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| Plain and simple where most members would say...He sucks!!! Hell, even during the game against Portland...THE anounncers were laughing at At Sasha when he tried to drive to the basket he dribbled the ball on his foot out of bounds.....But Phil has no other alternatives....btw it would be good (as another member said) that Sasha develop an inside game...He is 6'7 so he would have 3 to 4 inches on you average guard.....But he is a wussy boy so he might be even worse |
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mm708
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| What people forget Sasha is only 21 years old, most 21 year olds are sophmores or juniors in college. |
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| chazz wrote: | | Plain and simple where most members would say...He sucks!!! Hell, even during the game against Portland...THE anounncers were laughing at At Sasha when he tried to drive to the basket he dribbled the ball on his foot out of bounds.....But Phil has no other alternatives....btw it would be good (as another member said) that Sasha develop an inside game...He is 6'7 so he would have 3 to 4 inches on you average guard.....But he is a wussy boy so he might be even worse |
He can't develop an inside game cause realistically, the triangle doesn't allow that to happen for the guards. Why do you think Gary Payton had trouble with the triangle when his main strength was to post up other PGs? So you're basically expecting a part of the game that the coaching staff doesn't emphasis and you hold it against him? That's ridiculous expectations. For his role and current situation, he has done a decent job. He's a role player and nothing else.
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I agree that Sasha could turn into a good role player some day. Right now he is an OK role player, and so is Smush. That is our biggest problem. Both of these guys deserve to be coming off the bench or playing in the NBDL. I wouldn't mind seeing Phil experiment with a bigger line-up:
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He's 20yrs old and a little thin to be hardcoring under the basket. When you guys make these observations and, statements will you think about what you are saying first? "wussy boy"? Sasha proved early in the season that he is no "wussy boy" on several occassions but, stupid he isn't... How long would he last underneath the hoop battling? You can be tough without being ignorant and, you'll last a lot longer too...
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Well he got better.
He's still not NBA rotation caliber on most teams. He is not going to make it unless that shot becomes more consistent.
I like that last game against the Clippers he came off some screens and curled into the mid-range and shot some open jumpers.
That's his thing. He doesn't shoot from mid-range as much as he should. If he took more shots from there and less from the 3 point line - his confidence would grow as would his percentage.
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| LakeLakeLake wrote: | | hoopschick29 wrote: | | angel wrote: | | We were told when Sasha was drafted, it would be one to two years until he contributes. Peja Stojakovic was 21 when he was a rookie in the NBA, the same age Sasha is this season. Peja did shoot very poorly his first season. In Europe, players seem to have a lot of time to get their shots off relative to the NBA. It took him time to find shots he could get off quickly enough to be effective. Chick Hearn used to say, free throw percentage is a good indicator of how well a player shoots. Sasha is an excellent free throw shooter with a fg% over 90. Sasha hasn't yet been able to convert what he does in practice to game situations on a consistent basis. He should be an excellent field goal shooter eventually. The key is patience. |
The fact that Sasha shoots lights out in practice doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He's a 30% shooter when it counts. And we're not even talking about clutch situations when the pressure is uber-high. We're talking about your basic run-of-the-mill in-game play. These guys have been playing in front of people going back to peewee and youth leagues. And sure, this is the NBA. But he felt he was ready. He was mad that he didn't get PT last year. He panicked when Phil threatened to send him to the D-League this year. And yet, the guy still can't shoot. |
Wth? He makes 33% from behind the arc which is not that bad. His overall fg% is just slightly better because he takes a lot of long 2pt attempts and more than a half of his attempts are from 3pt land.
Give him one more year to develop. He could be a serviceable role player next year. |
Actually that's horrible from a player that only has one strength on offense, shooting. If he had the ability to get to the rim and finish like Deaven then I could live with 33% but as it is he is a perimeter shooter and he's just not good enough.
I swear it seems fans standards have plummeted every since Mitch brought in Pargo. It created a cheering section for young crappy players. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Well he got better.
He's still not NBA rotation caliber on most teams. He is not going to make it unless that shot becomes more consistent.
I like that last game against the Clippers he came off some screens and curled into the mid-range and shot some open jumpers.
That's his thing. He doesn't shoot from mid-range as much as he should. If he took more shots from there and less from the 3 point line - his confidence would grow as would his percentage. |
Amen!!! Every time he did that I was thinking well (bleep), about time! It isn't necessary to only launch heat seekers! Come in and, get some when the opportunity presents itself. Sash did and looked good doing it on a couple of occassions. With the exception of Kobe ofcourse this whole team has so much to learn. I know Jax goes to bed scratching his head sometimes but, I'm glad he seems to stay pretty cool most of the time...
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | He's 20yrs old and a little thin to be hardcoring under the basket. When you guys make these observations and, statements will you think about what you are saying first? "wussy boy"? Sasha proved early in the season that he is no "wussy boy" on several occassions but, stupid he isn't... How long would he last underneath the hoop battling? You can be tough without being ignorant and, you'll last a lot longer too... |
That is such a lame excuse. There are a lot of guys in the NBA as thin and SHORTER than Sasha who seem to find their way to the basket. Stop trying to rationalize his shortcomings. Sasha ain't using his head. He's scared!!
If he was using his head, he'd know that a +90% foul shooter could give his a team a few more points every game if he could get to the line.
If he was using his head, he'd know the best way to get some space on his jump shot is if the defense believes he'll drive to hole every now and then. Fortunately, for him (and unfortunately for us) the defense doesn't believe he'll knock down his jumper either so their not covering him at all.
If he was using his head, he'd know his Laker career isn't going to last very long if he doesn't find a way to contribute on offense when his jumper ain't going down. Just ask Kareem Rush who also suffered from takeitdodahoop-aphobia. |
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Zhengi
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| numero-ocho wrote: | | THE_SHOES wrote: | | He's 20yrs old and a little thin to be hardcoring under the basket. When you guys make these observations and, statements will you think about what you are saying first? "wussy boy"? Sasha proved early in the season that he is no "wussy boy" on several occassions but, stupid he isn't... How long would he last underneath the hoop battling? You can be tough without being ignorant and, you'll last a lot longer too... |
That is such a lame excuse. There are a lot of guys in the NBA as thin and SHORTER than Sasha who seem to find their way to the basket. Stop trying to rationalize his shortcomings. Sasha ain't using his head. He's scared!!
If he was using his head, he'd know that a +90% foul shooter could give his a team a few more points every game if he could get to the line.
If he was using his head, he'd know the best way to get some space on his jump shot is if the defense believes he'll drive to hole every now and then. Fortunately, for him (and unfortunately for us) the defense doesn't believe he'll knock down his jumper either so their not covering him at all.
If he was using his head, he'd know his Laker career isn't going to last very long if he doesn't find a way to contribute on offense when his jumper ain't going down. Just ask Kareem Rush who also suffered from takeitdodahoop-aphobia. |
Hey, we always complain that the refs don't give Kobe enough calls when he drives to the basket. Why should we expect Sasha to get any calls if he drives to the basket as well?
EDIT: Besides, the point of the offense is to provide spacing and making every player an offensive option. That's why we always say that PGs who are ball dominant, ie, like to handle the ball a lot and drive and dish, don't work as well within the triangle. Now this isn't to say that there aren't opportunities to drive by the players, but there is a limit that you want to impose on a role player like Sasha handling the ball too much and driving towards the hoop.
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| Zhengi wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | THE_SHOES wrote: | | He's 20yrs old and a little thin to be hardcoring under the basket. When you guys make these observations and, statements will you think about what you are saying first? "wussy boy"? Sasha proved early in the season that he is no "wussy boy" on several occassions but, stupid he isn't... How long would he last underneath the hoop battling? You can be tough without being ignorant and, you'll last a lot longer too... |
That is such a lame excuse. There are a lot of guys in the NBA as thin and SHORTER than Sasha who seem to find their way to the basket. Stop trying to rationalize his shortcomings. Sasha ain't using his head. He's scared!!
If he was using his head, he'd know that a +90% foul shooter could give his a team a few more points every game if he could get to the line.
If he was using his head, he'd know the best way to get some space on his jump shot is if the defense believes he'll drive to hole every now and then. Fortunately, for him (and unfortunately for us) the defense doesn't believe he'll knock down his jumper either so their not covering him at all.
If he was using his head, he'd know his Laker career isn't going to last very long if he doesn't find a way to contribute on offense when his jumper ain't going down. Just ask Kareem Rush who also suffered from takeitdodahoop-aphobia. |
Hey, we always complain that the refs don't give Kobe enough calls when he drives to the basket. Why should we expect Sasha to get any calls if he drives to the basket as well?
EDIT: Besides, the point of the offense is to provide spacing and making every player an offensive option. That's why we always say that PGs who are ball dominant, ie, like to handle the ball a lot and drive and dish, don't work as well within the triangle. Now this isn't to say that there aren't opportunities to drive by the players, but there is a limit that you want to impose on a role player like Sasha handling the ball too much and driving towards the hoop. |
Kobe forces the refs to make calls by creating contact. You can't do that sitting out beyond the arc where it's safe.
The point of the offense, any offense, is to take advantage of scoring opportunities. Sometimes that means taking a jumpshot and sometimes that means taking the ball to basket if the opportunity present itself, which it has many times for Sasha. He just refuses to take advantage of it because he fears getting his shot blocked.
When the lane to basket opens up and a player doesn't take advantage of it, he's hurting his team because the defenses big men don't have to rotate to cover him. This makes it harder for our big men to get offensive rebounding position.
There's a huge difference between asking someone to be a ball-dominant PG and expecting them to take the ball to the basket when the lane is open. No one is expecting Sasha to become Gilbert Arenas. I just expect him to contribute within the flow of the offense and he's not doing that by refusing to take the ball to the rim when the opportunity is there. |
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| numero-ocho wrote: | | Zhengi wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | THE_SHOES wrote: | | He's 20yrs old and a little thin to be hardcoring under the basket. When you guys make these observations and, statements will you think about what you are saying first? "wussy boy"? Sasha proved early in the season that he is no "wussy boy" on several occassions but, stupid he isn't... How long would he last underneath the hoop battling? You can be tough without being ignorant and, you'll last a lot longer too... |
That is such a lame excuse. There are a lot of guys in the NBA as thin and SHORTER than Sasha who seem to find their way to the basket. Stop trying to rationalize his shortcomings. Sasha ain't using his head. He's scared!!
If he was using his head, he'd know that a +90% foul shooter could give his a team a few more points every game if he could get to the line.
If he was using his head, he'd know the best way to get some space on his jump shot is if the defense believes he'll drive to hole every now and then. Fortunately, for him (and unfortunately for us) the defense doesn't believe he'll knock down his jumper either so their not covering him at all.
If he was using his head, he'd know his Laker career isn't going to last very long if he doesn't find a way to contribute on offense when his jumper ain't going down. Just ask Kareem Rush who also suffered from takeitdodahoop-aphobia. |
Hey, we always complain that the refs don't give Kobe enough calls when he drives to the basket. Why should we expect Sasha to get any calls if he drives to the basket as well?
EDIT: Besides, the point of the offense is to provide spacing and making every player an offensive option. That's why we always say that PGs who are ball dominant, ie, like to handle the ball a lot and drive and dish, don't work as well within the triangle. Now this isn't to say that there aren't opportunities to drive by the players, but there is a limit that you want to impose on a role player like Sasha handling the ball too much and driving towards the hoop. |
Kobe forces the refs to make calls by creating contact. You can't do that sitting out beyond the arc where it's safe.
The point of the offense, any offense, is to take advantage of scoring opportunities. Sometimes that means taking a jumpshot and sometimes that means taking the ball to basket if the opportunity present itself, which it has many times for Sasha. He just refuses to take advantage of it because he fears getting his shot blocked.
When the lane to basket opens up and a player doesn't take advantage of it, he's hurting his team because the defenses big men don't have to rotate to cover him. This makes it harder for our big men to get offensive rebounding position.
There's a huge difference between asking someone to be a ball-dominant PG and expecting them to take the ball to the basket when the lane is open. No one is expecting Sasha to become Gilbert Arenas. I just expect him to contribute within the flow of the offense and he's not doing that by refusing to take the ball to the rim when the opportunity is there. |
So is that all you have complaints about him? He doesn't take it to the basket during those opportunities?
If that is all you have to complain about him, then you're just being a fussy little Barkley and Gloria. Last night he was making midrange jumpers. He was taking advantage of his opportunities then. He was going after offensive rebounds. I count at least 2 for him.
The guy is still learning the triangle offense. Phil says it requires 2 years for a player to fully understand it. So Sasha hasn't quite grasped where his scoring opportunities will come from. However, he has shown competence in running the offense, and that's the major reason why he gets minutes over the more athletic players in Green and Wafer. Everyone one of you Barkley-Gloria types want this kid to be fully ready from the get go. You don't realize it takes time for players to improve. Not everyone is a Lebron James type of player who is ready to play. Give him some more time because he has definitely improved from last year.
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| Zhengi wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | Zhengi wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | THE_SHOES wrote: | | He's 20yrs old and a little thin to be hardcoring under the basket. When you guys make these observations and, statements will you think about what you are saying first? "wussy boy"? Sasha proved early in the season that he is no "wussy boy" on several occassions but, stupid he isn't... How long would he last underneath the hoop battling? You can be tough without being ignorant and, you'll last a lot longer too... |
That is such a lame excuse. There are a lot of guys in the NBA as thin and SHORTER than Sasha who seem to find their way to the basket. Stop trying to rationalize his shortcomings. Sasha ain't using his head. He's scared!!
If he was using his head, he'd know that a +90% foul shooter could give his a team a few more points every game if he could get to the line.
If he was using his head, he'd know the best way to get some space on his jump shot is if the defense believes he'll drive to hole every now and then. Fortunately, for him (and unfortunately for us) the defense doesn't believe he'll knock down his jumper either so their not covering him at all.
If he was using his head, he'd know his Laker career isn't going to last very long if he doesn't find a way to contribute on offense when his jumper ain't going down. Just ask Kareem Rush who also suffered from takeitdodahoop-aphobia. |
Hey, we always complain that the refs don't give Kobe enough calls when he drives to the basket. Why should we expect Sasha to get any calls if he drives to the basket as well?
EDIT: Besides, the point of the offense is to provide spacing and making every player an offensive option. That's why we always say that PGs who are ball dominant, ie, like to handle the ball a lot and drive and dish, don't work as well within the triangle. Now this isn't to say that there aren't opportunities to drive by the players, but there is a limit that you want to impose on a role player like Sasha handling the ball too much and driving towards the hoop. |
Kobe forces the refs to make calls by creating contact. You can't do that sitting out beyond the arc where it's safe.
The point of the offense, any offense, is to take advantage of scoring opportunities. Sometimes that means taking a jumpshot and sometimes that means taking the ball to basket if the opportunity present itself, which it has many times for Sasha. He just refuses to take advantage of it because he fears getting his shot blocked.
When the lane to basket opens up and a player doesn't take advantage of it, he's hurting his team because the defenses big men don't have to rotate to cover him. This makes it harder for our big men to get offensive rebounding position.
There's a huge difference between asking someone to be a ball-dominant PG and expecting them to take the ball to the basket when the lane is open. No one is expecting Sasha to become Gilbert Arenas. I just expect him to contribute within the flow of the offense and he's not doing that by refusing to take the ball to the rim when the opportunity is there. |
So is that all you have complaints about him? He doesn't take it to the basket during those opportunities?
If that is all you have to complain about him, then you're just being a fussy little Barkley and Gloria. Last night he was making midrange jumpers. He was taking advantage of his opportunities then. He was going after offensive rebounds. I count at least 2 for him.
The guy is still learning the triangle offense. Phil says it requires 2 years for a player to fully understand it. So Sasha hasn't quite grasped where his scoring opportunities will come from. However, he has shown competence in running the offense, and that's the major reason why he gets minutes over the more athletic players in Green and Wafer. Everyone one of you Barkley-Gloria types want this kid to be fully ready from the get go. You don't realize it takes time for players to improve. Not everyone is a Lebron James type of player who is ready to play. Give him some more time because he has definitely improved from last year. |
There are a lot of players on this team learning the triangle. Sasha is the only player on the team who has taken more shots from behind the arc than in front of it..
That's not being fussy. That's just not expecting to draw blood from a turnip. |
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| numero-ocho wrote: | There are a lot of players on this team learning the triangle. Sasha is the only player on the team who has taken more shots from behind the arc than in front of it..
That's not being fussy. That's just not expecting to draw blood from a turnip. |
That is his role, to take the outside shot to open the lanes for Kobe and make it easier for him to operate. Everyone on this board has been complaining about not having a shooter on the team. Sasha has shown great promise in becoming a good shooter from outside with his good shooting form. Once he gets comfortable in this offense, he'll be a more valuable assest as an outside shooter than a player going into the lane. Plus, last night he was still shooting from the perimeter, but inside the 3 pt line and draining it. That was promising a sign that people choose to ignore.
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We must get rid of Sasha! He's a very divisive presence on this board. Maybe when he's gone, posters on thid board will unite to cheer the pklayers. How many Sasha threads have this board had? This year alone, Sasha threads' is probably just second in numbers to Odom threads! But then again, when he's gone, negative posters will just find someone else to bash. Ahhh, I love this boards........ I'm behind Sasha btw. I hope he shoots the light outs come All-Star weekend 3 pt shooting contest someday.  
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Sasha is scared to go to the hoop. He doesn't know how to. He doesn't shorten his dribble, protect the ball with his body, elevate towards the basket, focus on the hoop and not the defender, attack the rim or even pretend he wants physical contact.
This is not bashing. This is true. This is why he always has a defender in his face or is forced to really rush his outside shot.
His mid range game is non-existent. Not that is can't be cultivated, but it is not in the arena come game time. Come to speak of it, neither is his long range game most times.
He attempts to play defense. Sometimes he succeeds. I will not deny a man his due.
This guy will gain value when he becomes a great shooter but he is currently extremely soft. He is talented, but soft. For a reference of soft, please see Tim Thomas who we will probably pick up to help us become a better defensive team (sarcasm).
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Please stop the "He's not playing like a first round pick" arguments. he was a LATE first round pick. he wasn't a lottery pick. Guess what, wannabe GM's? The majority of late first rounders NEVER end up playing like first rounders. It's a total crap shoot once you get out of the lottery. You hope that a late first rounder can turn out as a decent role player. You have to be a moron to think that every first rounder should pan out as a star.
I got a lot of crap for saying he could be a Steve Kerr, and okay, that might've been overly idealistic. But Steve Kerr was not a star. I don't think the guy EVER took a contested 3 in his life. He shot nothing but wide open shots. He couldn't defend anybody, was a lousy ballhandler, and couldn't drive to the basket. He shot three's. That was it.
Sasha has a beautiful stroke. Once he gets more comfortable in the Tri and in the NBA game, he could be a high 40's shooter. Especially if no one's guarding him.
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| I also like how LG posters complain that Sasha isn't a great defender or rebounder or can't post up or drive to the basket, like he's supposed to be this complete player. How many guys have complete games in the NBA and how many have them at the age of 20? |
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| LA_Lakers_Rule wrote: | But considering that the guy has shown that he can definitely shoot the ball (especially in practice) and considering his age and improvement over last year I'd say the guy could very easily become an even better player than Steve Kerr as some suggest.
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The world must look great in purple and gold glasses....
I agree that the Lakers shouldn't give up on Sasha, but you should keep your expectations tempered. People throw around Steve Kerr like his career was easy to do. 14 years in the NBA, highest 3pt % in a season, highest 3pt % in NBA history.... And you honestly think that he can be better than Kerr? Really? Because of two years of pratice and his free throw percentage?
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| angel wrote: | | Sasha's free throw percentage is 92.3%, which is higher than Peja's. Sasha is 21, which is the same age Peja was in his rookie year. Other young players also showed their promise first in practice. Jermaine O'Neal was a very good player in practices prior to showing it in games. Sasha is still young. We need to give him time. |
You forgot to list ALL the players that NEVER made it in the NBA after being good in practice but not showing up at game time. I bet there would be a few that could shoot free throws pretty good as well. And now no one remembers their name.... |
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I'd love to revisit this thread say.. 2 yrs from now and get a good laugh out of it, 1 way or the other. 
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