Anyone catch Bill Walton's MVP conversation on the game of the week?

angel · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject:

Kobe should finally get credit for his performance.
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straylight · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject:

MVP is not about the record of the team on which the candidate plays.

MVP is not about the record of the team if the candidate did not play for them (or if you substituted an average player for the candidate).

MVP is about the difference between the two. Since it requires imagining what would happen if the player wasn't there it is certainly a very subjective award.

IMO Billups is a ridiculous suggestion for MVP. that team would lose more games if he wasn't there, but only maybe 10-15 more. I think you have to consider nash, Nowitzki, chris paul, Lebron James, Elton Brand. But Kobe is really at the very top of that list.

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Walton and Musberger were really just being on both sides of issues throughout the game so there could be discussions. I don't see much what with what Walton said.

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Walton LOVES Kobe. He was just taking sides, because Mussberger mentioned Kobe.
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Why would any of you even take anything Bill Walton said serious? He actually has be laughing at times when he has those sarcastic comments.

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Luke · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject:

Without Kobe, this team could have been the worst team in history, with less than 10 games won.

That's why Kobe could become the first MVP in a team without a great team record.

If Kobe isn't too tired , and has enough gas in the tank for a strong finish, helping the team reach the playoffs, he could get a lot of votes and maybe surprise a lot of people...

tw-lakbfan · Franchise Player Joined: 29 Jun 2001 Posts: 16636

MVP definition nowadays is manipulated/twisted constantly by media hacks to give credits to their flavor(s) of the season. Not meaninful anymore.

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Boy the NBA really hates Allen Iverson. He and Kobe is at the top of the MVP List, but of course most say Nash because of assists? Gilbert Arenas and Lebron James are more of an MVP than Nash IMO.

1hu2ren3dui4 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:34 am Post subject:

how kobe isn't a frontrunner for MVP given where some of the crappier teams with top notch superstars are is beyond me, considering the number of victories he has single-handedly willed.

i can't think of a worse 3-12 in the league. 2-12 for that matter.
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Most Valuable Player: Tony Parker, Spurs. He's the best player on his team with Tim Duncan operating below 100 percent all season with a foot injury, and the prediction here is he'll lead San Antonio to the league's best record when all is said and done. Runners-up: Steve Nash, Suns; Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs.

Just to throw water on tonights game - Sheridan's choice of MVP which is actually not a bad one as right now my candidates include in this order:

1) Kobe - plausibly doing the most with the least around him (although many days lately I wonder if Odom > than Webber all around)
2) Brand - raised his game and his team although Casell has a lot to do with that too.
3) Nash - also raised his game even over last years, but Marion is also significant contributor
4) Parker - significantly raised his game leading to at least 10 wins on his efforts alone for the Spurs and controling many games with his tempo - still fact he has even an injured Duncan on his team makes his job easier.
5) AI - quietly doing almost as much as Kobe and last week has been amazing including a 47 and 12 assist game.

Others considered: Dirk, Billups (although I think case can be made that R. Wallace even more valuable this year for his defense), Marion (late season run at it); and James (until their latest fade by the Cavs)

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Odom brings more overall than Webber, but AI doesn't just have C-Webb. He has Webber, Iggy, Korver, Dalambert. That are 4 players that bring completely different skills and abilities to the table.

That team should be a 50 win team in the East. But because Iverson is so ball dominant, that team will always underachieve.

Iverson's ball dominant ways have cost him a spot on the Olympic team. He needs to change his game like Kobe did this past season and become more of an off the ball player.