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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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/\ the class of 96 has 10 all stars and arguably 6 of the 10 are superstars in allen iverson, marbury{starbury}, ray allen, KOBE, steve nash{MVP}, and jermaine oneal |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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I see 1 Hall of Famer. 1 borderline. Rest are stud role players or borderline All-Stars.
'84. 4 Hall of Famers. 1 leads the NBA in total assists and among the league leaders in steals. 2 took turns with Defensive Player of the Year awards with MJ and Olajuwon. 1 is arguably #1 at PF by position in points and rebounding. Of the guys mentioned, I think there's 10 total rings. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | I see 1 Hall of Famer. 1 borderline. Rest are stud role players or borderline All-Stars.
'84. 4 Hall of Famers. 1 leads the NBA in total assists and among the league leaders in steals. 2 took turns with Defensive Player of the Year awards with MJ and Olajuwon. 1 is arguably #1 at PF by position in points and rebounding. Of the guys mentioned, I think there's 10 total rings. |
In terms of hall of famers, u say 1 for sure and 1 borderline. Well kobe 4 sure, and I definitely believe allen iverson will be there, and nash is the borderline one IMO.
U think ray allen and jermaine oneal are just stud "role players"? They're go-to guys on their teams. I disagree. More than stud role players. Stojakavic=maybe categorized as stud role player, but if u a go to guy, u more than just a "stud role player." |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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It was in response to the 2003 draft. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Stylistic Stylez Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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hahaha todd fuller ahead of kobe |
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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | It was in response to the 2003 draft. |
Ahhh I c!! |
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Ozendorph Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: |
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DaggerInTheHeart wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | I think that's the best draft class. Stud bigmen as well. I think every one of those guys but Bowie saw the Finals. |
Is there any reason Bowie was picked over Jordan? wow talk about the Blazers laying a bomb big time, till this day there haunted through that draft and the Choke job in G7 in 2000. |
When you think about it, the shame wasn't that Portland took Bowie over Jordan, but rather that they took Bowie over Barkley. As Mike mentioned, they already had The Glide and Terry Porter in the back court...you throw Sir Charles on that team and that would have been an amazing starting lineup.
Being a Lakers fan, of course, I'm quite glad it didn't go down that way. _________________ Dumbledore closed his eyes and slowly lowered his head before Kupchak. "Teach me," he whispered. |
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doughboy Starting Rotation
Joined: 21 Apr 2001 Posts: 127 Location: LA, CALI
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Team Bryant wrote: | 1996 NBA Draft
-1st Round-
First Round Player College
1. Philadelphia Allen Iverson Georgetown
2. Toronto Marcus Camby Massachusetts
3. Vancouver Shareef Abdur-Rahim California
4. Milwaukee (a) Stephon Marbury Georgia Tech
5. Minnesota (a) Ray Allen Connecticut
6. Boston (from Dallas) Antoine Walker Kentucky
7. LA Clippers Lorenzen Wright Memphis
8. New Jersey Kerry Kittles Villanova
9. Dallas (from Boston) Samaki Walker Louisvile
10. Indiana (from Denver) Erick Dampier Mississippi State
11. Golden State Todd Fuller North Carolina State
12. Cleveland (from Wash.) Vitaly Potapenko Wright State
13. Charlotte Kobe Bryant Lower Merion HS
14. Sacramento Predrag Stojakovic PAOK (Greece)
15. Phoenix Steve Nash Santa Clara
16. Charlotte (from Miami) Tony Delk Kentucky
17. Portland Jermaine O'Neal Eau Claire HS
18. New York (from Detroit) John Wallace Syracuse
19. New York (from Atlanta) Walter McCarty Kentucky
20. Cleveland Zydrunas Ilgauskas Lithuania
21. New York Dontae Jones Mississippi State
22. Vancouver (from Houston) Roy Rogers Alabama
23. Denver (from Indiana) Efthimis Rentzias PAOK
24. LA Lakers Derek Fisher Arkansas-Little Rock
25. Utah (b) Martin Muursepp BC Kalev Tallinn
26. Detroit (from San Antonio) Jerome Williams Georgetown
27. Orlando Brian Evans Indiana
28. Atlanta (from Seattle) Priest Lauderdale Peristeri (Greece)
29. Chicago Travis Knight Connecticut |
Nice class ranking the top 5 players in order out of this class.
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Allen Iverson
3. Steve Nash
4. Jermaine O'Neal
5. Ray Allen |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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4 Pointer wrote: | Picking some of the guys ahead of Kobe back then looks absurd now but for a kid graduating from HS, that was pretty high. The HS craze had not fully kicked in and especially not for a wing player. |
Absolutely. People forget Kobe was the first guard ever drafted directly out of high-school. All the previous HS draftees were big men. Everyone who scouted him knew he had raw talent. It was his lack of fundamentals that were in question. |
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Agar5 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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ishi331 wrote: | LoL. If you think about it, Kobe could have been playing for the New Orleans Hornets last night. |
I think this might have played a little factor into him wanting that game so bad on Wednesday night and maybe forcing some shots. Throw that in with the first game in N.O. and the hype that game was getting. These are the type of games Kobe thrives in. Just a thought. |
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showtime3232 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | 1985
# Team Name College/HS/Country
1 NYK Patrick Ewing Georgetown
2 IND Wayman Tisdale Oklahoma
3 LAC Benoit Benjamin Creighton
4 SEA Xavier McDaniel Wichita State
5 ATL Jon Koncak Southern Methodist
6 SAC Joe Kleine Arkansas
7 GSW Chris Mullin St. John's
8 DAL Detlef Schrempf Washington
9 CLE Charles Oakley Virginia Union
10 PHO Ed Pinckney Villanova
11 CHI Keith Lee Memphis State
12 WA1 Kenny Green Wake Forest
13 UTA Karl Malone Louisiana Tech
14 SAS Alfredrick Hughes Loyola (IL)
15 DEN Blair Rasmussen Oregon
16 DAL Bill Wennington St. John's
17 DAL Uwe Blab Indiana
18 DET Joe Dumars McNeese State
19 HOU Steve Harris Tulsa
20 BOS Sam Vincent Michigan State
21 PHI Terry Catledge South Alabama
22 MIL Jerry Reynolds Louisiana State
23 LAL A.C. Green Oregon State
24 POR Terry Porter Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Hall of Fame: Malone, Ewing, Mullin
All-Star: Dumars, Porter, Schrempf
Above Average: Oakley, Green
Solid Career: McDaniel, Tisdale
2nd-round finds: Manute Bol, Hot Rod Williams, Gerald Wilkins
solid group of players - nice influx of talent in to the league in 84-85. Some good small school players here, like Dumars and Porter. There's also a high comedy factor here with guys like Uwe Blab and Alfredrick Hughes. |
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RJBaca Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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P X wrote: | Best class ever ??
Check the draft of '03.
LEBRON
WADE
MELO
BOSH
KAMAN
HINRICH
TJ FORD
BORIS DIAW
RINDOUR
DAVID WEST
BARBOSA
JOSH HOWARD
KYLE KORVER |
You forgot Steve Blake the Laker Killer!!!! |
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Bystander Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Samake Walker #9, and people are complaining about Mitch drafting |
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ajaxxx Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Bystander wrote: | Samake Walker #9, and people are complaining about Mitch drafting |
He must have been a great college player. _________________ New Orleans Hornets superstar point guard Chris Paul is reportedly headed to the Los Angeles Lakers in a blockbuster trade. |
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Thugnomoe Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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P X wrote: | Best class ever ??
Check the draft of '03.
LEBRON
WADE
MELO
BOSH
KAMAN
HINRICH
TJ FORD
BORIS DIAW
RINDOUR
DAVID WEST
BARBOSA
JOSH HOWARD
KYLE KORVER |
what about DARKO? |
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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Agar5 wrote: | ishi331 wrote: | LoL. If you think about it, Kobe could have been playing for the New Orleans Hornets last night. |
I think this might have played a little factor into him wanting that game so bad on Wednesday night and maybe forcing some shots. Throw that in with the first game in N.O. and the hype that game was getting. These are the type of games Kobe thrives in. Just a thought. |
I believe you are right. When talking on Steven A Smith's show, he said he remembered the hornets trading him cuz "they had no need for him". Kobe just Said, "OK....OK, I'll remember that" and he said he hit the gym right after he heard that. He uses everything against other teams to motivate himself. |
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brock Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Little known fact: New Jersey was set to take Kobe at 9, but the combination of Calipari perfering Kittles and Kobe's Dad making it known that Kobe would make it "difficult" if they took him forced them to change their minds. Amazingly, that was the only team ahead of Charlotte that wanted him. |
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kobekillinu2nite Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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brock wrote: | Little known fact: New Jersey was set to take Kobe at 9, but the combination of Calipari perfering Kittles and Kobe's Dad making it known that Kobe would make it "difficult" if they took him forced them to change their minds. Amazingly, that was the only team ahead of Charlotte that wanted him. |
Even less known fact, Phoenix wanted him as well. They worked their asses off to get him and failed. When the lakers picked up Kobe in the trade and sent vlade, Danny Ainge was quoted saying "Holy SH!t!!!! They have Kobe AND Shaq!!!!"
In the book Mad Man's Game about the lakers dynasty |
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Intensity Sixth Man
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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You beat me to that post! The '03 draft class is definitely one of if not the best class. There is just way too much skill and potential in that class. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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numero-ocho wrote: | 4 Pointer wrote: | Picking some of the guys ahead of Kobe back then looks absurd now but for a kid graduating from HS, that was pretty high. The HS craze had not fully kicked in and especially not for a wing player. |
Absolutely. People forget Kobe was the first guard ever drafted directly out of high-school. All the previous HS draftees were big men. Everyone who scouted him knew he had raw talent. It was his lack of fundamentals that were in question. |
No, it wasn't his lack of fundamentals that were in question. He had among the most individual skills as a guard as collegiate players. Elite ball-handling, passing, shot creating abilities, athleticism, AND size.
It was ABSOLUTE insecurity by GMs to pick the guy, only because they had seen so many great high school guards go into college and not turn out to be great players.
Kobe was arguably the most skilled guard out of HS next to LeBron.
When West so him beat out Cooper and ACC player of the year in individual workouts, West wasn't insecure anymore. No reason to be. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | 1985
# Team Name College/HS/Country
1 NYK Patrick Ewing Georgetown
2 IND Wayman Tisdale Oklahoma
3 LAC Benoit Benjamin Creighton
4 SEA Xavier McDaniel Wichita State
5 ATL Jon Koncak Southern Methodist |
Whoa. Did you know Wayman Tisdale became a professional jazz artist instead? _________________ A proud member of LakersGround.net for over 10 years [since April 28, 2001] |
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PrplReign Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Who were the top 5 pick during Kobe draft year? |
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LakerFan4Lyfe wrote: | I cant remember and my sources have suddenly become very unreliable? can someone please remind me.... it was the 96 season |
How is Google unreliable? :roll: _________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3vkwP3GHQ |
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PrplReign Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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orwell wrote: | Quote: | 1985
# Team Name College/HS/Country
1 NYK Patrick Ewing Georgetown
2 IND Wayman Tisdale Oklahoma
3 LAC Benoit Benjamin Creighton
4 SEA Xavier McDaniel Wichita State
5 ATL Jon Koncak Southern Methodist |
Whoa. Did you know Wayman Tisdale became a professional jazz artist instead? |
Whoa, not instead, but after he retired from basketball. He had quite a few productive seasons. _________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3vkwP3GHQ |
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CheetahMan Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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'84 is the best draft class ever. Dream, Mike, Stockton, Sir Charles as the brightest stars. There were many other players also with solid careers, like Sam Perkins and Alvin Robertson to name some. Worth of mentioning are also Rick Carlisle (coach of the Pacers) and Carl Lewis (9 Olympic gold medals, former world record holder).
As for '96, it's a quality class. _________________ I want to say something about Dwayne Wade, but I fear I may get called for a foul.
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | 9. Dallas (from Boston) Samaki Walker Louisvile |
WOW _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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