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JerryMagicKobe
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | dirka dirka wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | dirka dirka wrote: | | Gonna /eyeroll the Hill bashing. |
Not sure why evidence based stuff is bashing. I know it is popular to assume everything is the result of bad MDA and jim buss. But there is analysis to be made beyond that. Hill is a horrible help defender, loses steam with regular minutes, and has a well documented lack of hoop IQ. That is totally separate of whatever you think of MDA. |
Sure, coaching has nothing to do with it, beyond just the fact that very few NBA players lack flaws.
Bash away chief. |
Not sure why it is an either or situation. But then again, I'm not operating from anger looking for a single focus. Just analyzing a player independent of other issues. |
And that's where you make your mistake.
If I have learned nothing else from LG, it's that there is always one thing to blame when something goes wrong. Not a combination of events or situations, just one.
You need to learn that and focus on that one thing. Really get at it. Take a sledgehammer to it. Over and over again. Don't ever stop. If someone takes away your sledgehammer, then go get another one. If you can't find one, any blunt object will suffice. |
Great. Another shot at Jim. |
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So now we see what would have happened if Jim Buss was not involved. Jeannie is the one who would go to the ailing Dr. Buss to insist that Phil Jackson should take over for Mike Brown.
Jackson takes Kobe/Howard/Pau at least to the WCF, and either stays on another season or brings in Steve Kerr to take over as coach as he is bumped up to the FO.
Lakers remain a title contender and a tempting place for talented FA's to take a paycut to play here.
Instead, Jim Buss lobbies hard to bring in Mike D'Antoni and the franchise drives straight into a brick wall.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| mugwump wrote: | So now we see what would have happened if Jim Buss was not involved. Jeannie is the one who would go to the ailing Dr. Buss to insist that Phil Jackson should take over for Mike Brown.
Jackson takes Kobe/Howard/Pau at least to the WCF, and either stays on another season or brings in Steve Kerr to take over as coach as he is bumped up to the FO.
Lakers remain a title contender and a tempting place for talented FA's to take a paycut to play here.
Instead, Jim Buss lobbies hard to bring in Mike D'Antoni and the franchise drives straight into a brick wall. |
Huh?
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K28
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I've said this before, to the fans thinking it couldn't get worse, and that this is rock bottom.
This isn't rock bottom.
The nightmare has just begun. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JVG's trick was to just slow the game down and muck it up. So you might only give up 95 while scoring 90. Unless he has learned a different scheme since then. I would pass only because he has been away from the game so long. |
maybe being away taught him a thing or 2 about offense?
who are u targeting VLF? |
I want to see someone new, Ollie or Calipari. Maybe an assistant from another team, though I haven't looked hard at that yet. Maybe go for Chip Engelland from Pop's staff, former LA guy who is great at teaching shooting (hint hint Marcus Smart) and played for Coach K at Duke.
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| mugwump wrote: | So now we see what would have happened if Jim Buss was not involved. Jeannie is the one who would go to the ailing Dr. Buss to insist that Phil Jackson should take over for Mike Brown.
Jackson takes Kobe/Howard/Pau at least to the WCF, and either stays on another season or brings in Steve Kerr to take over as coach as he is bumped up to the FO.
Lakers remain a title contender and a tempting place for talented FA's to take a paycut to play here.
Instead, Jim Buss lobbies hard to bring in Mike D'Antoni and the franchise drives straight into a brick wall. |
Nice fantasy, but you missed the part where Dr. Buss knew his time was short, and didn't want any possibility that Phil could hone in on his kids with his team. So that is all you have, fantasy.
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| kray28_ wrote: | I've said this before, to the fans thinking it couldn't get worse, and that this is rock bottom.
This isn't rock bottom.
The nightmare has just begun. |
Considering next season will be better, I think rock bottom is where we are.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | I've said this before, to the fans thinking it couldn't get worse, and that this is rock bottom.
This isn't rock bottom.
The nightmare has just begun. |
Considering next season will be better, I think rock bottom is where we are. |
Next season could be more of the same tbh. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | I've said this before, to the fans thinking it couldn't get worse, and that this is rock bottom.
This isn't rock bottom.
The nightmare has just begun. |
Considering next season will be better, I think rock bottom is where we are. |
Does that mean you will bet the over again in the season wins pool? |
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I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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I honestly don't think Kobe will be playing next season for MDA.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I honestly don't think Kobe will be playing next season for MDA. |
I pray you are right.
I know it's debatable these injuries were caused by coaching. But after having the second most injured roster of all time. Even if it is bad luck, mix up the equation. It's been 2 straight years of injuries. And we've had a lot of roster turnover in the past 2 years. I would blame the training staff, but they didn't have this problem with previous rosters. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
If a new coach is hired, and Kobe is injured, will you blame that coach?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
If a new coach is hired, and Kobe is injured, will you blame that coach? |
Not the first 2 times. But the third time in 3 seasons? Yes |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JVG's trick was to just slow the game down and muck it up. So you might only give up 95 while scoring 90. Unless he has learned a different scheme since then. I would pass only because he has been away from the game so long. |
maybe being away taught him a thing or 2 about offense?
who are u targeting VLF? |
I want to see someone new, Ollie or Calipari. Maybe an assistant from another team, though I haven't looked hard at that yet. Maybe go for Chip Engelland from Pop's staff, former LA guy who is great at teaching shooting (hint hint Marcus Smart) and played for Coach K at Duke. |
I will be ok with either of Ollie or Calipari. didn't know about Chip. will look |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
Hold on there, you already flat out called the playoffs without all the ifs, ands, and butts .. backpedaling now. Getting weak in the knees? |
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| 24 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
If a new coach is hired, and Kobe is injured, will you blame that coach? |
And if a new coach is hired, and Kobe was injured, why did the FO blame this coach? and will the FO blame that coach? |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| _#1_ wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
If a new coach is hired, and Kobe is injured, will you blame that coach? |
And if a new coach is hired, and Kobe was injured, why did the FO blame this coach? and will the FO blame that coach? |
Not sure I follow. I'm simply asking if what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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| 24 wrote: | | _#1_ wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
If a new coach is hired, and Kobe is injured, will you blame that coach? |
And if a new coach is hired, and Kobe was injured, why did the FO blame this coach? and will the FO blame that coach? |
Not sure I follow. I'm simply asking if what is good for the goose is good for the gander. |
If Antoni is fired, ie.. a new coach gets hired, why did the FO blame him? as in firing him.
Secondly, if he is let go, will they then do the same for the next new hire if Kobe gets injured next season, ie same question you asked the psoter. |
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| kray28_ wrote: | I've said this before, to the fans thinking it couldn't get worse, and that this is rock bottom.
This isn't rock bottom.
The nightmare has just begun. |
Maybe all I can say in Kobe I trust. A healthy Kobe will change a lot of things, and neutralize MDA and make him a non-factor. |
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | I've said this before, to the fans thinking it couldn't get worse, and that this is rock bottom.
This isn't rock bottom.
The nightmare has just begun. |
Maybe all I can say in Kobe I trust. A healthy Kobe will change a lot of things, and neutralize MDA and make him a non-factor. |
In D'Antoni's system, even young guys get run into the ground. How long is Kobe going to be able to last?
I trust Kobe too, I just don't trust his body anymore. |
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Lakers need to move on form MDA sooner than later. The lakers are beating big on Kobe, with his massive contract, for a few more seasons and MDA does not seem to have his confidence...
On the other hand, how many big men would really want to play under a system that does not let them progress...I fear players start crossing the Lakers off before the layoffs are over... |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | JVG's trick was to just slow the game down and muck it up. So you might only give up 95 while scoring 90. Unless he has learned a different scheme since then. I would pass only because he has been away from the game so long. |
maybe being away taught him a thing or 2 about offense?
who are u targeting VLF? |
I want to see someone new, Ollie or Calipari. Maybe an assistant from another team, though I haven't looked hard at that yet. Maybe go for Chip Engelland from Pop's staff, former LA guy who is great at teaching shooting (hint hint Marcus Smart) and played for Coach K at Duke. |
I will be ok with either of Ollie or Calipari. didn't know about Chip. will look |
I only know about his background and that the Spurs are high on him. I admit I don't know what types of offenses and defenses he plays. Hopefully some Pop has entered his head. He does have a reputation as a very good shooting coach.
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| 24 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think we have a healthy Kobe next year, and that would mean a better season. Kobe has been challenged and is already working on succeeding with that challenge. He might not be the Kobe of 2010, but I think he will still be a top 10 player in the league next season. The wildcard is the draft pick, if he produces quickly I think the playoffs are a possibility. |
I agree.
*Barring another injury riddled season. If kobe suffers another major injury under MDA I might lose it. |
If a new coach is hired, and Kobe is injured, will you blame that coach? |
No, one would still blame MDA. |
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