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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:31 pm    Post subject:

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Malaysia Says Rebels to Hand Over Jet's Black Boxes

This is surprising. I thought, being that the Rebels are backed by Russia, hey would turn the boxes over to them.

I'm suspicious. I have a feeling the tapes have been tampered with. All reports say tampering is difficult. If someone goes into the boxes it will be detected.


They'd be idiots to even try. They have tons to lose by trying to do so and there really isn't much to gain. Voice recordings aren't going to reveal much that isn't already known. Even if those responsible somehow had the ability to contact the plane, it's highly doubtful they do so to give some kind of threat or warning. And there's not going to be anything said between the crew and ground controls that is going to reveal anything that isn't already known.

They are idiots, they shot down a commercial passenger jet. As you say they don't have anything to gain. All evidence points to the culprits. Russia has most to lose. Their conspiracy theories are laughable.


Not saying they aren't idiots, nor excusing their mistake, but even the great and powerful US of A has shot down a civilian airliner.

So did the Soviets, Bulgaria and others. None acted after the fact as this group. I can understand the mistake not the after the fact.


You missed the spirit of my post there bud.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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Malaysia Says Rebels to Hand Over Jet's Black Boxes

This is surprising. I thought, being that the Rebels are backed by Russia, hey would turn the boxes over to them.

I'm suspicious. I have a feeling the tapes have been tampered with. All reports say tampering is difficult. If someone goes into the boxes it will be detected.


They'd be idiots to even try. They have tons to lose by trying to do so and there really isn't much to gain. Voice recordings aren't going to reveal much that isn't already known. Even if those responsible somehow had the ability to contact the plane, it's highly doubtful they do so to give some kind of threat or warning. And there's not going to be anything said between the crew and ground controls that is going to reveal anything that isn't already known.

They are idiots, they shot down a commercial passenger jet. As you say they don't have anything to gain. All evidence points to the culprits. Russia has most to lose. Their conspiracy theories are laughable.


Not saying they aren't idiots, nor excusing their mistake, but even the great and powerful US of A has shot down a civilian airliner.

So did the Soviets, Bulgaria and others. None acted after the fact as this group. I can understand the mistake not the after the fact.


You missed the spirit of my post there bud.

No, believe me I didn't this time, I noticed the wink. I'm just really upset at the way the rebels showed no respect for the dead.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
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DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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Malaysia Says Rebels to Hand Over Jet's Black Boxes

This is surprising. I thought, being that the Rebels are backed by Russia, hey would turn the boxes over to them.

I'm suspicious. I have a feeling the tapes have been tampered with. All reports say tampering is difficult. If someone goes into the boxes it will be detected.


They'd be idiots to even try. They have tons to lose by trying to do so and there really isn't much to gain. Voice recordings aren't going to reveal much that isn't already known. Even if those responsible somehow had the ability to contact the plane, it's highly doubtful they do so to give some kind of threat or warning. And there's not going to be anything said between the crew and ground controls that is going to reveal anything that isn't already known.

They are idiots, they shot down a commercial passenger jet. As you say they don't have anything to gain. All evidence points to the culprits. Russia has most to lose. Their conspiracy theories are laughable.


Not saying they aren't idiots, nor excusing their mistake, but even the great and powerful US of A has shot down a civilian airliner.

So did the Soviets, Bulgaria and others. None acted after the fact as this group. I can understand the mistake not the after the fact.


You missed the spirit of my post there bud.

No, believe me I didn't this time, I noticed the wink. I'm just really upset at the way the rebels showed no respect for the dead.


How could one not be.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Putin's popularity is at a 14-year high.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject:

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Putin's popularity is at a 14-year high.


Here's a good article on the way this incident is being covered in the Russian press:

http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject:

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Putin's popularity is at a 14-year high.


Here's a good article on the way this incident is being covered in the Russian press:

http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782


Interesting read. I gotta add this though. Is that website written by people with English as a second language? Some of it read like a Babelfish webpage. Holy verbosity Batman! Less is more you Internet Journalist guy you!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject:

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Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:15 pm    Post subject:

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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:55 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.


The difference is there would be no Russian insurgency in Ukraine without active Russian support from the highest levels of the Russian government. These guys are providing military hardware and support of Russian special forces to actively encourage a rebellion. Big difference between that and just an arms sale.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:36 am    Post subject:

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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.



I think the US is trying to give Putin a way out of this. If he abandons the separatists and point to a rogue militia unit as the culprit he may get less of the blame and save face.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:12 pm    Post subject:

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FAA extends flight ban to Israel for another 24 hours

I understand the reasoning. I see talk about Israel losing tourism money. I put life before money.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:20 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.


Interesting double standard there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:25 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.


Interesting double standard there.

Where's the double standard? Note bolded.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:25 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.


The difference is there would be no Russian insurgency in Ukraine without active Russian support from the highest levels of the Russian government. These guys are providing military hardware and support of Russian special forces to actively encourage a rebellion. Big difference between that and just an arms sale.


The US isn't simply selling arms to Israel - there's a great deal of military aid involved - Aid that comes because Israel says it is needed to help it defend itself. The difference is actually quite little.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:27 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.


Interesting double standard there.

Where's the double standard?


It's all there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject:

The number of children being killed is really disturbing. I'm surprised the fact they are children hasn't raised more furor and demand for a cease fire. LINK LINK
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:06 am    Post subject:

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The number of children being killed is really disturbing. I'm surprised the fact they are children hasn't raised more furor and demand for a cease fire. LINK


I noticed they shelled a UN school after the UN said they were going to investigate them for war crimes....seems like retribution to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:45 am    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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US: No link to Russian government in Flight MH17 downing

Last week it was Russia's fault. This week, we don't really know. Give a child a gun, that child kills, you're responsible. You don't pull the trigger, you made it possible.

I'm not surprised. Politics is a game of Texas Side Stepping.


I see what you are trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree.

But I will ask you this. Should the US be blamed for the children that are killed by the Israeli weaponry provided by the US and/or the military aid provided to them?

I'm not trying to bring the politics of the Gaza situation into this thread - you know I have been against that. I'm just asking a question about the way way you envision lame being doled out.

I understand your point and so not to digress I'll give a short answer without explanation, NO.


The difference is there would be no Russian insurgency in Ukraine without active Russian support from the highest levels of the Russian government. These guys are providing military hardware and support of Russian special forces to actively encourage a rebellion. Big difference between that and just an arms sale.

The reason I said NO without explanation. It would spark a debate in the wrong thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:09 am    Post subject:

Ukraine rebel leader confirms for the first time that Russian separatists DID have BUK anti-aircraft missiles after U.S. intelligence chiefs said Putin ‘bears responsibility’ for MH17

Not that anyone really had any doubts.
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The number of children being killed is really disturbing. I'm surprised the fact they are children hasn't raised more furor and demand for a cease fire. LINK LINK


I know ..not correct thread . but those are not children..at least if not Israeli

Those are two things
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jodeke wrote:
The number of children being killed is really disturbing. I'm surprised the fact they are children hasn't raised more furor and demand for a cease fire. LINK LINK


I know ..not correct thread . but those are not children..at least if not Israeli

Those are two things
Human Shields
Future Terrorists

Yeah, guilty again. I should start a thread just about Gaza.
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jodeke wrote:
The number of children being killed is really disturbing. I'm surprised the fact they are children hasn't raised more furor and demand for a cease fire. LINK LINK


I know ..not correct thread . but those are not children..at least if not Israeli

Those are two things
Human Shields
Future Terrorists


Stop it dude. That is purely hyperbolic and irrational generalization. You can't expect to have any credibility while engaging in that kind of gross and offensive exaggeration.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:03 pm    Post subject:

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How fortunate are we to be living in a country where when you wake up in the morning you don't hear bombs dropping, tanks rolling down your street, fear soldiers confiscating your property?

Where there is little or no chance of a plane being shot down and armies looting the site.

Count your blessings.
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Count your blessings.


So you, we, are all "blessed"? And those people there, young and old, are not?
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