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PayasoLoco Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Kwame stats? |
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What were sheeds stats with Kwame guarding him? |
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NestT Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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The opposite of when Cook was on him.
With Cook 6 for 7 I think.
With Kwame 1 for 10.
But hey Kwame can't shoot an 18 fot jumper and score nearly 20 when he gets 16 pts. Ergo he must suck. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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They are both one way players.
The decision Phil has to make is to judge when to play Cook and when to use Kwame more.
Matchups are critical. |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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If you merged Kwame and Cook we'd have an All Star PF on our hands. |
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venicebeach Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame's defence is not so bad |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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venicebeach wrote: | Kwame's defence is not so bad |
His post defense, man-to-man is excellent.
It's always been more a question of...
1.) His terrible rotation-defense on most nights (pick-n-rolls included)
2.) Being a black-hole on offense via dropped passes and turning around
too quick for his shot in the post - plus his 54% FTs.
3.) Lost rebound opportunities because of those same buttery hands.
But yes, his individual post-defense is excellent.
Which makes him worth putting in for the right situations and vs. the right
lineups.
Does it justify $8M a year?
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ishi331 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Kwame's Defense, with Cookie's jumpshot, oh boy. Look out!
Kwian Brook. |
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osj Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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kwame's D + cookie's scoring = rasheed wallace (on most nights)? |
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angel Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Kwame had 12 rebounds. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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DocK36 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | venicebeach wrote: | Kwame's defence is not so bad |
His post defense, man-to-man is excellent.
It's always been more a question of...
1.) His terrible rotation-defense on most nights (pick-n-rolls included)
2.) Being a black-hole on offense via dropped passes and turning around
too quick for his shot in the post - plus his 54% FTs.
3.) Lost rebound opportunities because of those same buttery hands.
But yes, his individual post-defense is excellent.
Which makes him worth putting in for the right situations and vs. the right
lineups.
Does it justify $8M a year?
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Kwame is a very good one on one defender. If you try to isolate and take him on one on one you fall right into our hands. He's got good quickness for a guy his size and the guy is build like a Greek God, he can bang and muscle with the best of them. However, if you make him move and rotate and anticipate, and switch, he's not nearly as effective. _________________ Ringo "You retired too?"
Doc "Not me, I'm in my prime." |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Can the Lakers just call timeouts between changes of possession and switch out Kwame and Cook? |
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ishi331 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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osj wrote: | kwame's D + cookie's scoring = rasheed wallace (on most nights)? |
Without the ugly face and supply of techs. |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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ishi331 wrote: | Kwame's Defense, with Cookie's jumpshot, oh boy. Look out!
Kwian Brook. |
Krian Crown _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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NestT Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | venicebeach wrote: | Kwame's defence is not so bad |
His post defense, man-to-man is excellent.
It's always been more a question of...
1.) His terrible rotation-defense on most nights (pick-n-rolls included)
2.) Being a black-hole on offense via dropped passes and turning around
too quick for his shot in the post - plus his 54% FTs.
3.) Lost rebound opportunities because of those same buttery hands.
But yes, his individual post-defense is excellent.
Which makes him worth putting in for the right situations and vs. the right
lineups.
Does it justify $8M a year?
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That defense is absolutely critical against any team with a significant low post theat at the 4 or 5 spot.
Miami,San Antonio,Clippers, Suns (with Amare), Utah(with Boozer),Houston,Denver(with Nene),Minny,Detroit etc etc.
We would win about 10% of those games without Kwame this year.
Only when Kobe is red hot.
Now we have a 50/50 shot because our defense does not collapse on every trip down the defensive end of the floor becuase we have to double the post and rotate like mad to make up for it.
That is worth $8M per year because we also have a 7' 270 lbs 8% body fat big that is an athletic freak who is still 23 years old and can get way better.
Most big men don't hit their stride until 25-28 years old.
Kwame is defintley worth his contract. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Kwame can play at a Ben Wallace level. It just matters if his mind is in the game. He and Cook are like yin and yang in everything. Cook's got the shooting touch, mental instincts and awareness, and bad defense due to lack of size and skill. Kwame has no shooting touch, no mental instincts and awareness, but good defense (when he's awake) due to size and skill. Too bad we can't merge the two together to form a PF that would have TD, KG, and all the other PF's quaking. |
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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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NestT wrote: | sodapoppenski wrote: | venicebeach wrote: | Kwame's defence is not so bad |
His post defense, man-to-man is excellent.
It's always been more a question of...
1.) His terrible rotation-defense on most nights (pick-n-rolls included)
2.) Being a black-hole on offense via dropped passes and turning around
too quick for his shot in the post - plus his 54% FTs.
3.) Lost rebound opportunities because of those same buttery hands.
But yes, his individual post-defense is excellent.
Which makes him worth putting in for the right situations and vs. the right
lineups.
Does it justify $8M a year?
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That defense is absolutely critical against any team with a significant low post theat at the 4 or 5 spot.
Miami,San Antonio,Clippers, Suns (with Amare), Utah(with Boozer),Houston,Denver(with Nene),Minny,Detroit etc etc.
We would win about 10% of those games without Kwame this year.
Only when Kobe is red hot.
Now we have a 50/50 shot because our defense does not collapse on every trip down the defensive end of the floor becuase we have to double the post and rotate like mad to make up for it.
That is worth $8M per year because we also have a 7' 270 lbs 8% body fat big that is an athletic freak who is still 23 years old and can get way better.
Most big men don't hit their stride until 25-28 years old.
Kwame is defintley worth his contract. |
I don't find it ironic or surprising that after PJ pointed out to Kwame that he wants him to play like Ben Wallace,
KWAME GOES OUT AND GETS 12 BOARDS AGAINST THE PISTONS!!
I pray and hope to God that Kwame finally understands the importance of playing that kind of role for the Lakers!!!!!!! _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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NestT wrote: | sodapoppenski wrote: | venicebeach wrote: | Kwame's defence is not so bad |
His post defense, man-to-man is excellent.
It's always been more a question of...
1.) His terrible rotation-defense on most nights (pick-n-rolls included)
2.) Being a black-hole on offense via dropped passes and turning around
too quick for his shot in the post - plus his 54% FTs.
3.) Lost rebound opportunities because of those same buttery hands.
But yes, his individual post-defense is excellent.
Which makes him worth putting in for the right situations and vs. the right
lineups.
Does it justify $8M a year?
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That defense is absolutely critical against any team with a significant low post theat at the 4 or 5 spot.
Miami,San Antonio,Clippers, Suns (with Amare), Utah(with Boozer),Houston,Denver(with Nene),Minny,Detroit etc etc.
We would win about 10% of those games without Kwame this year.
Only when Kobe is red hot.
Now we have a 50/50 shot because our defense does not collapse on every trip down the defensive end of the floor becuase we have to double the post and rotate like mad to make up for it.
That is worth $8M per year because we also have a 7' 270 lbs 8% body fat big that is an athletic freak who is still 23 years old and can get way better.
Most big men don't hit their stride until 25-28 years old.
Kwame is defintley worth his contract. |
I don't find it ironic or surprising that after PJ pointed out to Kwame that he wants him to play like Ben Wallace,
KWAME GOES OUT AND GETS 12 BOARDS AGAINST THE PISTONS!!
I pray and hope to God that Kwame finally understands the importance of playing that kind of role so that he can continue and play that role for the Lakers!!!!!!! _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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KB8LJ23 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Kwame is a great defender. He's sometimes underrated in that dept. But, if he can get us 10 points or 8 points plus play good defense and rebound this team might go far. |
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kups Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Like Phil said earlier in the season, Kwame's play will be 1 of the factors that will determine if we'll be good or very good this season. _________________ #2 Lonzo
#28 Derrick White, Jordan Bell, Deonte Burton |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: |
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NestT wrote: | sodapoppenski wrote: | venicebeach wrote: | Kwame's defence is not so bad |
His post defense, man-to-man is excellent.
It's always been more a question of...
1.) His terrible rotation-defense on most nights (pick-n-rolls included)
2.) Being a black-hole on offense via dropped passes and turning around
too quick for his shot in the post - plus his 54% FTs.
3.) Lost rebound opportunities because of those same buttery hands.
But yes, his individual post-defense is excellent.
Which makes him worth putting in for the right situations and vs. the right
lineups.
Does it justify $8M a year?
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That defense is absolutely critical against any team with a significant low post theat at the 4 or 5 spot.
Miami,San Antonio,Clippers, Suns (with Amare), Utah(with Boozer),Houston,Denver(with Nene),Minny,Detroit etc etc.
We would win about 10% of those games without Kwame this year.
Only when Kobe is red hot.
Now we have a 50/50 shot because our defense does not collapse on every trip down the defensive end of the floor becuase we have to double the post and rotate like mad to make up for it.
That is worth $8M per year because we also have a 7' 270 lbs 8% body fat big that is an athletic freak who is still 23 years old and can get way better.
Most big men don't hit their stride until 25-28 years old.
Kwame is defintley worth his contract. |
So we have a 50-50 chance in any game against the Spurs, Pistons, Heat
and Suns by your logic?
Kwame played a great game tonight.
So did Lamar.
Apparently you stole LO's stash.
Thanks chum |
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