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malicious_intent
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according to draft express one of his strengths coming out of college was defense. he also had midrange jumpers as a weakness, so if this is true he has a pretty good work ethic. also, he shot around 32% in europe last year and his last year in the nba from 3. his first two years he shot closer to 25%.
bottom line is that he can score on this level and he should be a lock to make the team. theres no way a guy comes from europe where he was making money just to play for the defenders. |
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DancingBarry
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | Like the Douglas-Roberts Johnson-Odom backups at guard. They're like playing against 4 guys. |
Chick would have had fun with that duo. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wonder if he will make the team..give him a go in pre season and see how he does. |
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jackthunder
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| if we had the clippers bench we'd be unstoppable. |
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ClaytonBigsby
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| jackthunder wrote: | | if we had the clippers bench we'd be unstoppable. |
If the Clippers had our starting five they would be unstoppable. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| While CDR may not be God's gift to basketball, I do think he can be an asset. Great one on one player, instant offense. I remember reading many a post this off-season about bring some young, athletic scoring to this team. Voila... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| We need all the help at sf that we can get. |
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jackthunder
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I keep waiting for a big bench Shannon Brown/Ariza type signing. But I'm guessing that's not gonna happen. |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jackthunder wrote: | | I keep waiting for a big bench Shannon Brown/Ariza type signing. But I'm guessing that's not gonna happen. |
Both Ariza and Shannon weren't thought of as much when they were acquired.. perhaps CDR fits into that? From what I hear - he's a gunner like Shannon is soooo |
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| If CDR remains on the team and truly becomes our backup SF, blake will be so much more reasonable as our backup PG |
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CDR is a shooting guard though. His play style is similar to Barbosa, except younger and better defensively.
As a SF he's very undersized and pretty bad so I've read. He excels as a SG because that is his natural position. We already have Meeks as SG so it should be interesting. |
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| Lakers_Jester wrote: | CDR is a shooting guard though. His play style is similar to Barbosa, except younger and better defensively.
As a SF he's very undersized and pretty bad so I've read. He excels as a SG because that is his natural position. We already have Meeks as SG so it should be interesting. |
Harden has gotten away playing sf and he's 6'5 while CDR is 6'7
His career preseason numbers are nice. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_douglas-roberts/career_stats.html
in before someone says its only preseason lol
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I'm glad we got this guy. I've seen him play with the Bucks and he is a very good slasher, Matt Barnes style, but with more style, weaker rebounding and more athleticism and youth. This is a very good signing. Nice one Mitch! 
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Living here in NJ for the past 5 years, I've had the misfortune of having to watch some Nets games. CDR was on the Nets for a year or two.
1. On the Nets, he could flat out score off the dribble. He has a very herky jerky game that is difficult to guard. He has decent handles for a guy who is listed at 6'7", and he is really a long player.
2. Doesn't have a high basketball IQ. He's very instinctual in terms of scoring, just goes at the rim relentlessly.
3. Has a decent mid-range game, and is athletic.
4. Poor defender, more wiry than strong. He could def play small forward though as a backup. He couldn't guard LBJ, Durant, Melo, but who really can? He's good as a backup SF/SG (in that order).
Look, Ebanks has some defensive potential. But on offense, he simply offers nothing. CDR is a scoring-minded SF/SG who has a good chance to make the team. He was known as a team cancer on the Bucks, and I'm hoping that playing in Euro (and don't look at his Euro numbers, they are always skewed due to the Euro style of play, look at Brandon Jennings for example) sobered him up a bit.
Overall, a great low risk, high upside player. I personally hope he makes the team because he would offer a good scoring option off the bench. Otherwise, we are stuck with whatever Ebanks can offer, which last year wasn't too much.
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^^^
I agree with majority of your assessments, yinoma.
However - the conclusion you're coming up with disregards a possibility (and high one at that) of Kobe sliding up into a backup 3 role and still playing 33-35min per game. And that is very possible, especially when Meeks is catching fire
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| golakersgo121 wrote: | ^^^
I agree with majority of your assessments, yinoma.
However - the conclusion you're coming up with disregards a possibility (and high one at that) of Kobe sliding up into a backup 3 role and still playing 33-35min per game. And that is very possible, especially when Meeks is catching fire |
I think the goal is to limit the wear/tear on Kobe, particularly when he has dropped by his own admission 15 pounds. So he's at a svelte 200 pounds or so. I don't know if I'd want him to play that many additional minutes at the SF spot. But yeah, if Kobe had to, he can def play SF.
But it's nice to have an offensive tool off the bench at the SF spot, which Ebanks/Clark are not, and CDR is much more of an offensive player. We'll see. I was very surprised about this signing and like it a lot.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | ^^^
I agree with majority of your assessments, yinoma.
However - the conclusion you're coming up with disregards a possibility (and high one at that) of Kobe sliding up into a backup 3 role and still playing 33-35min per game. And that is very possible, especially when Meeks is catching fire |
I think the goal is to limit the wear/tear on Kobe, particularly when he has dropped by his own admission 15 pounds. So he's at a svelte 200 pounds or so. I don't know if I'd want him to play that many additional minutes at the SF spot. But yeah, if Kobe had to, he can def play SF.
But it's nice to have an offensive tool off the bench at the SF spot, which Ebanks/Clark are not, and CDR is much more of an offensive player. We'll see. I was very surprised about this signing and like it a lot. |
right - and I don't mean playing Kobe against really strong backup 3's. I think he can handle majority of them though.
Just to be clear - i have nothing against the signing of CDR. I do not particularly like though basketball players with very low BB IQ (and as such - he is kinda black hole offensively). No doubt - any team needs one (or better - two) scorer off the bench. with Jamison/Meeks I do think we're good enough for CDR not to see minutes because Ebanks is a better defender
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| golakersgo121 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | ^^^
I agree with majority of your assessments, yinoma.
However - the conclusion you're coming up with disregards a possibility (and high one at that) of Kobe sliding up into a backup 3 role and still playing 33-35min per game. And that is very possible, especially when Meeks is catching fire |
I think the goal is to limit the wear/tear on Kobe, particularly when he has dropped by his own admission 15 pounds. So he's at a svelte 200 pounds or so. I don't know if I'd want him to play that many additional minutes at the SF spot. But yeah, if Kobe had to, he can def play SF.
But it's nice to have an offensive tool off the bench at the SF spot, which Ebanks/Clark are not, and CDR is much more of an offensive player. We'll see. I was very surprised about this signing and like it a lot. |
right - and I don't mean playing Kobe against really strong backup 3's. I think he can handle majority of them though.
Just to be clear - i have nothing against the signing of CDR. I do not particularly like though basketball players with very low BB IQ (and as such - he is kinda black hole offensively). No doubt - any team needs one (or better - two) scorer off the bench. with Jamison/Meeks I do think we're good enough for CDR not to see minutes because Ebanks is a better defender |
Also, the nice thing about CDR is his ability to play SF and SG. Meeks is a one trick pony, and can oftentimes be bullied by bigger SGs. We don't have any option off the bench in that situation (and Ebanks is not a backup SG). CDR would be a good remedy for that.
He is a blackhole on offense, but it would be nice to have another offensive tool off the bench at the SF spot. Ebanks will likely average less than 5 ppg b/c of his lack of offensive game. CDR is at least an average offensive player.
I think we both agree about CDR. Not a game changer, but at the minimum, he's better IMO than Glock, Nelson, and others. I'd probably keep DJO though.
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Yeap, we are in agreement about CDR, in general.
I think, the Lakers are going to keep him "close" (with the most likely outcome him being in the D-league). However - he is the only player that might "surprise" in the camp and make the team outright as the spot #13, lets' say
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| golakersgo121 wrote: | Yeap, we are in agreement about CDR, in general.
I think, the Lakers are going to keep him "close" (with the most likely outcome him being in the D-league). However - he is the only player that might "surprise" in the camp and make the team outright as the spot #13, lets' say |
I don't see why they'd keep him in the DLeague b/c any team can poach him. If it came down to DJO, Sacre, Glock, and CDR, I take DJO and CDR. I think we're good at the center position given Dwight's recovery.
Our most glaring need is depth at the SF spot, and CDR fits one particular need: athletic scorer.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | Yeap, we are in agreement about CDR, in general.
I think, the Lakers are going to keep him "close" (with the most likely outcome him being in the D-league). However - he is the only player that might "surprise" in the camp and make the team outright as the spot #13, lets' say |
I don't see why they'd keep him in the DLeague b/c any team can poach him. If it came down to DJO, Sacre, Glock, and CDR, I take DJO and CDR. I think we're good at the center position given Dwight's recovery.
Our most glaring need is depth at the SF spot, and CDR fits one particular need: athletic scorer. |
I am not disputing your opinion based on any facts/needs, yinoma. It is just a feel...
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| Car54 wrote: | http://youtu.be/jex5bEQCSi0
looks like he has some skill |
he does have skill. the guy is good. BUT he cant shoot the three ball unless something has changed. he had a weird but working mid range jay. but he wasnt that great of a passer. not a great defender. so his worth isnt much.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | Yeap, we are in agreement about CDR, in general.
I think, the Lakers are going to keep him "close" (with the most likely outcome him being in the D-league). However - he is the only player that might "surprise" in the camp and make the team outright as the spot #13, lets' say |
I don't see why they'd keep him in the DLeague b/c any team can poach him. If it came down to DJO, Sacre, Glock, and CDR, I take DJO and CDR. I think we're good at the center position given Dwight's recovery.
Our most glaring need is depth at the SF spot, and CDR fits one particular need: athletic scorer. |
I agree! After what happened last year with Gerald Green, I'd rather the Lakers use one of the last two roster spots on CDR than risk keeping him in the D-league.
We need some insurance at the wing position in case Meeks or Ebanks goes down, and CDR provides that. Yes, it leaves us with "only" a 4-big rotation (Gasol/Howard/Jamieson/Hill), but then last year Mike Brown had trouble finding time for all five big men, and this year's PF/C rotation is better, especially Jamieson/Hill coming off the bench. This eliminates the NEED for a 5th big.
As much as I like Sacre, I'd give the last two spots to DJO (defense and athleticism) and CDR (a scoring option). It'll be interesting to see what the Lakers do. |
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| SmokeAndAshes wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | golakersgo121 wrote: | Yeap, we are in agreement about CDR, in general.
I think, the Lakers are going to keep him "close" (with the most likely outcome him being in the D-league). However - he is the only player that might "surprise" in the camp and make the team outright as the spot #13, lets' say |
I don't see why they'd keep him in the DLeague b/c any team can poach him. If it came down to DJO, Sacre, Glock, and CDR, I take DJO and CDR. I think we're good at the center position given Dwight's recovery.
Our most glaring need is depth at the SF spot, and CDR fits one particular need: athletic scorer. |
I agree! After what happened last year with Gerald Green, I'd rather the Lakers use one of the last two roster spots on CDR than risk keeping him in the D-league.
We need some insurance at the wing position in case Meeks or Ebanks goes down, and CDR provides that. Yes, it leaves us with "only" a 4-big rotation (Gasol/Howard/Jamieson/Hill), but then last year Mike Brown had trouble finding time for all five big men, and this year's PF/C rotation is better, especially Jamieson/Hill coming off the bench. This eliminates the NEED for a 5th big.
As much as I like Sacre, I'd give the last two spots to DJO (defense and athleticism) and CDR (a scoring option). It'll be interesting to see what the Lakers do. |
I'm going to wait until after all of the pre-season games.. but right now - I agree. I was on board with Ronnie Aguilar .. but CDR should absolutely get the spot. Dude is a legitmate scoring threat. The Lakers need as much firepower on their bench as they could get to improve over last year.. if you have Meeks, Jamison, AND CDR, who are all aggressive offensively - then having passive players like Steve Blake and Devin Ebanks and offensively-challenged in Jordan Hill all of a sudden doesn't seem like too big of a deal.
People talk about his being a head-case, or defensive abilities.. but he'll be in the game what? 3 to 4 minutes a quarter? Having that spark along with Meeks and Jamison will be great.
Of course, if it doesn't work out .. you could always go and see what you have with Earl Clark and Devin Ebanks.
But, CDR is a legit scoring threat. And it's not as though he's a scrub. |
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