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The Dagger
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| bounty wrote: | Smush
Kobe
RLewis
Booz
Kwame
is very doable and should be done. |
You're taking the wrong direction. Defense wins championships.
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bounty
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| The Dagger wrote: | | bounty wrote: | Smush
Kobe
RLewis
Booz
Kwame
is very doable and should be done. |
You're taking the wrong direction. Defense wins championships. |
we can tinker with our PG, seeing whos avail.
Rlewis defense is underated, ESPECIALLY since he FORCES his guy to play both ends. Booz plays solid post D and paired with Kwame down there it would be strong. RLewis would be replacing LO which is a huge upgrade
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laker4life
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| The Dagger wrote: | | He would fit in perfect with KG and KB8. Kobe slashing, KG at the highpost and (bleep) hitting shots from outside. Then get Boozer to play the low-post. |
Be real. No way that is going to happen.
Wake up and stop dreaming!!!! |
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_LAKESHOW_
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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no thanks to rashard. we need someone who can score in the post. someone who can play with their back to the basket. rashard is a jumpshooter.
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Aussiesuede
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Here are your current bigs: Kwame,Bynum,Odom,Turiaf,Cook,Mihm
If you give up Lamar and bring in Lewis and Fortson you're going to have some bad rotation problems. Lewis can only play SF, so that basically means that there is no choice but to sign George and when you consider the two together (George/Lewis) that's a lot of money to shellout for what you'll get in return. Lewis won't rebound for you (doesn't even try to) so you're downgrading the defense with sending Lamar out. And in the trade scenario suggested you lose George as well so who backs up Rashard? Luke?
The current rotation has Mihm & Cook starting and both being backed up by Kwame. Obviously Turiaf will be getting minutes next season so a rotation of Mihm,Kwame,Turiaf,Bynum, doesn't leave a lot of room for Fortson in the mix, unless you don't care to actually develop both Turiaf and Bynum. So with Lewis on board you'd have a rotation that looks like:
PG JJ, Smush,Sasha
SG Kobe,Profit, (Green/Wafer)
C Mihm,Kwame,Bynum
PF Cook,Turiaf,Fortson
SF Lewis,Walton
That would mean extremely limited rebounding from the starting front court and only foul prone Mihm as any semblance of defense. You can start Kwame next to Mihm for defensive pupose, but they've already proven that they play as well together as Elden and Shaq (not good).
Lewis would provide an excellent second option on offense, but he simply isn't a good fit at the price of giving up Odom, let alone Odom,George, and a #1. And I won't even go into the anticipated problems he's likely to have learning the Tri. I'll be polite and say that Rashard is about as sharp as a bowling ball. He also takes time off during games on a fairly consistent basis when he's not the focal point. He'll shine when Kobe goes to the bench, but he'll be Lamar like when on the floor with Kobe (except he won't give you the rebounds and assists that Lamar does). And he definitely could not fill the role of facilitator. Good player but definitely not a good fit.
And the coup-d'gras. As I've said before. Good luck getting Seattle to trade with the Lakes (although if the Lakers were actually dumb enough to give up Odom, George and a 1st for Rashard - they'd do their best to contain their laughter as they pulled the trigger on that trade)
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| _LAKESHOW_ wrote: | | no thanks to rashard. we need someone who can score in the post. someone who can play with their back to the basket. rashard is a jumpshooter. |
Lewis is ridiculous in the post. Are you crazy? Hes 6'10 with a great back to the basket game.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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The Lakers should offer Odom to Seattle for Lewis as soon as possible. The Sonics probably want to get something in return before Lewis actualy forces a trade. Odom could play either forward position for the Sonics,which gives them better flexibility when it comes to their draft pick. The Lakers should model themselves after the first championship team that had Harper/Kobe/Rice/Green/Shaq.
PF: Boozer( temporary apex of the triangle before Bynum develops)
SF: Lewis(shooter)
C: Mihm(rebound/defend/get some low post scoring)
PG: Parker(shoot/defend)
SG: Kobe(initiate/score)
Then, in 2008:
PF: Boozer>Green
SF: Lewis>Rice
C: Bynum<Shaq
PG: Parker>Harper
SG: Bryant>Bryant |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| He could be a great pickup, kobe needs a second scorer than can help him with the offensive load. |
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_LAKESHOW_
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| bounty wrote: | | _LAKESHOW_ wrote: | | no thanks to rashard. we need someone who can score in the post. someone who can play with their back to the basket. rashard is a jumpshooter. |
Lewis is ridiculous in the post. Are you crazy? Hes 6'10 with a great back to the basket game. |
oh well, so much for reading the thread. you'll actually find that to be a common opinion.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| And 1 wrote: | | kobenbynum wrote: | | And 1 wrote: |
I think if the Lakers contacted the Sonics in the off-season, we could work a deal to bring Lewis to LA for Odom and Miami's 1st. |
Odom and a pick for Lewis? That's insane! Besides the contracts don't work. Odom makes twice as much as Lewis. |
From realgm.com:
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
14.0 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.5 minutes
Incoming
Rashard Lewis
6-10 SF from Alief Elsik (HS)
21.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.4 apg in 37.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.1 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and -2.9 apg.
Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Rashard Lewis
6-10 SF from Alief Elsik (HS)
21.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.4 apg in 37.5 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
14.0 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.1 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and +2.9 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Seattle being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Seattle had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. |
Wow I thought Lewis was making a lot less than 9 mil. None the less Odom and a pick for Lewis would be a terrible trade for the Lakers. |
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LakersMD
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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IMO, Lewis doesn't have what it takes mentally to make an impact on a winning team. This is the same guy who once compared his talent to Kobe Bryant when negotiating his contract. The same guy who is too scared to compete for a spot on the Olympic team and will only come to camp if his roster spot is guaranteed.
He clearly has a skewed view of himself.
Trading LO for Lewis would be a lateral move, IMO. |
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loseyourname
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Odom/Parker for Lewis/Watson. Hope that Turiaf can pick up the rebounding slack.
Yeah right. |
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Socks
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersMD wrote: | IMO, Lewis doesn't have what it takes mentally to make an impact on a winning team. This is the same guy who once compared his talent to Kobe Bryant when negotiating his contract. The same guy who is too scared to compete for a spot on the Olympic team and will only come to camp if his roster spot is guaranteed.
He clearly has a skewed view of himself.
Trading LO for Lewis would be a lateral move, IMO. |
I agree. Some of his comments about the team were completely uncalled for too. And for a guy who is 6'10", he doesn't rebound a lick. He's a good player, but not a superstar by any means. |
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Krispy Kreme
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| _LAKESHOW_ wrote: | | no thanks to rashard. we need someone who can score in the post. someone who can play with their back to the basket. rashard is a jumpshooter. |
disagree. we need someone who can score from all over the court. someone who will make teams pay for doubling bryant. rashard is that guy. and by the way, he has a decent post game.
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scoobs
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: | | LakersMD wrote: | IMO, Lewis doesn't have what it takes mentally to make an impact on a winning team. This is the same guy who once compared his talent to Kobe Bryant when negotiating his contract. The same guy who is too scared to compete for a spot on the Olympic team and will only come to camp if his roster spot is guaranteed.
He clearly has a skewed view of himself.
Trading LO for Lewis would be a lateral move, IMO. |
I agree. Some of his comments about the team were completely uncalled for too. And for a guy who is 6'10", he doesn't rebound a lick. He's a good player, but not a superstar by any means. |
I dont give a ish about his rebounding, he is a small forward not a power forward. The only thing I care about is the fact that he is a great shooter, which is what the Lakers realy need right now. I'm tired of watching Kobe drive and make a great pass to an open player and they miss it. No wonder Kobe wants to shoot the ball every freaking time. The Lakers front court is all messed up right now. We have a three-point shooting power forward that doesn't like to rebound or defend. We have post-up small forward who is suppose to be our second scorer but scoring is actually his weakness. We have a 7-0 270 pound guy who flat out cant catch a freaking basketball to save his life. Obviously, something needs to happen. I think Lewis and Boozer would be a huge up-grade to this roster. How could you be against that? |
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