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| marga86 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Moses wrote: | Can't believe they might have Bale, Ronaldo & James all in the same team...  |
Bale, Ronaldo, and James on one team, Neymar, Messi, and Suarez on the other. This is why I can't get interested in La Liga. Two behemoths, and a bunch of other teams hoping to be one-year wonders like Atletico. Some of the other teams are pretty good, for sure, but Barca and Real make the whole thing seem farcical. All of the major Euro leagues are top heavy, but come on. |
Not only that.. but think about the economic outrage behind this.
Spain is struggling as a nation (economically speaking), but their two top teams spend like its a booming economy. |
I've wondered about that. As Wilt says, they do have the money, but there is something unseemly about conspicuous spending when a lot of people are hurting. |
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| Wilt wrote: | | BTW, people seem to forget that Sevilla won the Europa League, and that Valencia was in the semi final of that competition. So it's not as if the rest of the Spanish league sucks. |
No, it doesn't, but the top two teams make a farce of the whole thing. That's why I just can't get interested in La Liga. |
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Wilt
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Moses wrote: | | Can't believe they might have Bale, Ronaldo & James all in the same team... |
Bale, Ronaldo, and James on one team, Neymar, Messi, and Suarez on the other. This is why I can't get interested in La Liga. Two behemoths, and a bunch of other teams hoping to be one-year wonders like Atletico. Some of the other teams are pretty good, for sure, but Barca and Real make the whole thing seem farcical. All of the major Euro leagues are top heavy, but come on. |
Not only that.. but think about the economic outrage behind this.
Spain is struggling as a nation (economically speaking), but their two top teams spend like its a booming economy. |
I've wondered about that. As Wilt says, they do have the money, but there is something unseemly about conspicuous spending when a lot of people are hurting. |
We also must take into account the regionalism/nationalism/politics that is associated with both clubs. Even with the economic troubles that Spain has had to deal with, Madrid and Barcelona are more than clubs (heck, that's Barcelona's slogan), and their success - particularly the power of those brands on the global level - is a source of pride and hope even among those that the economy has left behind in recent times. In other words, the clubs have succeeded despite the obstacles. So in the political context (centralism vs. separatism), both clubs have served an important role that is independent of the economy, and their success has only strengthened their support among their fans. In fact, even if you go to regions like Galicia or Andalucia, while they certainly support their regional clubs with passion, deep deep down, most of them root either for Barcelona or Madrid and watch every El Clasico with great interest. The circulation of the daily sports papers is enormous. There's a daily, hourly fascination with these two clubs that is ridiculous, and it's highly politicized. Personally, that's what draws me to Spain so much. Considering how much I follow the daily developments of these two clubs as an outsider, I can't imagine how it would be like living there.
Madrid and Barcelona are basically keeping Spanish banks and the newspaper industry afloat. 
Just the other day, they once again topped the list of the most valuable sports franchises, both surpassing $3 billion.
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BTW, I read somewhere that the tickets for the game between Madrid and Manchester United at Michigan Stadium sold out in just a few hours. 110,000 fans will watch that game.
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| Wilt wrote: | | BTW, I read somewhere that the tickets for the game between Madrid and Manchester United at Michigan Stadium sold out in just a few hours. 110,000 fans will watch that game. |
Those exhibition matches usually do well since they only have them once a year here in the US. I think they are expecting 70,000 for the LA Galaxy vs ManU at the Rose Bowl as well. |
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I was really hoping hazard would go to psg.
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James was just presented at the Bernabeu. I'd say about 40,000 fans showed up and half of them were probably Colombians. A few of them invaded the pitch. This signing will pay off quickly for Madrid. Huge potential for shirt sales and marketing.
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| James is starting to become a little overrated and hardly worth the 100 million price tag or 90 or however much it is. Hes worth more like 60. He had a good world cup tournament..but lets not get carried away |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Moses wrote: | | Can't believe they might have Bale, Ronaldo & James all in the same team... |
Bale, Ronaldo, and James on one team, Neymar, Messi, and Suarez on the other. This is why I can't get interested in La Liga. Two behemoths, and a bunch of other teams hoping to be one-year wonders like Atletico. Some of the other teams are pretty good, for sure, but Barca and Real make the whole thing seem farcical. All of the major Euro leagues are top heavy, but come on. |
Not only that.. but think about the economic outrage behind this.
Spain is struggling as a nation (economically speaking), but their two top teams spend like its a booming economy. |
I've wondered about that. As Wilt says, they do have the money, but there is something unseemly about conspicuous spending when a lot of people are hurting. |
We also must take into account the regionalism/nationalism/politics that is associated with both clubs. Even with the economic troubles that Spain has had to deal with, Madrid and Barcelona are more than clubs (heck, that's Barcelona's slogan), and their success - particularly the power of those brands on the global level - is a source of pride and hope even among those that the economy has left behind in recent times. In other words, the clubs have succeeded despite the obstacles. So in the political context (centralism vs. separatism), both clubs have served an important role that is independent of the economy, and their success has only strengthened their support among their fans. In fact, even if you go to regions like Galicia or Andalucia, while they certainly support their regional clubs with passion, deep deep down, most of them root either for Barcelona or Madrid and watch every El Clasico with great interest. The circulation of the daily sports papers is enormous. There's a daily, hourly fascination with these two clubs that is ridiculous, and it's highly politicized. Personally, that's what draws me to Spain so much. Considering how much I follow the daily developments of these two clubs as an outsider, I can't imagine how it would be like living there.
Madrid and Barcelona are basically keeping Spanish banks and the newspaper industry afloat.
Just the other day, they once again topped the list of the most valuable sports franchises, both surpassing $3 billion. |
Part of my beef with them is that they dont really make good deals. They just overpay for players.
That zlatan deal with laughable w/ barcelona... Bale was a $100mill prize for perez.. Ancelotti didnt really need him, but perez was insistent on it lol. It's just splurging really. Makes competitions stale.
champs is gonna be same 8 as last year, with the exception of athletico who had a fire sale. |
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So over the past few years, Real has spent around €300 million in transfer fees for Ronaldo, Bale, and Rodriguez..
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| Grammer wrote: | So over the past few years, Real has spent around €300 million in transfer fees for Ronaldo, Bale, and Rodriguez..
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Yup.
Sad thing is that zidane and ou fenomeno were better than both.. that was what? 12 years ago? They wouldnt go for $100mill comebined back in the day.
This is part of my beef with real (barca, city, psg, monaco as well).. they just inflate the market so badly.. you really think a team like oporto can compete with these guys in the transfer market? They seriously have to do as much research as they can.. even then, they cant really afford to spend $10mill on a player in a transfer market. It's just a sad situation for other clubs... European soccer is a bubble.. i cant wait for it to burst because once it does, i think the MLS will benefit from it. |
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| marga86 wrote: | | Grammer wrote: | So over the past few years, Real has spent around €300 million in transfer fees for Ronaldo, Bale, and Rodriguez..
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Yup.
Sad thing is that zidane and ou fenomeno were better than both.. that was what? 12 years ago? They wouldnt go for $100mill comebined back in the day.
This is part of my beef with real (barca, city, psg, monaco as well).. they just inflate the market so badly.. you really think a team like oporto can compete with these guys in the transfer market? They seriously have to do as much research as they can.. even then, they cant really afford to spend $10mill on a player in a transfer market. It's just a sad situation for other clubs... European soccer is a bubble.. i cant wait for it to burst because once it does, i think the MLS will benefit from it. |
Yea, but it's fun watching true "super" teams with unlimited ( no one cares for fair play, psg sure doesn't ) potential go at it.
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| marga86 wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | marga86 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Moses wrote: | | Can't believe they might have Bale, Ronaldo & James all in the same team... |
Bale, Ronaldo, and James on one team, Neymar, Messi, and Suarez on the other. This is why I can't get interested in La Liga. Two behemoths, and a bunch of other teams hoping to be one-year wonders like Atletico. Some of the other teams are pretty good, for sure, but Barca and Real make the whole thing seem farcical. All of the major Euro leagues are top heavy, but come on. |
Not only that.. but think about the economic outrage behind this.
Spain is struggling as a nation (economically speaking), but their two top teams spend like its a booming economy. |
I've wondered about that. As Wilt says, they do have the money, but there is something unseemly about conspicuous spending when a lot of people are hurting. |
We also must take into account the regionalism/nationalism/politics that is associated with both clubs. Even with the economic troubles that Spain has had to deal with, Madrid and Barcelona are more than clubs (heck, that's Barcelona's slogan), and their success - particularly the power of those brands on the global level - is a source of pride and hope even among those that the economy has left behind in recent times. In other words, the clubs have succeeded despite the obstacles. So in the political context (centralism vs. separatism), both clubs have served an important role that is independent of the economy, and their success has only strengthened their support among their fans. In fact, even if you go to regions like Galicia or Andalucia, while they certainly support their regional clubs with passion, deep deep down, most of them root either for Barcelona or Madrid and watch every El Clasico with great interest. The circulation of the daily sports papers is enormous. There's a daily, hourly fascination with these two clubs that is ridiculous, and it's highly politicized. Personally, that's what draws me to Spain so much. Considering how much I follow the daily developments of these two clubs as an outsider, I can't imagine how it would be like living there.
Madrid and Barcelona are basically keeping Spanish banks and the newspaper industry afloat.
Just the other day, they once again topped the list of the most valuable sports franchises, both surpassing $3 billion. |
Part of my beef with them is that they dont really make good deals. They just overpay for players.
That zlatan deal with laughable w/ barcelona... Bale was a $100mill prize for perez.. Ancelotti didnt really need him, but perez was insistent on it lol. It's just splurging really. Makes competitions stale.
champs is gonna be same 8 as last year, with the exception of athletico who had a fire sale. |
I agree.
When the rumors start regarding any big signing, there's a certain momentum that takes over, and failing to buy a player would be a bigger blow than overpaying by 10 or 20 million. So when the James thing started, Monaco wanted 80 million and Madrid wanted to pay something like 65 million, and in the end it ended up being 80 million. When Perez wants something, he gets it. The same scenario played out last year with Bale. Daniel Levy just wouldn't lower the price, and Perez eventually gave in because not getting Bale would have meant he failed, so he overpaid.
Every now and then, Madrid does make a good deal. Ozil is the best example. Bought cheap and with much hype in 2010, and sold with a huge profit. The same will happen with Di Maria and Khedira.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| marga86 wrote: | | European soccer is a bubble.. i cant wait for it to burst because once it does, i think the MLS will benefit from it. |
That's true. The bubble has really hurt the South American leagues in particular. |
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| anyone knows what channel will broadcast the Man U Galaxy game tonight? |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | anyone knows what channel will broadcast the Man U Galaxy game tonight? |
Fox Sports 1.
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| marga86 wrote: | | Grammer wrote: | So over the past few years, Real has spent around €300 million in transfer fees for Ronaldo, Bale, and Rodriguez..
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Yup.
Sad thing is that zidane and ou fenomeno were better than both.. that was what? 12 years ago? They wouldnt go for $100mill comebined back in the day.
This is part of my beef with real (barca, city, psg, monaco as well).. they just inflate the market so badly.. you really think a team like oporto can compete with these guys in the transfer market? They seriously have to do as much research as they can.. even then, they cant really afford to spend $10mill on a player in a transfer market. It's just a sad situation for other clubs... European soccer is a bubble.. i cant wait for it to burst because once it does, i think the MLS will benefit from it. |
RE: Zidane and I assume Ronaldo (the original one). Zidane went to Real for £50m GBP (about 75m euros at the time) and Ronaldo about £30m GBP (approxx 45m euros), that was huge money back then, Zizou was a world record. I agree though, both were better than these guys. ZZ is greatest ever to me, and fat Ronaldo would be up there but for his bad knee.
I don't think European football is a bubble at all. Real & Barca are the 2 most valuable clubs in the world, generate the most revenue, and so of course have the financial clout to spend big. Real have done this for as long as I can remember. Financial fair play to an extent will also help with making football more sustainable, but it is of course relative to the income of the club so the big boys will always be able to spend more.
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i get that fuzz when i see ronaldo play.
that 3 goal performance he had at old trafford vs united in the champions league was excellent!! |
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Real and Barca aren't the bubble, or at least not all of it. The bubble is created by Monaco, PSG, Man City, and the like. When you have teams spending silly money, you get a bubble. Eventually, bubbles burst. It may be in a year or in ten years, but sooner or later teams are going to take a bath in the transfer market.
I admire the way that Wenger has managed all of this. I've never bonded with Arsenal like you, but it's easier for me to root for them than for Chelsea, Man City, or the Spanish giants. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Real and Barca aren't the bubble, or at least not all of it. The bubble is created by Monaco, PSG, Man City, and the like. When you have teams spending silly money, you get a bubble. Eventually, bubbles burst. It may be in a year or in ten years, but sooner or later teams are going to take a bath in the transfer market.
I admire the way that Wenger has managed all of this. I've never bonded with Arsenal like you, but it's easier for me to root for them than for Chelsea, Man City, or the Spanish giants. |
This is where we hope financial fair play will help to alleviate some of these concerns and encourage team owners to focus on building a more sustainable business. Either that, or these billionaire owners will eventually get bored and pull their funding, leaving teams City, Chelsea, Monaco down the toilet.
It'll never really be a level playing field because teams like Barca & Real will always generate more revenue due to stadium size, fan base, merchandising, TV rights, etc... so they'll always have spending power, but teams like City & PSG are already getting in fair play trouble.
Lastly, I appreciate your love of Arsenal bro
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It looks like PSG isn't allowed to buy Di Maria from Madrid at the moment due to FFP. They'll have to arrange season-long loan, with an option to buy later. Unless they sell a player and reduce their payroll.
I propose a Cavani - Di Maria "trade." 
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| Wow, ManU destroyed the LA Galaxy 7-0 tonight.... |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Wow, ManU destroyed the LA Galaxy 7-0 tonight.... |
MLS = Minor League Soccer |
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| Tark the Shark wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Wow, ManU destroyed the LA Galaxy 7-0 tonight.... |
MLS = Minor League Soccer |
Yeah, for all the strides they've made the past couple of seasons, its kinda sad to watch one of the MLS's premier franchises get their butt kicked at home by a team playing its first "preseason" game while the Galaxy are in mid-season form. |
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Rumors are heating up that Falcao is about to go to Madrid on a loan, with an option for Madrid to buy him for 30 million in 2015. Madrid is worried about his knee, but are willing to give him a chance to prove his fitness until August 31.
So hope this is true.
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