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LAkers 4 Life Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Jim Jackson didn't play because of the stellar defensive job Puke Walton did, holding his opponent to only 3-point shots... except they were still wide open three-point shots. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Just to piss you off. |
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lakers2626 Star Player
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1948
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Because this isn't just a pick up game. In the NBA they run plays and when they run plays it's a good idea to know what the plays are. |
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LakersSpirit Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 13619 Location: West Los Angeles
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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osj wrote: | i find it amazing that people actually think that it would've been better to use a player who has had ONE shootaround with the team, as opposed to players who at least have some familiarity with one another.
not to mention that jackson has hardly played this year. just because he's continued practising with the suns doesn't mean that he is anywhere near game shape... |
Jackson is a consummate journeyman/mercenary... He's been here before... A player, like Jim Jackson, is like a "hired-gun", in the Wild West,...always ready to provide his shooting skills, to the highest bidder. _________________ "Teamwork is a nebulous thing. It is as ephemeral as love, disappearing at the latest insult.".... Phil Jackson |
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thumpinghead Star Player
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 5657
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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i hate luke walton as a basketball player...no matter how hard he tries he fails and is pathetic defensively offensively whenever in the game he sucks he sucks he sucks
with jackson theres no reason to play puke at all and i hope that was the last time i watch him because jackson should take his minutes soon i hope and pray
rotation:
mihm/brown/turiaf
cook/odom/brown
odom/george/jackson
kobe/jackson/sasha
smush/sasha/odom _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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thumpinghead Star Player
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 5657
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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jackson played luke to show jackson what he wanted to do in the triangle perhaps? i think it had more to do with jackson being a doosh bag, but whatever the case, lakers are getting better and jackson can only help to make their rotation even better
mihm/kwame
cook/odom
odom/george/jackson
kobe/jackson
smush/sasha/jackson
come one pj dont be wuss! _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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LAKERLVR Starting Rotation
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 920
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | Just to piss you off. |
That's probably the reason he's looking for. Just give it to him. |
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DaggerInTheHeart Star Player
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1459 Location: Sunshine State
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Does it seem like, Phil has his ways to piss people off? people expected Jackson to play against the Spurs even Shaw said he should suit up and play then he leaves him on the bench and he leaves Sasha and Puke on the floor.
Phil is a turd i'm tired of his rotations... |
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bambam Star Player
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 9013
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Gr8testEver wrote: | Sasha was used to match footspeed of NVE or Tony Longoria |
footspeed? |
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LakeLakeLake Starting Rotation
Joined: 16 Feb 2002 Posts: 696
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Some of you have no clue what they're talking about.
This ain't streetball or NBAlive 2006! The guy should at least practice with the team before he gets any minutes. If not, he would be absolutely lost out there (especially on defense). |
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LakersSpirit Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 13619 Location: West Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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bambam wrote: | Gr8testEver wrote: | Sasha was used to match footspeed of NVE or Tony Longoria |
footspeed? |
Sasha's pretty fast, but he just doesn't always know how to use it, on defense... Like most Lakers, he does more reaching in, than fronting, drawing the charge, or establishing position. _________________ "Teamwork is a nebulous thing. It is as ephemeral as love, disappearing at the latest insult.".... Phil Jackson |
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osj Star Player
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 2819 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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LakersSpirit wrote: | osj wrote: | i find it amazing that people actually think that it would've been better to use a player who has had ONE shootaround with the team, as opposed to players who at least have some familiarity with one another.
not to mention that jackson has hardly played this year. just because he's continued practising with the suns doesn't mean that he is anywhere near game shape... |
Jackson is a consummate journeyman/mercenary... He's been here before... A player, like Jim Jackson, is like a "hired-gun", in the Wild West,...always ready to provide his shooting skills, to the highest bidder. |
cool. but it was defense we needed tonight. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: |
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It's awfully rare when you think about it to plug a guy in the day you first
bring him aboard.
Francis didn't play for NYK that first day he was there. Didn't even suit
up in a uniform.
Artest - same thing.
Tim Thomas with the Suns was a rare move, but they are DESPERATE for
the size and were facing a team with similar size - it was a bold move but
it's easier to plug in a guy when you have Steve Nash running an offense,
let alone one which is more traditional than the triangle.
You've also gotta look at who's minutes he'd be taking.
It's unlikely JJ ends up in the rotation ahead of Kobe (obviously) Smush
or Sasha (at the PG anyhow, cuz JJ has no chance of defending a one),
George or the split minutes Odom receives at SF.
He'll see some minutes, but with the injuries the Suns had sustained, they
had a much greater need for serious minutes from Thomas ASAP.
JJ not playing is what any seasoned NBA fan should expect.
It's par for the course with any coach, especially patient coaches like Phil. |
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Warm Fuzzies Sixth Man
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 41
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Jackson JUST signed today. What do you expect? He doesnt know the offense and you guys want him in there already? The triangle is a "complicated" offense and to put someone in there with no feel for his teammates is only setting yourself up for failure. I think if he played and didnt know what he was doing, he'd get ripped in the papers and on boards like LG. Phil didn't play him, because you CANNOT expect a guy to just come in and run plays when the whole season you've been testing out the players to make them more comfortable. I believe that will make for bad chemistry if the new "vet" just comes in and takes over. |
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Warm Fuzzies Sixth Man
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 41
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Phil not playing JJ is the easiest and smartest thing for a coach to do.
Lets see
1.HE JUST SIGNED WITH THE TEAM
2.NOT ONE PRACTICE
3.NO FAMILIARITY WITH THE TEAM
I dont think some people on this board realizes that the Lakers dont play "pickup games". You cant just insert anyone you want into the Triangle and hope to succeed. Phil's been playing guys like Smush and Sasha to get them more comfortable with the system, to automatically put JJ at the "1" is not only disrespectful to Smush and Sasha, it basically wastes all those "losses"
that Phil uses as learning tools for young players trying to grasp the Triangle.
TIM THOMAS??? Cmon.... In the Suns offense anyone on any given night can go for 20 plus points. If you have Nash and Diaw passing all night and Marion boarding all night it makes it a lot easier to score. That's why I believe Tim Thomas got his points, because of the system they play in.
JJ probably cannot defend like he used to (if he ever was a Defensive player), so his contributions on defense wouldn't have really helped anyway.
JJ only suited up if we were either blown out or destroyed them. We still had a shot to some extent until the final 2 minutes of the game. Putting JJ in there does nothing for us as an organization. REAL NBA games are not won on paper, but in games. You can't just put talent out there and expect to win. Phil is running a system, JJ will get his time and contribute then. |
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KB8@LG Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: |
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He knows the triangle.. He didn´t play because there is no chemsitry yet.
He should take away all of Pukes and Sasha´s minutes |
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KB8@LG Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: |
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rookies also learn quicker when on the floor. Someone please tell Jax that Luke Walton at PF is not better than Turiaf at PF. And Cook at C is not better than Bynum at C. |
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KwamesMyGuy Star Player
Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 3630
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: |
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These are professionals players. Phil could have played him & ran reg basketball plays in order to get some scoring. As far as defense goes with kwame on duncan everyone can pretty much play one on one. |
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KwamesMyGuy Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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KB8@LG wrote: | He knows the triangle.. He didn´t play because there is no chemsitry yet.
He should take away all of Pukes and Sasha´s minutes |
wtf was Puke & odom doing on the floor together while kobes on the bench? wtf was you thinking Phil? whos gonna shoot with to pg mentally bigs? Its not the lakers whos been laying eggs its Philly "blunt" Jackson. |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: |
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In the pregame show Jackson said he was going to wait until JimJ could practice and Shaw said "Why? When I came to the team you played me the second quarter of the first game. That's the way you learn." So Phil said he agreed and JJackson would get a little playing time in his first game. I think JJackson would have been too slow for that pace but we could have used another shooter. _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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LABigBoi Star Player
Joined: 10 Jun 2001 Posts: 1651 Location: Long Beach
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Wow, there are so many coaches here that have so many great ideas, Phil should be worried about job security with all these pros :roll: |
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