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mugwump
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Quin Snyder? Theres a reason that no team in the world has made him the head coach. Not sure of the reason, but I don't think the Lakers should be the first one.
At least with Riley, Magic Johnson demanded he take over, even without head coaching experience. It's not like Kobe is demanding the Lakers go with Snyder. Game recognizes game, etc.
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CBaller8
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| Maybe Rick Adelman |
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Bard207
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | Maybe Rick Adelman |
Maybe and maybe not.
He is getting up in years and his wife has had some health issues, so he might be ready to retire.
Here is a nice read about him...
Measuring the layers of Rick Adelman's greatness |
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CBaller8
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| Bard207 wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | Maybe Rick Adelman |
Maybe and maybe not.
He is getting up in years and his wife has had some health issues, so he might be ready to retire.
Here is a nice read about him...
Measuring the layers of Rick Adelman's greatness |
I knew he was old, but didn't know about his wife. Maybe Mike D'Antoni |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: I blame Jim Buss |
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| LakerEric wrote: | | NastyNas_87 wrote: | stop blaming the players. stop blaming D'antoni. they were simply doing what was in their best interest.
blame the idiot who turned down Phil Jackson for no defense D'antoni. blame the clown who didn't trade Dwight Howard when he knew that we had no chance to resign him. blame the fool who decided it was a great idea to put a team together of one year vet min deals and thinking they would lay down when we needed them.
if the Lakers don't win the lottery, get no star free agents, and are once again toiling in NBA purgatory next season......blame Jim Buss
he is the cause of the downfall of the once mighty Lakers |
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Could not say it better. |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | I'll give Jim Buss more time to prove his acumen. His father just passed away. All this Jim Buss pissing and moaning is getting tiresome. |
It is simply going to get louder if this summer is a repeat of last. |
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Just thinking out of the box here but also tired of the re-thread of NBA coaches.
Why not consider hiring a coach like Tony Bennett from Virginia?
Defensive minded coach that runs the Pack Line Defense. A variation of this defense beat us in the 2008 finals.
I'm all for chasing Kevin Ollie to help recruit Durant but I think all that is a pipe dream. I'd prefer a coach like Thibs that even with his star player out has his team competing due to their defense.
I know defense doesn't sell tickets but winning games does.
Come on FO time to think out of the box. |
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Omar Little
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The problem with the pack line is that it gives up the type of open 3's NBA shooters will kill you with.
Oh, and the 08 Celts ran the opposite of the pack line...
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| 24 wrote: | The problem with the pack line is that it gives up the type of open 3's NBA shooters will kill you with.
Oh, and the 08 Celts ran the opposite of the pack line... |
I'd rather close out on the shooters than give up easy layups. Pack line is suppose to sag about one foot from the arc so contesting threes shouldn't be a problem. I think it will put more pressure on offenses to execute and space the floor to get a good shot. "Three's don't kill you - Open three's do".
Highest 3pt FG% this year is 47% by Korver. There are about 25 players at 40% or better.
Highest FG% this year is 67% by Deandre Jordan. There are about 27 player with 50% or better.
Looking at the second stat of high FG% player leads me to believe a lot are easy put backs, dunks or layups. I think concentrating on denying post ups and penetration is much more important than three point shot.
Also found this UW packline pdf online
My bad on the 08 Celts but read somewhere online it had the main principles of the Pack Line |
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| I have doubts about that defense doing well against the Warriors. |
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| Might be tougher against them but that is just one team. Also, can be a hybrid but main point is we need a defensive minded coach and the FO should be open to new coaches not just re-threads. |
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| Fruscas wrote: | http://www.usatodaysportsimages.com/image/thumb/250-225/7032744.jpg
seems Kobe respects him |
You can determine that just by looking at a thumbnail image? Impressive.
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from: http://isportsweb.com
Jerry Sloan 25.39% hmm will never happen
Byron Scott 22.99% most likely
Jeff Van Gundy 11.29% no thanks
George Karl 10.45% perhaps but need more energetic younger blood
Mike Krzyzewski 9.51% a dream if it happens
Lionel Hollins 8.57% perhaps
John Calipari 4.81% might be ok but he is old
Stan Van Gundy 2.82% is the fat brother that looks like a porn star no thanks
Larry Brown 1.78% moves around too much no thanks
Nate McMillan 1.67% hmmm but no
Mike Woodson 1% not |
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| lakerfanatic wrote: | | 24 wrote: | The problem with the pack line is that it gives up the type of open 3's NBA shooters will kill you with.
Oh, and the 08 Celts ran the opposite of the pack line... |
I'd rather close out on the shooters than give up easy layups. Pack line is suppose to sag about one foot from the arc so contesting threes shouldn't be a problem. I think it will put more pressure on offenses to execute and space the floor to get a good shot. "Three's don't kill you - Open three's do".
Highest 3pt FG% this year is 47% by Korver. There are about 25 players at 40% or better.
Highest FG% this year is 67% by Deandre Jordan. There are about 27 player with 50% or better.
Looking at the second stat of high FG% player leads me to believe a lot are easy put backs, dunks or layups. I think concentrating on denying post ups and penetration is much more important than three point shot.
Also found this UW packline pdf online
My bad on the 08 Celts but read somewhere online it had the main principles of the Pack Line |
Pack line is weakest against 3s because that is what will open up. And that's in college with the shorter line. In the pros, you'd have to extend a few feet and this not have the tightest coverage, or you will have farther to go against even better shooters.
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| ElginBaylor wrote: | | Fruscas wrote: | http://www.usatodaysportsimages.com/image/thumb/250-225/7032744.jpg
seems Kobe respects him |
You can determine that just by looking at a thumbnail image? Impressive. |
just adding some sauces to it |
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| mugwump wrote: | Quin Snyder? Theres a reason that no team in the world has made him the head coach. Not sure of the reason, but I don't think the Lakers should be the first one.
At least with Riley, Magic Johnson demanded he take over, even without head coaching experience. It's not like Kobe is demanding the Lakers go with Snyder. Game recognizes game, etc. |
He was the head coach at Mizzou. From what I remember, I think he got into some trouble there, but I could be wrong.
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| lakerfanatic wrote: | Just thinking out of the box here but also tired of the re-thread of NBA coaches.
Why not consider hiring a coach like Tony Bennett from Virginia?
Defensive minded coach that runs the Pack Line Defense. A variation of this defense beat us in the 2008 finals.
I'm all for chasing Kevin Ollie to help recruit Durant but I think all that is a pipe dream. I'd prefer a coach like Thibs that even with his star player out has his team competing due to their defense.
I know defense doesn't sell tickets but winning games does.
Come on FO time to think out of the box. |
With a name like that he should coach the Warriors.
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| 24 wrote: | | lakerfanatic wrote: | | 24 wrote: | The problem with the pack line is that it gives up the type of open 3's NBA shooters will kill you with.
Oh, and the 08 Celts ran the opposite of the pack line... |
I'd rather close out on the shooters than give up easy layups. Pack line is suppose to sag about one foot from the arc so contesting threes shouldn't be a problem. I think it will put more pressure on offenses to execute and space the floor to get a good shot. "Three's don't kill you - Open three's do".
Highest 3pt FG% this year is 47% by Korver. There are about 25 players at 40% or better.
Highest FG% this year is 67% by Deandre Jordan. There are about 27 player with 50% or better.
Looking at the second stat of high FG% player leads me to believe a lot are easy put backs, dunks or layups. I think concentrating on denying post ups and penetration is much more important than three point shot.
Also found this UW packline pdf online
My bad on the 08 Celts but read somewhere online it had the main principles of the Pack Line |
Pack line is weakest against 3s because that is what will open up. And that's in college with the shorter line. In the pros, you'd have to extend a few feet and this not have the tightest coverage, or you will have farther to go against even better shooters. |
It slays me when Sloan's name comes up. Here's a guy who is dyspeptic, drinks a lot, won't change his system for his star player (since that's the big MDA complaint), rants like a pirate and throws his players under the bus after bad games, hates the media scrutiny, is past 70. Sounds perfect!
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It slays me when Sloan's name comes up. Here's a guy who is dyspeptic, drinks a lot, won't change his system for his star player (since that's the big MDA complaint), rants like a pirate and throws his players under the bus after bad games, hates the media scrutiny, is past 70. Sounds perfect! |
So would a Chaz reference be appropriate? I still haven't gotten he hang of that.
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| 24 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | lakerfanatic wrote: | | 24 wrote: | The problem with the pack line is that it gives up the type of open 3's NBA shooters will kill you with.
Oh, and the 08 Celts ran the opposite of the pack line... |
I'd rather close out on the shooters than give up easy layups. Pack line is suppose to sag about one foot from the arc so contesting threes shouldn't be a problem. I think it will put more pressure on offenses to execute and space the floor to get a good shot. "Three's don't kill you - Open three's do".
Highest 3pt FG% this year is 47% by Korver. There are about 25 players at 40% or better.
Highest FG% this year is 67% by Deandre Jordan. There are about 27 player with 50% or better.
Looking at the second stat of high FG% player leads me to believe a lot are easy put backs, dunks or layups. I think concentrating on denying post ups and penetration is much more important than three point shot.
Also found this UW packline pdf online
My bad on the 08 Celts but read somewhere online it had the main principles of the Pack Line |
Pack line is weakest against 3s because that is what will open up. And that's in college with the shorter line. In the pros, you'd have to extend a few feet and this not have the tightest coverage, or you will have farther to go against even better shooters. |
It slays me when Sloan's name comes up. Here's a guy who is dyspeptic, drinks a lot, won't change his system for his star player (since that's the big MDA complaint), rants like a pirate and throws his players under the bus after bad games, hates the media scrutiny, is past 70. Sounds perfect! |
Sloan? Where did that come up?
Point taken on the 3s. I just want a defensive coach. |
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| lakerfanatic wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | lakerfanatic wrote: | | 24 wrote: | The problem with the pack line is that it gives up the type of open 3's NBA shooters will kill you with.
Oh, and the 08 Celts ran the opposite of the pack line... |
I'd rather close out on the shooters than give up easy layups. Pack line is suppose to sag about one foot from the arc so contesting threes shouldn't be a problem. I think it will put more pressure on offenses to execute and space the floor to get a good shot. "Three's don't kill you - Open three's do".
Highest 3pt FG% this year is 47% by Korver. There are about 25 players at 40% or better.
Highest FG% this year is 67% by Deandre Jordan. There are about 27 player with 50% or better.
Looking at the second stat of high FG% player leads me to believe a lot are easy put backs, dunks or layups. I think concentrating on denying post ups and penetration is much more important than three point shot.
Also found this UW packline pdf online
My bad on the 08 Celts but read somewhere online it had the main principles of the Pack Line |
Pack line is weakest against 3s because that is what will open up. And that's in college with the shorter line. In the pros, you'd have to extend a few feet and this not have the tightest coverage, or you will have farther to go against even better shooters. |
It slays me when Sloan's name comes up. Here's a guy who is dyspeptic, drinks a lot, won't change his system for his star player (since that's the big MDA complaint), rants like a pirate and throws his players under the bus after bad games, hates the media scrutiny, is past 70. Sounds perfect! |
Sloan? Where did that come up?
Point taken on the 3s. I just want a defensive coach. |
Sorry, quoted the wrong post. There was a post up there showing Sloan as the odds on favorite.
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FWIW, Thibs used a variant of the box and 1 on Kobe in 08, as well as a one man zone with KG (sagging off LO)
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| Bard207 wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | Maybe Rick Adelman |
Maybe and maybe not.
He is getting up in years and his wife has had some health issues, so he might be ready to retire.
Here is a nice read about him...
Measuring the layers of Rick Adelman's greatness |
That was a really nice read thanks....
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Thinking Jeff Van Gundy might be optimal at this point.
Preaches defense and a half court offense ... Kobe at this stage in his career needs a game that is slower.
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