 wrote: | | Y cant people jus let go of this supposed deal? Its been a year now, its getting ridiculous, their are many,many talked about deals that never go through, thats the reality of the situation. U cant say what if this and that happend, u move on, so we get davis, we probably dont advance past round 1 still, we dont get bynum, phil jackson might not be here and u cant predict these things..give it up its a year later. |
So I guess you're not a fan of looking at the past to learn for the future? I thought this forum was to allow people to talk about just this very sort of thing? It's all harmless conjecture, so just take it easy and let people discuss whatever they want. |
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Showtime_Returns
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| lakers0505 wrote: | | Y cant people jus let go of this supposed deal? Its been a year now, its getting ridiculous, their are many,many talked about deals that never go through, thats the reality of the situation. U cant say what if this and that happend, u move on, so we get davis, we probably dont advance past round 1 still, we dont get bynum, phil jackson might not be here and u cant predict these things..give it up its a year later. |
Because past actions can will tell you what's in store for the future. If management makes dumb trades and fails to act on opportunities back then what gives you hope for the future?
You're nuts if you think we don't get past the 1st round with Davis. Western Conference finals baby! |
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Laker Lurker
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Showtime_Returns wrote: | | lakers0505 wrote: | | Y cant people jus let go of this supposed deal? Its been a year now, its getting ridiculous, their are many,many talked about deals that never go through, thats the reality of the situation. U cant say what if this and that happend, u move on, so we get davis, we probably dont advance past round 1 still, we dont get bynum, phil jackson might not be here and u cant predict these things..give it up its a year later. |
Because past actions can will tell you what's in store for the future. If management makes dumb trades and fails to act on opportunities back then what gives you hope for the future?
You're nuts if you think we don't get past the 1st round with Davis. Western Conference finals baby! |
I was going to say the same thing, screwed up my post and so you beat me to it. Discusions now about Davis- who is gone, like discussions about Artest-who is also gone are not truly about these fellows but in reality are about failures at the front office which led to the sorry state the Lakers are now. Davisand Artest are both gone but Kupchak is still here. - thus this thread is not only proper but relevant. If Davis and Artest are both crap and the Lakers had a chance to either or both of them, then the front office made the right decision. If either Davis or Artest are good as the all stars (or former all stars) they were, then the front office was grossly negligent- a fact of which affects all laker fans. TNT stated just recently that Queen's opponents are scoring 10 point less with Artest than without him.- thats a lot of points in favor of the Queens against their opponents. Similarly, Davis is second only to Nash- last years MVP, in assists and essentially scoring 40% FG% to Nash's 50%- a disadvantage offset by the fact that Davis plays defense and Nash doesn't.
Therefore based on actual stats, Laker Front Office Mistakes have cost the Lakers and their fans, a chance at having not just a conference champion but a title contending team consisting of
PR Baron Davis
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
C Chris Mihm/ Bynum/Kwame
PF Kwame/Cook/Turiaf
This may be as close the Lakers will get to the 6 Bulls chanpionship teams If the Lakers could have had that team which many posters on this and other boards think was possible, the the front office must be held accountable for the really bad team the Lakers are now. These posts of course will not change anything unleass Buss has an "Epihany" or whatever to get someone who knows how to be a GM and get scouting staff with knowlege or talent. There are people who want to stick their heads in the sand or elsewhere and discuss non-disturbing issues, but what is LG good for then. |
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