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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: New Age of NBA PGs? |
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We're seeing a lot of big PGs coming into the NBA.
6'6" Michael Carter-Williams
6'6" Dante Exum
6'4" Marcus Smart
6'5" Andrew Harrison
6'4" Emmanual Mudiay
Draft Express has 5 PGs 6'4" or taller getting drafted in 2014. 6 in 2015.
Are we about to see a new age of PGs? |
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70sdude Star Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:19 am Post subject: |
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What comes to mind on this topic isn't the story of moderate rare successes of those somewhat tall-ish PGs, but rather that very "mixed" level of success among them. Few studs like that in the NBA today, or to me, likely.
From your list and others, I count up most recent combo large-ish PGs drafted and see many struggling to make their way in the league in two seasons, from the past two drafts. Notably, I'd add:
Jared Cunningham, Arch Goodwin, Tony Wroten.
Commonalities seen: early outs from college and neither a pure PG nor a suitable-sized off guard of at least one of the commonly needed skills or attributes for second guard roles: icy jump shooter, lock-down defender, hyper athletic hops or speed, freakish length.
Conclusion offered: "tweener-sized" or combo guards who made their ticket based on dribble penetration better stay in school unless they're better prepared than this for point guard duty or have a the juice to cut it as the Two. |
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postandpivot Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:59 am Post subject: Re: New Age of NBA PGs? |
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kaoss128 wrote: | We're seeing a lot of big PGs coming into the NBA.
6'6" Michael Carter-Williams
6'6" Dante Exum
6'4" Marcus Smart
6'5" Andrew Harrison
6'4" Emmanual Mudiay
Draft Express has 5 PGs 6'4" or taller getting drafted in 2014. 6 in 2015.
Are we about to see a new age of PGs? | the nba is tired of having these short shooting guards playing virtual point. so might as well get a real sg guy to run point. 6'4 guys are probably being groomed to run point since they are technically too short for the nba sg spot. unless they have super long arms and are crazy athletic(dwade). _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Ideal height is like this:
PG 6'4
SG 6'6
SF 6'8
PF 6'10
C 7'0 _________________ Kobe |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: New Age of NBA PGs? |
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postandpivot wrote: | kaoss128 wrote: | We're seeing a lot of big PGs coming into the NBA.
6'6" Michael Carter-Williams
6'6" Dante Exum
6'4" Marcus Smart
6'5" Andrew Harrison
6'4" Emmanual Mudiay
Draft Express has 5 PGs 6'4" or taller getting drafted in 2014. 6 in 2015.
Are we about to see a new age of PGs? | the nba is tired of having these short shooting guards playing virtual point. so might as well get a real sg guy to run point. 6'4 guys are probably being groomed to run point since they are technically too short for the nba sg spot. unless they have super long arms and are crazy athletic(dwade). |
Of those guys, MCW is the true PG. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
https://lakersdraft.substack.com/
I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans. |
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ElginBaylor Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget the greatest pg of all time was 6'9" _________________ Not a legend |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: New Age of NBA PGs? |
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Mike@LG wrote: | postandpivot wrote: | kaoss128 wrote: | We're seeing a lot of big PGs coming into the NBA.
6'6" Michael Carter-Williams
6'6" Dante Exum
6'4" Marcus Smart
6'5" Andrew Harrison
6'4" Emmanual Mudiay
Draft Express has 5 PGs 6'4" or taller getting drafted in 2014. 6 in 2015.
Are we about to see a new age of PGs? | the nba is tired of having these short shooting guards playing virtual point. so might as well get a real sg guy to run point. 6'4 guys are probably being groomed to run point since they are technically too short for the nba sg spot. unless they have super long arms and are crazy athletic(dwade). |
Of those guys, MCW is the true PG. |
Is MCW that big? Whoa. I always thought he was more like 6'4 ish. IIRC Jrue Holiday is a big PG too at 6'4. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: New Age of NBA PGs? |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | postandpivot wrote: | kaoss128 wrote: | We're seeing a lot of big PGs coming into the NBA.
6'6" Michael Carter-Williams
6'6" Dante Exum
6'4" Marcus Smart
6'5" Andrew Harrison
6'4" Emmanual Mudiay
Draft Express has 5 PGs 6'4" or taller getting drafted in 2014. 6 in 2015.
Are we about to see a new age of PGs? | the nba is tired of having these short shooting guards playing virtual point. so might as well get a real sg guy to run point. 6'4 guys are probably being groomed to run point since they are technically too short for the nba sg spot. unless they have super long arms and are crazy athletic(dwade). |
Of those guys, MCW is the true PG. |
Is MCW that big? Whoa. I always thought he was more like 6'4 ish. IIRC Jrue Holiday is a big PG too at 6'4. |
Holiday is 6'4". John Wall is 6'4" as well. |
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Wilkes52 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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I see no trend in this league towards greater success for these "bigger" point guards. The best six or seven PGs of the past decade are all under 6'4" and four of the six by two or more inches apiece:
R-Rondo 6'1" 175
C-Paul 6'0" 175
D-Rose 6'3" 190
R-Westbrook 6'3" 185
T-Parker 6'2" 175
C-Billups 6'3" 190
S-Nash 6'2" 170
Even Dwayne Wade is no PG. He's undersized shooting guard who has won his titles while next to smaller guards of PG skills: Chalmers, Jason Williams, Payton) and an enormous point-forward in LeBron. |
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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Wilkes52 wrote: | I see no trend in this league towards greater success for these "bigger" point guards. The best six or seven PGs of the past decade are all under 6'4" and four of the six by two or more inches apiece:
R-Rondo 6'1" 175
C-Paul 6'0" 175
D-Rose 6'3" 190
R-Westbrook 6'3" 185
T-Parker 6'2" 175
C-Billups 6'3" 190
S-Nash 6'2" 170
Even Dwayne Wade is no PG. He's undersized shooting guard who has won his titles while next to smaller guards of PG skills: Chalmers, Jason Williams, Payton) and an enormous point-forward in LeBron. |
You missed the point. It's not about the past decade. We're starting to see an influx of a lot of big PGs. |
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Wilkes52 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:53 am Post subject: |
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kaoss128 wrote: | Wilkes52 wrote: | I see no trend in this league towards greater success for these "bigger" point guards. The best six or seven PGs of the past decade are all under 6'4" and four of the six by two or more inches apiece:
R-Rondo 6'1" 175
C-Paul 6'0" 175
D-Rose 6'3" 190
R-Westbrook 6'3" 185
T-Parker 6'2" 175
C-Billups 6'3" 190
S-Nash 6'2" 170
Even Dwayne Wade is no PG. He's undersized shooting guard who has won his titles while next to smaller guards of PG skills: Chalmers, Jason Williams, Payton) and an enormous point-forward in LeBron. |
You missed the point. It's not about the past decade. We're starting to see an influx of a lot of big PGs. |
No, my point was exactly that: the point guard talent in the league shows is no more of influx of big PGs who are any good than there is of small ones, and in fact the converse is more true.
There is only one guy, an isolated example, a one season example of success, in Carter-Williams. If that represents the basis of a new trend to you, I just disagree that he's the bellwether; he's the outlier. |
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Romano338 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure this is really a trend. Need to see more. Right now, only MCW is one. The others aren't NBA players, and exept Smart and Exum if a team put him PG, the others might only be bench guys.
Who knows.
But I'm not sure we can for sure see a trend of tall PG right now. To soon to say. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: |
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As we saw last night, just because you are tall and are given PG duties doesn't mean you are a true PG and excel at that position. Andrew Harrison was scared to bring that ball up against Napier or Boatright. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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nah |
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Jajwanda Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm....
Maybe you pick the guy that can lock them all down?
Smart move. |
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70sdude Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Spent a little time browsing stat lines of rooks from the past three seasons. The best incoming PGs of that period shared one comonality: 6'3" and under, with the exception of Carter-Williams.
In the upcoming draft, the three popular PG "prospects" standing over 6'3" (Exum, LaVine, Anderson) each carry severe game limitations unique to each player. I doubt Anderson or LaVine produce much as point guards in their first two NBA seasons; Anderson looks too slow and LaVine looks to lack the heady play that good point guards pull off at this level. |
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lakerfanaticPT Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Trade the 7 pick to Sixers for MCW and the 10 pick |
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Daddy Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Trade the 7 pick to Sixers for MCW and the 10 pick |
That is a fantastic idea but highly doubt Sixers will do that |
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ElginBaylor wrote: | Don't forget the greatest pg of all time was 6'9" |
This. |
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Jajwanda Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Would you do the 7th for MCW plus someone else? |
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