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^ Interesting point. Why aren't teams with super rosters hiring the "offensive genius" MDA when he was available?
And last year's team, with Kobe/Nash/Pau/Dwight, wasn't this a "super team" that hired MDA (and yes there were some injuries too)?
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| postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
lol at he had a super team last year.
a team full of hurt old men?
dwight back from back surgery was not himself until later in the season.. disgruntled player that never wanted to be here from the start (MDA OR NOT). didnt like kobe's strong stance on how he should play in order for them to win. dwight was the best pick n roll big in the nba, paired with the best pick n roll coach in the nba. dwight asked for less pick n rolls and more low post touches. WHY? thats not his strength. thanks mr sabotager
kobe great on offense could lock up a guy on defense for maybe 3 games in a row then have to take off defensively for 10 games to recuperate. since nash couldnt guard a soul even when healthy.
that guy went down at the beginning of the season and still isnt right.
gasol in and out of the lineup with ailments.
you're talking about this team full of hurt bodies?
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Rk Player Age G
1 Kobe Bryant 34 78
2 Dwight Howard 27 76
3 Pau Gasol 32 49
4 Metta World Peace 33 75
5 Steve Nash 38 50
6 Steve Blake 32 45
7 Earl Clark 25 59
8 Antawn Jamison 36 76
9 Jodie Meeks 25 78
10 Chris Duhon 30 46
11 Jordan Hill 25 29
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look at the games played for a lot of those guys.
STOP IT..
you cant have a super team when they are never on the court together due to injury.
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| postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
lol at he had a super team last year.
a team full of hurt old men?
dwight back from back surgery was not himself until later in the season.. disgruntled player that never wanted to be here from the start (MDA OR NOT). didnt like kobe's strong stance on how he should play in order for them to win. dwight was the best pick n roll big in the nba, paired with the best pick n roll coach in the nba. dwight asked for less pick n rolls and more low post touches. WHY? thats not his strength. thanks mr sabotager
kobe great on offense could lock up a guy on defense for maybe 3 games in a row then have to take off defensively for 10 games to recuperate. since nash couldnt guard a soul even when healthy.
that guy went down at the beginning of the season and still isnt right.
gasol in and out of the lineup with ailments.
you're talking about this team full of hurt bodies?
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Rk Player Age G
1 Kobe Bryant 34 78
2 Dwight Howard 27 76
3 Pau Gasol 32 49
4 Metta World Peace 33 75
5 Steve Nash 38 50
6 Steve Blake 32 45
7 Earl Clark 25 59
8 Antawn Jamison 36 76
9 Jodie Meeks 25 78
10 Chris Duhon 30 46
11 Jordan Hill 25 29
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look at the games played for a lot of those guys.
STOP IT..
you cant have a super team when they are never on the court together due to injury. |
Knicks were older than them last year and made the second round.
Injuries could've been mitigated with slower pace (that suits roster) and consistent contained minutes (like Popovich does in SAS). |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | ^ Interesting point. Why aren't teams with super rosters hiring the "offensive genius" MDA when he was available?
And last year's team, with Kobe/Nash/Pau/Dwight, wasn't this a "super team" that hired MDA (and yes there were some injuries too)? |
there are not a lot of super teams out there. phil usually has those teams. Pop has the other. miami was just thrown together recently.
the lakers was SUPPOSED to be a super team and guess who they hired? the guy who was available..MDA.
so there goes your theory.
now i just explained this above so i wont go thru it again. why was our super team on paper not a super team in reality? INJURIES and sabotager dwight.
and dont ask me about his genius as if KOBE is a liar as if all the rest of the nba's stars are liars when what kobe said about what they would say if you asked them something about mda.
just because you blind yourself with the "i hate him" mentality. doesnt make what you believe true. i have quotes from a legend also saying other superstars would agree. so what makes you think, you know more then they do about mda?
does mda mesh well with ball hog melo? NOPE.
who does? it surely wasnt karl. who we can all agree is a solid coach.
at some point you have to blame melo for being melo the non defender ball stopper.
any of the prior knicks teams mda had before melo had suspect rosters with no star players. so again he was supposed to lose games.
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| kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
lol at he had a super team last year.
a team full of hurt old men?
dwight back from back surgery was not himself until later in the season.. disgruntled player that never wanted to be here from the start (MDA OR NOT). didnt like kobe's strong stance on how he should play in order for them to win. dwight was the best pick n roll big in the nba, paired with the best pick n roll coach in the nba. dwight asked for less pick n rolls and more low post touches. WHY? thats not his strength. thanks mr sabotager
kobe great on offense could lock up a guy on defense for maybe 3 games in a row then have to take off defensively for 10 games to recuperate. since nash couldnt guard a soul even when healthy.
that guy went down at the beginning of the season and still isnt right.
gasol in and out of the lineup with ailments.
you're talking about this team full of hurt bodies?
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Rk Player Age G
1 Kobe Bryant 34 78
2 Dwight Howard 27 76
3 Pau Gasol 32 49
4 Metta World Peace 33 75
5 Steve Nash 38 50
6 Steve Blake 32 45
7 Earl Clark 25 59
8 Antawn Jamison 36 76
9 Jodie Meeks 25 78
10 Chris Duhon 30 46
11 Jordan Hill 25 29
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look at the games played for a lot of those guys.
STOP IT..
you cant have a super team when they are never on the court together due to injury. |
Knicks were older than them last year and made the second round.
Injuries could've been mitigated with slower pace (that suits roster) and consistent contained minutes (like Popovich does in SAS). |
wait so the injuries were because of our fast pace? STOP IT. nash got hurt cause of pace? come on stop it folks. he bumped his knee playing basketball.
dwight had a bad back walking into the lakers locker room. he had a bad shoulder from getting stripped so much (THAT HIS OWN FAULT for showing the ball like that).
gasol was old and he's a big man. old bigmen always get hurt a lot.
especially those who have the job of being an offensive goto person.
so pace wouldnt change this. gasol got hurt under mike brown. remember gasol complaining about brown had them on their feet to much. drew had the same complaint. and you guys want thibs..L O L. the rumor is that thibs pushes his guys too hard in practice resulting in injuries. and thibs mostly has younger guys. and i like thibs and would take him over mda in a heart beat. but i'm not fool either. gasol was a guy waiting to get hurt no matter the coach.
guys missed games because they were injured and old. its that simple.
and again CONTEXT. who did the Knicks beat to get to the 2nd round? OLD and grey haired KG, pierce, with no ray allen(in miami) and No Rondo(HURT).
STOP IT
Who did the knicks lose to in the 1st round the year before? the HEAT(LBJ/WADE/BOSH)
who did the knicks lose to the year before that in the 1st round? (Boston- with pierce, KG, ray allen, and rondo).
STOP IT..
the knicks aint beating anyone they have no business beating. its that simple. they lost every single time they met up with a better opponent.
HORRIBLE ARGUMENT.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
lol at he had a super team last year.
a team full of hurt old men?
dwight back from back surgery was not himself until later in the season.. disgruntled player that never wanted to be here from the start (MDA OR NOT). didnt like kobe's strong stance on how he should play in order for them to win. dwight was the best pick n roll big in the nba, paired with the best pick n roll coach in the nba. dwight asked for less pick n rolls and more low post touches. WHY? thats not his strength. thanks mr sabotager
kobe great on offense could lock up a guy on defense for maybe 3 games in a row then have to take off defensively for 10 games to recuperate. since nash couldnt guard a soul even when healthy.
that guy went down at the beginning of the season and still isnt right.
gasol in and out of the lineup with ailments.
you're talking about this team full of hurt bodies?
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Rk Player Age G
1 Kobe Bryant 34 78
2 Dwight Howard 27 76
3 Pau Gasol 32 49
4 Metta World Peace 33 75
5 Steve Nash 38 50
6 Steve Blake 32 45
7 Earl Clark 25 59
8 Antawn Jamison 36 76
9 Jodie Meeks 25 78
10 Chris Duhon 30 46
11 Jordan Hill 25 29
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look at the games played for a lot of those guys.
STOP IT..
you cant have a super team when they are never on the court together due to injury. |
Knicks were older than them last year and made the second round.
Injuries could've been mitigated with slower pace (that suits roster) and consistent contained minutes (like Popovich does in SAS). |
wait so the injuries were because of our fast pace? STOP IT. nash got hurt cause of pace? come on stop it folks. he bumped his knee playing basketball.
dwight had a bad back walking into the lakers locker room. he had a bad shoulder from getting stripped so much (THAT HIS OWN FAULT for showing the ball like that).
gasol was old and he's a big man. old bigmen always get hurt a lot.
especially those who have the job of being an offensive goto person.
so pace wouldnt change this. gasol got hurt under mike brown. remember gasol complaining about brown had them on their feet to much. drew had the same complaint. and you guys want thibs..L O L. the rumor is that thibs pushes his guys too hard in practice resulting in injuries. and thibs mostly has younger guys. and i like thibs and would take him over mda in a heart beat. but i'm not fool either. gasol was a guy waiting to get hurt no matter the coach.
guys missed games because they were injured and old. its that simple. |
Then why have a training staff? Old people always get injured. So just only have young players, then you never have to deal with injuries. lol
Someone should tell Popovich, duncan, and ginobli you're old players always get hurt so you can't make the playoffs theory. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
lol at he had a super team last year.
a team full of hurt old men?
dwight back from back surgery was not himself until later in the season.. disgruntled player that never wanted to be here from the start (MDA OR NOT). didnt like kobe's strong stance on how he should play in order for them to win. dwight was the best pick n roll big in the nba, paired with the best pick n roll coach in the nba. dwight asked for less pick n rolls and more low post touches. WHY? thats not his strength. thanks mr sabotager
kobe great on offense could lock up a guy on defense for maybe 3 games in a row then have to take off defensively for 10 games to recuperate. since nash couldnt guard a soul even when healthy.
that guy went down at the beginning of the season and still isnt right.
gasol in and out of the lineup with ailments.
you're talking about this team full of hurt bodies?
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Rk Player Age G
1 Kobe Bryant 34 78
2 Dwight Howard 27 76
3 Pau Gasol 32 49
4 Metta World Peace 33 75
5 Steve Nash 38 50
6 Steve Blake 32 45
7 Earl Clark 25 59
8 Antawn Jamison 36 76
9 Jodie Meeks 25 78
10 Chris Duhon 30 46
11 Jordan Hill 25 29
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look at the games played for a lot of those guys.
STOP IT..
you cant have a super team when they are never on the court together due to injury. |
Knicks were older than them last year and made the second round.
Injuries could've been mitigated with slower pace (that suits roster) and consistent contained minutes (like Popovich does in SAS). |
wait so the injuries were because of our fast pace? STOP IT. nash got hurt cause of pace? come on stop it folks. he bumped his knee playing basketball.
dwight had a bad back walking into the lakers locker room. he had a bad shoulder from getting stripped so much (THAT HIS OWN FAULT for showing the ball like that).
gasol was old and he's a big man. old bigmen always get hurt a lot.
especially those who have the job of being an offensive goto person.
so pace wouldnt change this. gasol got hurt under mike brown. remember gasol complaining about brown had them on their feet to much. drew had the same complaint. and you guys want thibs..L O L. the rumor is that thibs pushes his guys too hard in practice resulting in injuries. and thibs mostly has younger guys. and i like thibs and would take him over mda in a heart beat. but i'm not fool either. gasol was a guy waiting to get hurt no matter the coach.
guys missed games because they were injured and old. its that simple. |
Then why have a training staff? Old people always get injured. So just only have young players, then you never have to deal with injuries. lol
Someone should tell Popovich, duncan, and ginobli you're old players always get hurt so you can't make the playoffs theory. |
its not a theory its a fact.
the lakers bench vs the spurs bench. i mean we had Darius morris playing. lol. that guy SUCKS. the spurs bench is full of younger better guys then we had when had our team 2 seasons ago. which means the starters (old vets) can play less mins. you cant just play old guys less mins if your bench SUCKS. you will lose every game and completely waste your vets energy they have expended in the first half or so to get a lead or keep you close.
again CONTEXT. stop trying to say something outside of context to get a rise out of people.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | context. i already answered this question. spin it as much as you can. because you know you are making a poor argument.
WHO DID MDA PLAY, what was his roster vs the roster he lost to.
if he played the super heat. what did you expect?
if he played the spurs what did you expect?
GIVE mda a super roster and he loses to a lesser roster or chokes. then we can talk about how he isnt a good coach. but until then. i aint buying it. |
Last year he had a super team. There are only 1 to 2 super teams in the league at a time.
So by your logic, you can't judge 28 out of the 30 coaches in the league because they don't have the best 2 rosters. |
lol at he had a super team last year.
a team full of hurt old men?
dwight back from back surgery was not himself until later in the season.. disgruntled player that never wanted to be here from the start (MDA OR NOT). didnt like kobe's strong stance on how he should play in order for them to win. dwight was the best pick n roll big in the nba, paired with the best pick n roll coach in the nba. dwight asked for less pick n rolls and more low post touches. WHY? thats not his strength. thanks mr sabotager
kobe great on offense could lock up a guy on defense for maybe 3 games in a row then have to take off defensively for 10 games to recuperate. since nash couldnt guard a soul even when healthy.
that guy went down at the beginning of the season and still isnt right.
gasol in and out of the lineup with ailments.
you're talking about this team full of hurt bodies?
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Rk Player Age G
1 Kobe Bryant 34 78
2 Dwight Howard 27 76
3 Pau Gasol 32 49
4 Metta World Peace 33 75
5 Steve Nash 38 50
6 Steve Blake 32 45
7 Earl Clark 25 59
8 Antawn Jamison 36 76
9 Jodie Meeks 25 78
10 Chris Duhon 30 46
11 Jordan Hill 25 29
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look at the games played for a lot of those guys.
STOP IT..
you cant have a super team when they are never on the court together due to injury. |
Knicks were older than them last year and made the second round.
Injuries could've been mitigated with slower pace (that suits roster) and consistent contained minutes (like Popovich does in SAS). |
wait so the injuries were because of our fast pace? STOP IT. nash got hurt cause of pace? come on stop it folks. he bumped his knee playing basketball.
dwight had a bad back walking into the lakers locker room. he had a bad shoulder from getting stripped so much (THAT HIS OWN FAULT for showing the ball like that).
gasol was old and he's a big man. old bigmen always get hurt a lot.
especially those who have the job of being an offensive goto person.
so pace wouldnt change this. gasol got hurt under mike brown. remember gasol complaining about brown had them on their feet to much. drew had the same complaint. and you guys want thibs..L O L. the rumor is that thibs pushes his guys too hard in practice resulting in injuries. and thibs mostly has younger guys. and i like thibs and would take him over mda in a heart beat. but i'm not fool either. gasol was a guy waiting to get hurt no matter the coach.
guys missed games because they were injured and old. its that simple. |
Then why have a training staff? Old people always get injured. So just only have young players, then you never have to deal with injuries. lol
Someone should tell Popovich, duncan, and ginobli you're old players always get hurt so you can't make the playoffs theory. |
its not a theory its a fact.
the lakers bench vs the spurs bench. i mean we had Darius morris playing. lol. that guy SUCKS. the spurs bench is full of younger better guys then we had when had our team 2 seasons ago. which means the starters (old vets) can play less mins. you cant just play old guys less mins if your bench SUCKS. you will lose every game and completely waste your vets energy they have expended in the first half or so to get a lead or keep you close.
again CONTEXT. stop trying to say something outside of context to get a rise out of people. |
I could say the same to you.
I thought making scrub bench players better was MDA's specialty? I thought that's the whole point of the run and gun offense. So if the bench "sucks" and the vet players don't want to play in his system. What is he doing well? |
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| I believe MDA is jinxed. There are those people who just have bad timing things happen to them. If you ask Nash, Blake, Young, guys like that, they would say they love MDA. His offense allows them to ball. Thats what these guys like to do. Unfortunatly, his style and luck dont work for winning titles. |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | cathy78 wrote: | Seriously postandpivot? Are you related to MDA in some way? Do you get payed for this? Because there is no other reason why you would defend MDA's "coaching" that much.
You defend him on the basis of "we have old, bad or dleague players and a lot of injuries". Fine, maybe they all aren't superstars. Maybe there was some bad luck involved with the injuries.
But where are the examples of him doing good coaching? |
lol. hi i'm MDA's other brotha 
you want examples of his good coaching.
fine. what was our record before kobe came back?
and before everyone started dropping like flies?
then name the guys on that roster. name me a star player. not a guy who USE to be a star. name me a current star player on that roster. then throw in the fact we're in the western conf(best conf by far). and you can see that MDA isnt some horrific coach you guys make him out to be.
its funny to me how you guys want to push the "MDA IS AWFUL" agenda so hard to the point where you attempt to make light of the injuries. you say things like "sure we have had injuries but.." THERE IS NO BUT. we have had record breaking injuries this season and last. but this one is far worse. every time we get a guy or two back. a guy or two goes down. and thats not an exaggeration.
2 in.. 2 out.
how on earth are you to develop chemistry with that kind of injury frequency?
how can you even matchup to better teams if your best players(who are not stars) cant even suit up cause they're hurt?
how do you think we are supposed to beat the clippers with a dleague point guard starting? vs a legendary guard in cp3?
take everyone off the clips. everyone off the lakers. and just leave marshall and paul.
let them go head up. 1 vs 1. what would the score be? a 30 or 40 point whoopin. sound familiar?
thats the distance in HEALTHY talent we had on our roster in comparison to other teams rosters.
we didnt have the horses to begin with. then the best horses we had all went down at some point during the season. some with major injuries that took them out for 3+ weeks. some 6+. then they come back, then fall back off again.
how can someone downplay this? well you know how. to push an agenda. |
I don't downplay anything. The Lakers had a record number of injuries. There are no big not permanently injured names on the roster.
I do give MDA credit for some of his offensive thinking. He had some great out of bounds plays the last two years. I even think he is right with his "the ball finds energy" and "success on offense gives effort on defense".
But I don't care a lot about x's and o's. It's the soft skills that make the difference.
He is still not a (head)coach in my opinion. He can't handle the media. He can't handle players with big egos. He seems to have a lot of "italian" in him - not at all helpfull outside of Italy.
He might even be an offensive genius. But the problem about a genius is often that they are too focused on one single thing. He leaves out teaching defense. He leaves out teaching fundamentals. He leaves out teaching all aspects of basketball (like post play). Etc.
He cannot put together a system for the players he has and use them to their strength. He needs players for his system. That is not coaching.
He has no idea how to handle minutes of players. Or know who to put on the bench (I do understand that he didn't have too much to choose from all the time).
He doesn't set a culture, a tone. It just seems all over the place. There is no urgency, no responsibility. I don't even want to imagine how he cannot guide a rookie in basketball nor in real life.
As I said before. He is not a coach, not even close to a head coach. He would make a good offensive coordinator. Something like a Tex Winter role.
I don't think he is awful. I don't have an agenda. I have an opinion. I don't like his coaching style, his approach to basketball. I don't like him as a person. And I don't like him in the position of a head coach. I wouldn't even fire him. Just give him the correct position in the coaching staff. He won't take it and get pissed and might leave. But I doubt he will get a lot of head coaching jobs after failing in NY and having two very bad/unpopular seasons in LA. |
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| cathy78 wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | cathy78 wrote: | Seriously postandpivot? Are you related to MDA in some way? Do you get payed for this? Because there is no other reason why you would defend MDA's "coaching" that much.
You defend him on the basis of "we have old, bad or dleague players and a lot of injuries". Fine, maybe they all aren't superstars. Maybe there was some bad luck involved with the injuries.
But where are the examples of him doing good coaching? |
lol. hi i'm MDA's other brotha
you want examples of his good coaching.
fine. what was our record before kobe came back?
and before everyone started dropping like flies?
then name the guys on that roster. name me a star player. not a guy who USE to be a star. name me a current star player on that roster. then throw in the fact we're in the western conf(best conf by far). and you can see that MDA isnt some horrific coach you guys make him out to be.
its funny to me how you guys want to push the "MDA IS AWFUL" agenda so hard to the point where you attempt to make light of the injuries. you say things like "sure we have had injuries but.." THERE IS NO BUT. we have had record breaking injuries this season and last. but this one is far worse. every time we get a guy or two back. a guy or two goes down. and thats not an exaggeration.
2 in.. 2 out.
how on earth are you to develop chemistry with that kind of injury frequency?
how can you even matchup to better teams if your best players(who are not stars) cant even suit up cause they're hurt?
how do you think we are supposed to beat the clippers with a dleague point guard starting? vs a legendary guard in cp3?
take everyone off the clips. everyone off the lakers. and just leave marshall and paul.
let them go head up. 1 vs 1. what would the score be? a 30 or 40 point whoopin. sound familiar?
thats the distance in HEALTHY talent we had on our roster in comparison to other teams rosters.
we didnt have the horses to begin with. then the best horses we had all went down at some point during the season. some with major injuries that took them out for 3+ weeks. some 6+. then they come back, then fall back off again.
how can someone downplay this? well you know how. to push an agenda. |
I don't downplay anything. The Lakers had a record number of injuries. There are no big not permanently injured names on the roster.
I do give MDA credit for some of his offensive thinking. He had some great out of bounds plays the last two years. I even think he is right with his "the ball finds energy" and "success on offense gives effort on defense".
But I don't care a lot about x's and o's. It's the soft skills that make the difference.
He is still not a (head)coach in my opinion. He can't handle the media. He can't handle players with big egos. He seems to have a lot of "italian" in him - not at all helpfull outside of Italy.
He might even be an offensive genius. But the problem about a genius is often that they are too focused on one single thing. He leaves out teaching defense. He leaves out teaching fundamentals. He leaves out teaching all aspects of basketball (like post play). Etc.
He cannot put together a system for the players he has and use them to their strength. He needs players for his system. That is not coaching.
He has no idea how to handle minutes of players. Or know who to put on the bench (I do understand that he didn't have too much to choose from all the time).
He doesn't set a culture, a tone. It just seems all over the place. There is no urgency, no responsibility. I don't even want to imagine how he cannot guide a rookie in basketball nor in real life.
As I said before. He is not a coach, not even close to a head coach. He would make a good offensive coordinator. Something like a Tex Winter role.
I don't think he is awful. I don't have an agenda. I have an opinion. I don't like his coaching style, his approach to basketball. I don't like him as a person. And I don't like him in the position of a head coach. I wouldn't even fire him. Just give him the correct position in the coaching staff. He won't take it and get pissed and might leave. But I doubt he will get a lot of head coaching jobs after failing in NY and having two very bad/unpopular seasons in LA. |
i can live with mda as an offensive coordinator. but then you have to ask yourself is thibs a great head coach? or is he just a great defensive asst?
cause as i see it thibs looks great on defense in the LEASTERN CONF when he has that anchor in the middle and a few wing defenders.
as much as i love thibs. i know darn well gasol would not help his cause if he were a lakers coach. nor would kendal or nash with their turnstile defense.
we keep saying MDA cant handle egos. lets see, he sure enough handled all those allstars in phoenix.
oh i know because him and melo didnt work. again WHO THE HECK IS MELO? what has he won? NOTHING.
i like melo. but i'm a realist. melo holds the ball to darn much. he needs to move it along a lot more. he doesnt want to. so who's fault is that? there is no way to make a guy like him move the ball. unless you're already sitting on 5 rings. then MAYBE he might listen(pjax, coach Pop and maybe riles).
sorry mda doesnt have 5 rings. not his fault. he has never lucked into a super team roster like those 3 coaches either.
oh are you guys talking about because he couldnt manage dwights ego, along with gasol and kobe.
here's how this goes.
kobe has 5 rings, gasol has 2. you aint managing these guys if you the coach are not sitting on multiple rings. you're not. cause as long as you are losing games. they will start to revert back to what they think use to work when they were winning rings. even if they are too old now to play that way. they will still revert back. even if the entire team isnt setup to run that way successfully. they will still attempt to run that kind of basketball.
phil jackson has never gotten the respect of guys with rings when he didnt have any. he went to a team with no rings and helped them grown. he came to the lakers with rings and made shaq/kobe buy in cause phil had 6 of them.
riles grew with the showtime lakers. now he can go anywhere and players will listen just cause of those rings.
greg pop can go anywhere and guys will listen no matter how big the ego.
these other solid coaches will not be able to get winners to buy in unless what they are doing is producing a lot of wins.
and lets address gasol. gasol is soft and he's getting softer as he ages. i'm glad mda handled him the way he did. it was about time someone did it. it didnt break his spirits. he actually played harder after mda brought him off the bench. but who will admit to this that doesnt like mda as a head coach? no one.
phil could no longer inspire gasol(punch in the chest mid sweep).
So in reality. we dont know if mda is a great head coach or not because he has never had the luxury of a stacked team that was better then every team in the nba like pop, phil and riles has had.
i remember riles in new york. roster wasnt good enough to win it all. and guess what he did? he surely didnt win it all.
someone else won it. the coach with the best talent.
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