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 Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject: Looking for a new job while still employed (or just recently hired) |
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Hi all,
I just started a new job a few days ago - On my way to work, as I was getting out of my car, I got a call about a resume I submitted. It ended up being a job that I applied for a few weeks ago. Since I needed to get to work quickly, I strongly hinted that I already was taken in on another job, while at the same time still expressing my interest to explore their position.
Although it's not the programming job that I want (I'm still in school anyway), it's a more technical job than the current one, and it pays better. My main concern is that I don't want them to look at me like a flip-flopper, that I just go from job to job on a whim, and that I would do the same to them. Not sure if I should mention it to them anymore, or what. The fact that I would need an early interview, and wouldn't be available otherwise, might be an obvious clue, in itself. Would appreciate any tips you guys have.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a new job while still employed (or just recently hired) |
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If it's a better situation and stability isn't an issue... go for it. Maybe you could tell them you took the current job as a favor to a friend to help out until you found somethin "permanent". ???
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| Youre really not obligated to that company for anything other than your services that they pay for. Trust me, most employers look at you in the same sense. One thing ive learned when it comes to work, is that loyalty is mostly illusion. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a new job while still employed (or just recently hired) |
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| leor_77 wrote: | Hi all,
I just started a new job a few days ago - On my way to work, as I was getting out of my car, I got a call about a resume I submitted. It ended up being a job that I applied for a few weeks ago. Since I needed to get to work quickly, I strongly hinted that I already was taken in on another job, while at the same time still expressing my interest to explore their position.
Although it's not the programming job that I want (I'm still in school anyway), it's a more technical job than the current one, and it pays better. My main concern is that I don't want them to look at me like a flip-flopper, that I just go from job to job on a whim, and that I would do the same to them. Not sure if I should mention it to them anymore, or what. The fact that I would need an early interview, and wouldn't be available otherwise, might be an obvious clue, in itself. Would appreciate any tips you guys have.
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It pays more and it's better use of my skills? I'd take it.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a new job while still employed (or just recently hired) |
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| leor_77 wrote: | Hi all,
I just started a new job a few days ago - On my way to work, as I was getting out of my car, I got a call about a resume I submitted. It ended up being a job that I applied for a few weeks ago. Since I needed to get to work quickly, I strongly hinted that I already was taken in on another job, while at the same time still expressing my interest to explore their position.
Although it's not the programming job that I want (I'm still in school anyway), it's a more technical job than the current one, and it pays better. My main concern is that I don't want them to look at me like a flip-flopper, that I just go from job to job on a whim, and that I would do the same to them. Not sure if I should mention it to them anymore, or what. The fact that I would need an early interview, and wouldn't be available otherwise, might be an obvious clue, in itself. Would appreciate any tips you guys have.
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Be candid, confident and honest. Tell them like you told us, and trust that the veterans within your industry understand what it is/was like to be an entry-level employee. Look them right in the eye and tell them that you want to be a programmer, and that you are willing to accept their offer in order to reach your goal. |
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Some employers may (bleep) about it. Some may not. The senior partner at a law firm I worked at was appreciative of my desire to return to medicine, probably because he sorta wished he could've gone that route when he was younger. On the flip side, I had an ophthalmologist flip out when I said I was leaving for a research project that paid more, meant I wouldn't have to travel to Glendale after they wanted me to transfer to that office the next week, and had better benefits.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Looking for a new job while still employed (or just recently hired) |
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| leor_77 wrote: | Hi all,
I just started a new job a few days ago - On my way to work, as I was getting out of my car, I got a call about a resume I submitted. It ended up being a job that I applied for a few weeks ago. Since I needed to get to work quickly, I strongly hinted that I already was taken in on another job, while at the same time still expressing my interest to explore their position.
Although it's not the programming job that I want (I'm still in school anyway), it's a more technical job than the current one, and it pays better. My main concern is that I don't want them to look at me like a flip-flopper, that I just go from job to job on a whim, and that I would do the same to them. Not sure if I should mention it to them anymore, or what. The fact that I would need an early interview, and wouldn't be available otherwise, might be an obvious clue, in itself. Would appreciate any tips you guys have.
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What you would do here is tell the company that called you that you've already accepted a position with a different company, but that originally, you were really hoping to hear back from them. (Basically, you're going to tell them they were your original #1 choice). And then you tell them that despite the fact that you've already accepted a new role somewhere else, you'd be open to discussing with them the position and your background.
If it all works out, you just make the switch and then don't even put your very short stint with your current company on your resume. |
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Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
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| marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
This. Be honest because it really goes much more inline with what you want to do as a career and not necessarily just a job. |
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| shansen008 wrote: | | Youre really not obligated to that company for anything other than your services that they pay for. Trust me, most employers look at you in the same sense. One thing ive learned when it comes to work, is that loyalty is mostly illusion. |
That was not what I was taught nor is it what we practice in my business. Loyalty is everything and that's why a majority of my employees have been with us since day 1. Of course, loyalty is a 2 way street.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
Well, if they really need the position, they're not going to respect you for it. They'll be annoyed that they have to go through the whole rigmarole hiring process again (and training) just because you found something better.
But who cares? You're not going to use them as a work reference since you never really worked with them anyway. Do what you need to do for you and your family. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
Well, if they really need the position, they're not going to respect you for it. They'll be annoyed that they have to go through the whole rigmarole hiring process again (and training) just because you found something better.
But who cares? You're not going to use them as a work reference since you never really worked with them anyway. Do what you need to do for you and your family. |
You just started. No obligation. Do what's best for you.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
Well, if they really need the position, they're not going to respect you for it. They'll be annoyed that they have to go through the whole rigmarole hiring process again (and training) just because you found something better.
But who cares? You're not going to use them as a work reference since you never really worked with them anyway. Do what you need to do for you and your family. |
I actually disagree with this, but i guess it's all contingent on what type of job you have.
Employers generally invest a lot of money into training and getting a person going in their new role. It would probably work out better for his employer that he leave NOW than several months from now when they already feel he has a good handle on his job and the investment paid off.
Also, even if he doesnt use them as a reference, if his future employers hire a 3rd party background check specialist (is there such specialist?  ), he will probably contact them either way. |
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shansen008
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | shansen008 wrote: | | Youre really not obligated to that company for anything other than your services that they pay for. Trust me, most employers look at you in the same sense. One thing ive learned when it comes to work, is that loyalty is mostly illusion. |
That was not what I was taught nor is it what we practice in my business. Loyalty is everything and that's why a majority of my employees have been with us since day 1. Of course, loyalty is a 2 way street. |
Then thanks for being the exception to the rule, but you cant plan on the exception. Ive been with my current employer for 8 years, because my relationship has been equitable. When it tips in favor of the employer, and the labor market disagrees with him....then ill move on. Ill give him a chance to pay fair market value for my services, but if he wants to lowball then ill happily go elsewhere. Nothing personal, its just business. Nobody cares more about you, than YOU. Except maybe yo momma. |
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you wouldn't be the first guy to leave a job soon after starting.
I've seen people accept a job, and back out at the last minute and stay with their current employer because they were made an offer they couldn't refuse, and I've seen a guy leave, comeback two weeks later with higher pay and a new job title. he then left Again 2 months later.
Interview with the new company and if you get an offer take it to your current boss if you wish to stay and see if they can work a deal with you. Otherwise it's business. Thank them and move on. If they hold a grudge so be it. |
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| marga86 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
Well, if they really need the position, they're not going to respect you for it. They'll be annoyed that they have to go through the whole rigmarole hiring process again (and training) just because you found something better.
But who cares? You're not going to use them as a work reference since you never really worked with them anyway. Do what you need to do for you and your family. |
I actually disagree with this, but i guess it's all contingent on what type of job you have.
Employers generally invest a lot of money into training and getting a person going in their new role. It would probably work out better for his employer that he leave NOW than several months from now when they already feel he has a good handle on his job and the investment paid off.
Also, even if he doesnt use them as a reference, if his future employers hire a 3rd party background check specialist (is there such specialist? ), he will probably contact them either way. |
Which part don't you agree with? No one is going to 'respect' you for leaving right after you accepted a position with them. It makes the hiring manager look bad and any time they spent on training and/or resources was essentially wasted. I agree it would be better for the employer if you're going to leave to leave now rather than later, but I guess my point is just that there is no positive in either scenario. One may be more of a negative than the other though.
As for background checks, there is no centralized repository of your entire work history. What the check does, is verify whether you actually worked at the companies and held the positions that you said you did on your resume and/or job application. So if he decided to leave the job he recently accepted for the newer position and then never mentioned it on a job application or resume again, future employers would never know about the short stint. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
Well, if they really need the position, they're not going to respect you for it. They'll be annoyed that they have to go through the whole rigmarole hiring process again (and training) just because you found something better.
But who cares? You're not going to use them as a work reference since you never really worked with them anyway. Do what you need to do for you and your family. |
I actually disagree with this, but i guess it's all contingent on what type of job you have.
Employers generally invest a lot of money into training and getting a person going in their new role. It would probably work out better for his employer that he leave NOW than several months from now when they already feel he has a good handle on his job and the investment paid off.
Also, even if he doesnt use them as a reference, if his future employers hire a 3rd party background check specialist (is there such specialist? ), he will probably contact them either way. |
Which part don't you agree with? No one is going to 'respect' you for leaving right after you accepted a position with them. It makes the hiring manager look bad and any time they spent on training and/or resources was essentially wasted. I agree it would be better for the employer if you're going to leave to leave now rather than later, but I guess my point is just that there is no positive in either scenario. One may be more of a negative than the other though.
As for background checks, there is no centralized repository of your entire work history. What the check does, is verify whether you actually worked at the companies and held the positions that you said you did on your resume and/or job application. So if he decided to leave the job he recently accepted for the newer position and then never mentioned it on a job application or resume again, future employers would never know about the short stint. |
It disagree that an employer would be "annoyed"; it all depends on what industry you work in too. Like i've said, i've seen people turn around and quit 1-2 months into the job, heck i've seen people leave 2 weeks into the job and management has been perfectly fine with it. It's tougher to train someone for a year and watch them grow just to see them take the knowledge elsewhere. At least with 1 or 2 months you know you lost close to nothing.
I just had a recent background check done by an employer, sometimes it's more than a mere "yes he did work for us" response. Background checks use your SSN to look for employers you might of not disclosed as well. |
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| marga86 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | Be straight up, they will respect you for that.
Just say a better opportunity arose for you and you are embarrassed to have such a short stint.
Trust, it's happened at my job and i consider it a pretty professional environment.. the bosses were pretty understanding of that person. It's better than making up some lie which may eventually lead to a burnt bridge. |
Well, if they really need the position, they're not going to respect you for it. They'll be annoyed that they have to go through the whole rigmarole hiring process again (and training) just because you found something better.
But who cares? You're not going to use them as a work reference since you never really worked with them anyway. Do what you need to do for you and your family. |
I actually disagree with this, but i guess it's all contingent on what type of job you have.
Employers generally invest a lot of money into training and getting a person going in their new role. It would probably work out better for his employer that he leave NOW than several months from now when they already feel he has a good handle on his job and the investment paid off.
Also, even if he doesnt use them as a reference, if his future employers hire a 3rd party background check specialist (is there such specialist? ), he will probably contact them either way. |
Which part don't you agree with? No one is going to 'respect' you for leaving right after you accepted a position with them. It makes the hiring manager look bad and any time they spent on training and/or resources was essentially wasted. I agree it would be better for the employer if you're going to leave to leave now rather than later, but I guess my point is just that there is no positive in either scenario. One may be more of a negative than the other though.
As for background checks, there is no centralized repository of your entire work history. What the check does, is verify whether you actually worked at the companies and held the positions that you said you did on your resume and/or job application. So if he decided to leave the job he recently accepted for the newer position and then never mentioned it on a job application or resume again, future employers would never know about the short stint. |
It disagree that an employer would be "annoyed"; it all depends on what industry you work in too. Like i've said, i've seen people turn around and quit 1-2 months into the job, heck i've seen people leave 2 weeks into the job and management has been perfectly fine with it. It's tougher to train someone for a year and watch them grow just to see them take the knowledge elsewhere. At least with 1 or 2 months you know you lost close to nothing.
I just had a recent background check done by an employer, sometimes it's more than a mere "yes he did work for us" response. Background checks use your SSN to look for employers you might of not disclosed as well. |
That's why I said, if the company really needs and values your position, then they'll care. If they don't, then they'll be fine with it. I'm in management, and I've been perfectly fine when certain people that were brought in that left. In many cases, it was good riddance! But sometimes you bring in some real rock stars and those aren't people we're ever "fine" when they leave.
As for your recent background check, as I said earlier, a verification of employment, title, years employed, in some cases, pay and so on are revealed. However, they aren't really able to verify employers you didn't list. Are you assuming they can do that because of SSN? There is no central employment repository for them to query against even with an SSN and tax records aren't public information.
So the only way for them to know about employers you didn't list is by pinging every company in existence to see if you worked there. Or, they could get lucky maybe the HR person happens to play golf with a person you worked with at a company you didn't list and he finds out about it that way. |
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