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raffi
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 Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: What Kind of Production Do We Need to Become Good/Great Team With the Current Roster? |
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Other than just points, I like to look at other intangibles when assessing a player's contribution to the team (rebounds, assists, steals). Each of these categories counts as points, along with actual baskets (for example, 15 points + 6 rebounds + 3 assists + 1 steal = 25). In order to become a good/consistent/ dangerous team, I think we need to have the following contributions every night:
Starters
Kobe (35 to 40) - he'll get this in his sleep.
Lamar (25 to 30) - he's the key (must reach 25 every night)
Smush (18 to 22) - (10 pts, 6 assists, 2 steals)
Cook (15 to 20) - (10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists)
Mihm (18 to 22) - (12 pts, 6 rebounds, 2 assists)
Bench
Kwame (8 to 13) - (4 pts, 6 rebounds)
George (10 to 15) - (7 pts, 3 rebounds, 2 assists)
Sasha (5 to 10) - (4 points, 2 assists)
Walton (5 to 10) - (3 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist)
Jackson (8 to 12) - (6 points, 2 rebounds)
Turiaf (3 to 7) - (2 points, 2 rebounds)
Bynum (???) - not sure how much playing time he's going to get down the stretch.
Any thoughts??? |
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Philostrator
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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From Top to be the most important:
Lamar Odom has to play like he did with the Pistons showing a determination to win.
Smush Parker needs to play consistently.
Kwame Brown has to improve his game offensively. |
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lakers2626
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: What Kind of Production Do We Need to Become Good/Great Team With the Current Roster? |
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| raffi wrote: | Other than just points, I like to look at other intangibles when assessing a player's contribution to the team (rebounds, assists, steals). Each of these categories counts as points, along with actual baskets (for example, 15 points + 6 rebounds + 3 assists + 1 steal = 25). In order to become a good/consistent/ dangerous team, I think we need to have the following contributions every night:
Starters
Kobe (35 to 40) - he'll get this in his sleep.
Lamar (25 to 30) - he's the key (must reach 25 every night)
Smush (18 to 22) - (10 pts, 6 assists, 2 steals)
Cook (15 to 20) - (10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists)
Mihm (18 to 22) - (12 pts, 6 rebounds, 2 assists)
Bench
Kwame (8 to 13) - (4 pts, 6 rebounds)
George (10 to 15) - (7 pts, 3 rebounds, 2 assists)
Sasha (5 to 10) - (4 points, 2 assists)
Walton (5 to 10) - (3 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist)
Jackson (8 to 12) - (6 points, 2 rebounds)
Turiaf (3 to 7) - (2 points, 2 rebounds)
Bynum (???) - not sure how much playing time he's going to get down the stretch.
Any thoughts??? |
In that point system you would also have to consider turnovers as a (-) because that also factors in a game.
Also to be a great team you don't really look at stats that much, there important to us right now because we are 2 games above .500. If we were one of the top 4 teams in the league I think stats would be something we don't really care about just becasue the important stat is wins and losses.
You would have to calculate hustle points something you really can't do unless you watch everygame because hustle points are considered (getting loose balls, getting back on D, setting up picks to open people up, rotation on D. etc). |
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Panthas
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, If Kobe keeps playing the way he plays and Kwame becomes a force...we could easily become a dominate team.
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raffi
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: What Kind of Production Do We Need to Become Good/Great Team With the Current Roster? |
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| lakers2626 wrote: | | raffi wrote: | Other than just points, I like to look at other intangibles when assessing a player's contribution to the team (rebounds, assists, steals). Each of these categories counts as points, along with actual baskets (for example, 15 points + 6 rebounds + 3 assists + 1 steal = 25). In order to become a good/consistent/ dangerous team, I think we need to have the following contributions every night:
Starters
Kobe (35 to 40) - he'll get this in his sleep.
Lamar (25 to 30) - he's the key (must reach 25 every night)
Smush (18 to 22) - (10 pts, 6 assists, 2 steals)
Cook (15 to 20) - (10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists)
Mihm (18 to 22) - (12 pts, 6 rebounds, 2 assists)
Bench
Kwame (8 to 13) - (4 pts, 6 rebounds)
George (10 to 15) - (7 pts, 3 rebounds, 2 assists)
Sasha (5 to 10) - (4 points, 2 assists)
Walton (5 to 10) - (3 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist)
Jackson (8 to 12) - (6 points, 2 rebounds)
Turiaf (3 to 7) - (2 points, 2 rebounds)
Bynum (???) - not sure how much playing time he's going to get down the stretch.
Any thoughts??? |
In that point system you would also have to consider turnovers as a (-) because that also factors in a game.
Also to be a great team you don't really look at stats that much, there important to us right now because we are 2 games above .500. If we were one of the top 4 teams in the league I think stats would be something we don't really care about just becasue the important stat is wins and losses.
You would have to calculate hustle points something you really can't do unless you watch everygame because hustle points are considered (getting loose balls, getting back on D, setting up picks to open people up, rotation on D. etc). |
I agree with your comment re turnovers - I was trying to not make it too complicated, but a turnover should result in a reduction. Similarly, a blocked shot could also be a positive. |
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bounty
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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We cant Unless Bynum turns into "that guy". this current roster isnt built to support our franchise player.
Bynum
Mihm
Turiaf
are the only true compliments to the system with Cook and DG right there.
There is a reason our GM feels the need to make a BLOCKBUSTER move, whether summer or 2007.
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raffi
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| bounty wrote: | We cant Unless Bynum turns into "that guy". this current roster isnt built to support our franchise player.
Bynum
Mihm
Turiaf
are the only true compliments to the system with Cook and DG right there.
There is a reason our GM feels the need to make a BLOCKBUSTER move, whether summer or 2007. |
I don't disagree with your main point - I was trying to illustrate what level of production we would need from the current roster to reach its full potential. |
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bounty
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| raffi wrote: | | bounty wrote: | We cant Unless Bynum turns into "that guy". this current roster isnt built to support our franchise player.
Bynum
Mihm
Turiaf
are the only true compliments to the system with Cook and DG right there.
There is a reason our GM feels the need to make a BLOCKBUSTER move, whether summer or 2007. |
I don't disagree with your main point - I was trying to illustrate what level of production we would need from the current roster to reach its full potential. |
I think we saw against the pists and Sac games. If Kobe, LO, Kwame and MIHM do what they SHOULD DO we could and have beat anyone.
Kobe=what he does
LO=22-25/8/6
Kwame=10-15rbs
mihm=10-15pts/6-10rbs
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: What Kind of Production Do We Need to Become Good/Great Team With the Current Roster? |
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| raffi wrote: | Other than just points, I like to look at other intangibles when assessing a player's contribution to the team (rebounds, assists, steals). Each of these categories counts as points, along with actual baskets (for example, 15 points + 6 rebounds + 3 assists + 1 steal = 25). In order to become a good/consistent/ dangerous team, I think we need to have the following contributions every night:
Starters
Kobe (35 to 40) - he'll get this in his sleep.
Lamar (25 to 30) - he's the key (must reach 25 every night)
Smush (18 to 22) - (10 pts, 6 assists, 2 steals)
Cook (15 to 20) - (10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists)
Mihm (18 to 22) - (12 pts, 6 rebounds, 2 assists)
Bench
Kwame (8 to 13) - (4 pts, 6 rebounds)
George (10 to 15) - (7 pts, 3 rebounds, 2 assists)
Sasha (5 to 10) - (4 points, 2 assists)
Walton (5 to 10) - (3 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist)
Jackson (8 to 12) - (6 points, 2 rebounds)
Turiaf (3 to 7) - (2 points, 2 rebounds)
Bynum (???) - not sure how much playing time he's going to get down the stretch.
Any thoughts??? |
1.) Stats aren't nearly this important
2.) I love analyzing them anyways, so props for the effort 
3.) I think your system is far too simple.
It doesn't take into account defense well enough (admittedly hard to do
with statistics anyways since steals and blocks can be a sign of good
defense as easily as they can of gambling out of position)... Furthermore
rebounds aren't equally valuable to a point, nor is an assist equally value
to each of those two.
I like the idea to compute some stats for the fun of lookin' at things that
way, I've done it plenty of times on other things - but this is just way too
simple a system, IMO. |
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re4ee
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Approaching a box score like this, night in and night out would do just fine... |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Turn Kwame into a 15 and 12 definsive pf and the team WITH lAMAR ODOM needS to be waay more consistent.And I dont think we can contend with Smush as our pg but some way add Chris Duhon in the off-season and the team CAN stay consistent injury-free WOULD GO VERY FAR............. next season
PTS REB AST MINS
Chris Mimh 10.8 7.5 1.3 28
kWAME 15.1 12.6 1.8 36
Lamar Odom 17.6 8.4 5.8 37
KObe 27.3 5.4 5.0 38
Chris Duhon 10.4 3.8 5.5 30
Bench
Andrew 7.8 5.2 .8 22
Devean 6.1 3.8 1.4 22
Smush 8.4 3.2 3.5 27
One of the best 8 man rotations in the NBA
This all depends on how Kwame improves in the off-season and how consisten Lamar can be |
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