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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: thoughts on grant hill as initiator?

was very impressed by his ball handling and ability to see the floor...looks like a good tri-initiator...not sure about his contract though i heard there is an outside chance the magic buy him out at season's end...thoughts?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject:

I would LOVE to get Grant Hill on this team... the only problem is if Odom and Hill passed to each other, who would shoot?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject:

Grant Hill is definitely a star player on Orlando and definitely a threat to any team, but unfortunately he get's injured a lot which slows his career down.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:17 am    Post subject:

Yes
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject:

For sure, but again, it gets back to point guard defense. If you mean inserting Hill into this current lineup at the 1, who defends opposing PGs?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:19 am    Post subject:

No probs here.

Excellent character guy, which is great for a young team such as ours.

His contract comes off the books in another year - so it doesn't involve
any risk compromising our longer-term goals.

Unless it's at the expense of another big move that would be a part of our
big picture (neglecting a big trade because Hill's contract ate too much
space for that one year) then I'm all about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:20 am    Post subject:

WOULD LOVE IT!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject:

because of his injuries, did not expect him to still be able to move the way he did during the game...not too bad mid range jumper as well...plus, has greeat poise on the floor and seems to have a really good feel for the game...very unselfish as well...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject:

Coca James wrote:
I would LOVE to get Grant Hill on this team... the only problem is if Odom and Hill passed to each other, who would shoot?


Don't worry, Odom will be traded this summer. We then sign Hill to be the point forward.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject:

RYZ wrote:
For sure, but again, it gets back to point guard defense. If you mean inserting Hill into this current lineup at the 1, who defends opposing PGs?


You use Hill to beat the opposing PGs up on the other end and let him use length and team D to converge on penetration the way the Bulls used to do for Harper at the 1.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject:

yes he can be a good initiator.

no, hes not coming here.

not unless mitch gets fired.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject:

i'd imagine we really wouldn't need both odom and hill...at least gives the lakers of shipping off odom without having to compromise having an initiator on the team...don't think it would cost odom to get him if he somehow becomes available...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject:

magic_bryant wrote:
RYZ wrote:
For sure, but again, it gets back to point guard defense. If you mean inserting Hill into this current lineup at the 1, who defends opposing PGs?


You use Hill to beat the opposing PGs up on the other end and let him use length and team D to converge on penetration the way the Bulls used to do for Harper at the 1.


Yikes. The Bulls teammates converging on penetration were Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman - three of the greatest defenders of the all time . It's extraordinarily difficult to play good team defense without at least two very good individual defenders, unless you fully commit to zone and junk defenses, which doesn't figure to happen with the Lakers anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:36 am    Post subject:

RYZ wrote:
magic_bryant wrote:
RYZ wrote:
For sure, but again, it gets back to point guard defense. If you mean inserting Hill into this current lineup at the 1, who defends opposing PGs?


You use Hill to beat the opposing PGs up on the other end and let him use length and team D to converge on penetration the way the Bulls used to do for Harper at the 1.


Yikes. The Bulls teammates converging on penetration were Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman - three of the greatest defenders of the all time . It's extraordinarily difficult to play good team defense without at least two very good individual defenders, unless you fully commit to zone and junk defenses, which doesn't figure to happen with the Lakers anytime soon.


Kobe and DG in with G-Hill using him sparingly would suffice.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject:

Grant Hill, for the right money, would be a superb 6th man initiator off the bench. Having to rely on him, though, at his current age and with his injury history, especially if the Lakers overpay him...wouldn't be prudent. Then again, we are talking about Mitch Kupchak and the Lakers here, a laughable organization since Jerry West left.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:48 am    Post subject:

You have a lot more faith in the Lakers as help defenders than I do. I haven't seen a Kobe and DG tandem adequately disguise the shortcomings of Smush, Sasha, Chucky, Tierre, Fisher, Payton, et. al. The Lakers badly, badly need a PG who can keep his opponent in front of him; they've needed one for 5 years. In any event, I don't suspect George will even return next year.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject:

that's why getting hill might be a good idea...allows the lakers to get a blanket point (banks/james) even if they probably won't have the aptitude to function as initiator...also frees up the lakers to try to trade odom for help in the post...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject:

Having Grant Hill and Ronny Turiaf on the team would be wonders for our team's confidence. It might actually give Kwame Brown some confidence to actually come back from his injuries
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject:

I doubt Hill would ever come to the Lakers. He'll go to an immediate championship contender, if waived. It would make my day to see the Lakers get Hill, especially if he comes on the cheap. But, I'll lay off the pipe, because I just don't see it happening.
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