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sodapoppenski
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Yeah but you've also gotta recognize when something is characteristicly a
part of a certain player.
I think Kwame could learn to get out on PnRs and rotations on defense.
He's already an excellent one-on-one post defender.
His offense on the other hand, I just don't think will come around.
This season...
Day 1: "Awww, Kwame, MJ hurt your ego. Did he bruise it? Did he give
it a bruisy woozy? That mean ole MJ! You deserve better. Here, come
sit on Phil's lap... that's right... have a corn muffin... don't forget to wipe
your hands before you go onto the court"
But at some point, the "my ego was hurt" crap only goes so far.
As of a week or two ago, I'm fully into "shut the hell up and play" mode
with him.
I'm tired of excuses and he needs to make HIMSELF tired of excuses.
There's no reason in hell the man can't catch a damned basketball outside
of something in his own head. |
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Aussiesuede
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | Yeah but you've also gotta recognize when something is characteristicly a
part of a certain player.
I think Kwame could learn to get out on PnRs and rotations on defense.
He's already an excellent one-on-one post defender.
His offense on the other hand, I just don't think will come around.
This season...
Day 1: "Awww, Kwame, MJ hurt your ego. Did he bruise it? Did he give
it a bruisy woozy? That mean ole MJ! You deserve better. Here, come
sit on Phil's lap... that's right... have a corn muffin... don't forget to wipe
your hands before you go onto the court"
But at some point, the "my ego was hurt" crap only goes so far.
As of a week or two ago, I'm fully into "shut the hell up and play" mode
with him.
I'm tired of excuses and he needs to make HIMSELF tired of excuses.
There's no reason in hell the man can't catch a damned basketball outside
of something in his own head. |
Has Kwame really been making excuses? I can't seem to find any reports of his making these excuses this year. I've read plenty of commentary from fans, but I've read nothing alluding to Kwame making these excuses. Any links? Or even just point me in the potential direction of sources??
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Actually that's a fair point Aussie.
I didn't mean to imply that Kwame himself has overtly made excuses.
But people are always making them for him, and just as a matter of my
own opinion (having lived in D.C. roughly his entire career with the Wiz
before moving to Tucson 2 years ago), I think he allows those excuses
being made for him to soften his obligations.
More than anything he just doesn't have the mindset in my opinion to
really work on his game.
I don't want to mislead here, I'm not saying he has a terrible work ethic -
he just doesn't have a great one either.
There is, again, no reason that he can't have learned to catch a darned
basketball by now.
Small hands only go so far towards making you drop balls. He fumbles
way, way too many balls for even a high-school player with small hands,
and he's done so his entire career. |
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Aussiesuede
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | Actually that's a fair point Aussie.
I didn't mean to imply that Kwame himself has overtly made excuses.
But people are always making them for him, and just as a matter of my
own opinion (having lived in D.C. roughly his entire career with the Wiz
before moving to Tucson 2 years ago), I think he allows those excuses
being made for him to soften his obligations.
More than anything he just doesn't have the mindset in my opinion to
really work on his game.
I don't want to mislead here, I'm not saying he has a terrible work ethic -
he just doesn't have a great one either.
There is, again, no reason that he can't have learned to catch a darned
basketball by now.
Small hands only go so far towards making you drop balls. He fumbles
way, way too many balls for even a high-school player with small hands,
and he's done so his entire career. |
I definitely agree that he does not have the mindset to work on his game on his own. One of the true saving gracces of having a guy like turiaf come on board is that he's approached Kwame with a supportive directness that is obviosly resonating with Kwame. Turiaf has basically seemed to take the stance of "I'm here for you brother and I'm not going anywhere without you. It'll be no fun for me to succeed unless you succeed with me." This type of positive message is in stark contrast to all the ways othere have tried to get through to Kwame and I think it's definitely the right tact. But you are definitely correct; Kwame does not have the mindset to work on his game on his own. He needs someone like a Turiaf who is willing to join in his success and failures.
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sleepin4matty
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| LakersGirl4Life wrote: | Here is the difference between Chris and Kwame... We were not paying Chris 7.5 million dollars. No one knew what to expect from Chris. he wasn't supposed to be a starter... Kwame was brought in with expectations that he has been unable to fulfil. For the kind of money he is being paid, I expected more out of him.
Chris was not very good last season and has shown HUGE improvements over the off-season. And they brought in the best to coach all the big men. so why hasn't Kwame sought that help? |
Wrong wrong wrong. As fans we had the wrong expectations for Kwame. We expected Phil would use Kwame as an offensive weapon when in reality that is the last thing on Phil's mind. Kwame COULD be an offensive weapon if he were given consistent touches night in and night out but Phil wants him to be a defensive monster ala Rodman to stop the opposing big man and get boards. When looking at Kwame as that with those expectations he has been exactly that. He stops the opposing big man and gets boards all night long (See game against Detroit, Kwame Rebs. 12, Big Ben Rebs. 6. He also came in when Cook was getting raped by 'Sheed and stopped him). So our expectations were wrong not Kwame. |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong wrong wrong to YOU!
Yes some of us (not me thank you) thought Kwame would be an offensive
weapon...
...but you're saying he could be an offensive weapon if he just got the
touches? Sorry bro, you haven't watched enough of the guy.
If Kwame were a "weapon," he'd jam all the damned time.
Brown needs to board and play defense. Forget the rest, cuz it ain't there. |
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sleepin4matty
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | Wrong wrong wrong to YOU!
Yes some of us (not me thank you) thought Kwame would be an offensive
weapon...
...but you're saying he could be an offensive weapon if he just got the
touches? Sorry bro, you haven't watched enough of the guy.
If Kwame were a "weapon," he'd jam all the damned time.
Brown needs to board and play defense. Forget the rest, cuz it ain't there. |
Actually I have watched all of the games this season. He has what Stu calls the million dollar move with a two cent shot. He has all the tools but he just can't finish. How can someone finish well without knowing hes going to get the ball consistently? He can practice layups all he wants but without actual touches and layups in game he won't be able to finish well. Dunking is obviously not in Kwame's game...yet. When he first came into the league he looked a lot like Lamar, tall skinny lanky and with a smooth game. He didn't have the power game like Shaq. He lacks confidence is all. |
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TLT
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersGirl4Life wrote: | Here is the difference between Chris and Kwame... We were not paying Chris 7.5 million dollars. No one knew what to expect from Chris. he wasn't supposed to be a starter... Kwame was brought in with expectations that he has been unable to fulfil. For the kind of money he is being paid, I expected more out of him.
Chris was not very good last season and has shown HUGE improvements over the off-season. And they brought in the best to coach all the big men. so why hasn't Kwame sought that help? |
Kwame needs to be aggressive and want to be better than anyone else his size. I don't know if you can teach the will to win. I want to scream at him when he doesn't jump to get a rebound that doesn't hit him exactly on the head. No one had to teach Kobe or or any other good player the will to win.... |
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TLT
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| pjiddy wrote: | | This is yet another bad comparison. Mihm is not a top-shelf athlete like Kwame and Mihm would give us good production when he wasn't in foul trouble. What's Kwame's excuse? |
Lack of "will to win"....You see it all the time in boxing where one fighter has much better ability but the other fighter wins by willing it so by whatever means. It's just a mental thing. Great ones have it in abundance. Poor players just have"potential" forever. |
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TLT
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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He lacks confidence is all.[/quote]
There lies all his problems. Can confidence be taught? I don't know..I guess we'll see |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| sleepin4matty wrote: | | sodapoppenski wrote: | Wrong wrong wrong to YOU!
Yes some of us (not me thank you) thought Kwame would be an offensive
weapon...
...but you're saying he could be an offensive weapon if he just got the
touches? Sorry bro, you haven't watched enough of the guy.
If Kwame were a "weapon," he'd jam all the damned time.
Brown needs to board and play defense. Forget the rest, cuz it ain't there. |
Actually I have watched all of the games this season. He has what Stu calls the million dollar move with a two cent shot. He has all the tools but he just can't finish. How can someone finish well without knowing hes going to get the ball consistently? He can practice layups all he wants but without actual touches and layups in game he won't be able to finish well. Dunking is obviously not in Kwame's game...yet. When he first came into the league he looked a lot like Lamar, tall skinny lanky and with a smooth game. He didn't have the power game like Shaq. He lacks confidence is all. |
Finishing is a tool, tool. |
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thumpinghead
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame is like Mihm in that they play C, the same position in the triangle. Other then that they have different games:
Mihm is a shot blocker
Kwame can block shots but likes to use his body in more of a position-type defender.
Mihm likes to shoot the hook, right or left, or shoot the face up jumper
Kwame also likes the hook but again likes to do spin moves to get to the basket and is not comfortable shooting the face up jumper .
Kwame can be a better rebounder because he is quicker then Mihm.
Kwame can be very effective in the trinagle bc of his speed and athleticism being able to grab rebounds and finish plays and defend. But he has been VERY inconsistent while Mihm was SOMEWHAT inconsistent
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