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 Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:57 am Post subject: OFFICIAL PHIL JACKSON DISCUSSION - coaching, interviews, book, etc. |
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- Talks about Kobe's knee problems & how he had to be held out of practice. Team lost leadership and intensity
- Pau's personal problems and being distracted by media rumors
- Phil's inability to give his all because of prostate cancer
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2013/05/10/phil-jacksons-upcoming-book-partly-delves-into-underachieving-2010-11-season/
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: |
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That explains why it looked like Phil was mailing it in that season.
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I'd like to see him become a part of managment. Our FO is in shambles. Not knowing but feeling, Jim needs a strong presence to nudge him in the right direction.
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The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch.
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b-b-b-but Pau is soft and he broke up with his girlfriend. "Pau Ga.soft" remember?
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Phil would be a lousy FO guy. Horrible talent evaluator. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
You call Nash a solid player personnel move? Adding age to a already aged roster IMO was not a solid player personnel move.
IMO Damtomi was not the coach for the personnel we have, another bad move.
I'm on the outside looking in, as are you. I believe Phil and Mitch can put their heads together and forge, with Jim, better moves.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
Eleven championships doesn't convince you that Phil can nudge people in the right direction? |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
This. Based on the players Phil has advocated trading for or drafting, he's not exactly a proven commodity in the front office. |
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| composite wrote: | | Phil would be a lousy FO guy. Horrible talent evaluator. |
Evaluating talent is not the only function in the FO.
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| jodeke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
You call Nash a solid player personnel move? Adding age to a already aged roster IMO was not a solid player personnel move.
IMO Damtomi was not the coach for the personnel we have, another bad move.
I'm on the outside looking in, as are you. I believe Phil and Mitch can put their heads together and forge, with Jim, better moves. |
Nash as a player is definitely a good move, but we gave up a bit much for him and his contract is 1 year too long. Nash would be perfect in the triangle, it's when you start asking him to be the old Suns Nash you run into problems, especially considering we don't have the players to run that offense.
The move would have payed off if we hired Phil instead of D'Antoni.
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Lol. Can't wait!
Seems like Phil's throwing Pau under the bus in his book. 
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
You call Nash a solid player personnel move? Adding age to a already aged roster IMO was not a solid player personnel move.
IMO Damtomi was not the coach for the personnel we have, another bad move.
I'm on the outside looking in, as are you. I believe Phil and Mitch can put their heads together and forge, with Jim, better moves. |
Nash as a player is definitely a good move, but we gave up a bit much for him and his contract is 1 year too long. Nash would be perfect in the triangle, it's when you start asking him to be the old Suns Nash you run into problems, especially considering we don't have the players to run that offense.
The move would have payed off if we hired Phil instead of D'Antoni. |
Nah, D'antoni was the logical choice.
He built his reputation on slowing the pace down. On top of that, if you ask Phoenix Suns fans, they will all tell you that he did a fantastic job moderating his starters minutes. |
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So who's in charge of hiring the GM. Jim or Jeanie?
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
You call Nash a solid player personnel move? Adding age to a already aged roster IMO was not a solid player personnel move.
IMO Damtomi was not the coach for the personnel we have, another bad move.
I'm on the outside looking in, as are you. I believe Phil and Mitch can put their heads together and forge, with Jim, better moves. |
Nash as a player is definitely a good move, but we gave up a bit much for him and his contract is 1 year too long. Nash would be perfect in the triangle, it's when you start asking him to be the old Suns Nash you run into problems, especially considering we don't have the players to run that offense.
The move would have payed off if we hired Phil instead of D'Antoni. |
My dislike of signing Nash was and is his age and contract. Pau and Kobe have huge contracts and it's going to cost the organization when the LT kicks in. Again, IMO, adding age to a aging roster was not a good decision. Reason I say not a solid player move.
You've addressed my other concern, Damtoni.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The problem with that is that we have no idea if Phil can nudge anyone in the right direction. At least Jim has proven that the FO can make solid player personnel moves under his watch. |
You call Nash a solid player personnel move? Adding age to a already aged roster IMO was not a solid player personnel move.
IMO Damtomi was not the coach for the personnel we have, another bad move.
I'm on the outside looking in, as are you. I believe Phil and Mitch can put their heads together and forge, with Jim, better moves. |
Nash as a player is definitely a good move, but we gave up a bit much for him and his contract is 1 year too long. Nash would be perfect in the triangle, it's when you start asking him to be the old Suns Nash you run into problems, especially considering we don't have the players to run that offense.
The move would have payed off if we hired Phil instead of D'Antoni. |
Nah, D'antoni was the logical choice.
He built his reputation on slowing the pace down. On top of that, if you ask Phoenix Suns fans, they will all tell you that he did a fantastic job moderating his starters minutes. |
You're right, and his Suns teams suffered greatly from injuries as a result... oh wait...
BTW, he tended to give 9 guys significant minutes in PHO.
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| frijolero01 wrote: | | b-b-b-but Pau is soft and he broke up with his girlfriend. "Pau Ga.soft" remember? |
he played the same way the following year minus family trouble
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Phils is horrible coach, he couldnt do any better with this group...lol
So many people (including some in the Lakers FO) have no idea that greatness Phil has for leading a group of men to ultimate heights. The fact that this guy would coach our team if simply asked and shown some yet we go without him is a joke. Get this guy back on our sidelines, turn the triangle into a Laker brand and let his future understudies take over in the future.
BTW, you can still run and use the triangle when half court ball is needed...they are not mutually exclusive.
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| PhiberOptik wrote: | | So who's in charge of hiring the GM. Jim or Jeanie? |
Jimbo is. He will just hire himself and use a cap expert or put a puppet in there like the current assistant GM. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | That explains why it looked like the Lakers mailed it in that season. |
Fixed. |
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| JoJo Dancer wrote: | | PhiberOptik wrote: | | So who's in charge of hiring the GM. Jim or Jeanie? |
Jimbo is. He will just hire himself and use a cap expert or put a puppet in there like the current assistant GM. |
Jeanie and the board needs to do a coup'd'etat on Jim's behind!
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| RMurphy_22 wrote: | Phils is horrible coach, he couldnt do any better with this group...lol
So many people (including some in the Lakers FO) have no idea that greatness Phil has for leading a group of men to ultimate heights. The fact that this guy would coach our team if simply asked and shown some yet we go without him is a joke. Get this guy back on our sidelines, turn the triangle into a Laker brand and let his future understudies take over in the future.
BTW, you can still run and use the triangle when half court ball is needed...they are not mutually exclusive. |
His understudies have had great success...as his understudies. As head coaches? None whatsoever.
And again, Phil is done with coaching. He was done when he called it a career 2 years ago and has done absolutely nothing to indicate that he has changed his mind. Hell, he doesn't want to deal with the rigors of being an executive either, which is why he's looking for a consulting gig. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | RMurphy_22 wrote: | Phils is horrible coach, he couldnt do any better with this group...lol
So many people (including some in the Lakers FO) have no idea that greatness Phil has for leading a group of men to ultimate heights. The fact that this guy would coach our team if simply asked and shown some yet we go without him is a joke. Get this guy back on our sidelines, turn the triangle into a Laker brand and let his future understudies take over in the future.
BTW, you can still run and use the triangle when half court ball is needed...they are not mutually exclusive. |
His understudies have had great success...as his understudies. As head coaches? None whatsoever.
And again, Phil is done with coaching. He was done when he called it a career 2 years ago and has done absolutely nothing to indicate that he has changed his mind. Hell, he doesn't want to deal with the rigors of being an executive either, which is why he's looking for a consulting gig. |
Most people never get that the triangle had very little to do with Phil's success. He could have done the same thing with a completely different scheme. Which is why teaching it to understudies, and then watching them fail in head coaching jobs is such a waste of time.
What made Phil great is about who and what Phil is as a person and a force of nature. Like jack Nicholson, Phil just has "it", and "it' can't be taught, no matter how many of his books you read or how many years you work with him.
Phil doesn't even know what makes Phil great, which is why he spends so much time searching (although, ironically, being a searcher is part of what you can define that makes him great).
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| jodeke wrote: | | composite wrote: | | Phil would be a lousy FO guy. Horrible talent evaluator. |
Evaluating talent is not the only function in the FO. |
Phil wanted to trade Kobe for Jason Kidd back in '01 or so. He pushed for Luke getting his fat $30 million contract when no one would offer anything close to that. I can't recall what else, but there's a long track record of Phil wanting players that wouldn't have panned out. |
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