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| TheElectronica wrote: | Team defense is key but at the end of they day if it wasn't for Kawhi's man defense on Lebron the Spurs don't walk through Miami the way that they did.
Miami's offense was heavily dependent on Lebron creating easy shots every time down the court. Wade wasn't helping and Bosh was sorely underutilized. On the other side of the court the Spurs just attacked whoever Lebron wasn't guarding. They ran the offense through Diaw/Duncan when Lebron was on Parker. They ran the pick and roll when Lebron was on Leonard. And when Lebron wasn't on Leonard, the rest of the Heat defenders were overwhelmed by his athleticism.
The key was that the Spurs had the personnel to compete individually and had the coaching to take that defense to the next level. For the Lakers, they have versatile defenders but lack an anchor. Guys like Wes or Lin or Kobe all have flaws to go along with their versatility. Hill, Davis, Boozer, and Randle don't exactly stand out defensively. That said, I see them as a middle of the back defensive team. It's not like the Lakers have lazy players on defense, or completely selfish players defensively. They have an interesting mixture of athleticism and experience, and should at least be middle of the pack. |
yes they would have. they would've beat the heat regardless. and in the same fashion. k.lenard didnt stop lbj from rushing the rim. the spurs FENCE of D did. they stood in his way. forcing him to pull up or pass early(which means he hits a shooter without anyone collapsing. that does nothing for the heat cause the shooter is not open now.)
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| TheElectronica wrote: | Team defense is key but at the end of they day if it wasn't for Kawhi's man defense on Lebron the Spurs don't walk through Miami the way that they did.
Miami's offense was heavily dependent on Lebron creating easy shots every time down the court. Wade wasn't helping and Bosh was sorely underutilized. On the other side of the court the Spurs just attacked whoever Lebron wasn't guarding. They ran the offense through Diaw/Duncan when Lebron was on Parker. They ran the pick and roll when Lebron was on Leonard. And when Lebron wasn't on Leonard, the rest of the Heat defenders were overwhelmed by his athleticism.
The key was that the Spurs had the personnel to compete individually and had the coaching to take that defense to the next level. For the Lakers, they have versatile defenders but lack an anchor. Guys like Wes or Lin or Kobe all have flaws to go along with their versatility. Hill, Davis, Boozer, and Randle don't exactly stand out defensively. That said, I see them as a middle of the back defensive team. It's not like the Lakers have lazy players on defense, or completely selfish players defensively. They have an interesting mixture of athleticism and experience, and should at least be middle of the pack. |
Leonard played excellent defense, but if the rotations and doubling were not effective that did not allowed uncontested clean looks - it would be for naught. DWade missed layups that were contested, but he would not have missed dunks.
Lakers need a defensive anchor, like what the Heat needed for the past 4 years.
In the same that Coach Tibbs will find a way to make Pau and Brooks not a liability on defense, the new Lakers coach (BScott??) need to find what works. Outside of Nash, there are no complete defensive liabilities on the Lakers |
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| Randle, Jordan Hill, Wesley Johnson and Ed Davis all have the quickness and motor to be able to stay in front of their guys. Henry will provide intensity -- Kobe's going to be a step slow and Sacre doesn't inspire fear at the rim. The only answer will be a team defense scheme that everyone commits to. Byron doesn't strike me as a defensive mastermind, but I'm willing to let it play out. |
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| We always look to score a lot of points & pit on a show but at the end of the day we all know that "DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS." |
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| Scherm wrote: | | Randle, Jordan Hill, Wesley Johnson and Ed Davis all have the quickness and motor to be able to stay in front of their guys. Henry will provide intensity -- Kobe's going to be a step slow and Sacre doesn't inspire fear at the rim. The only answer will be a team defense scheme that everyone commits to. Byron doesn't strike me as a defensive mastermind, but I'm willing to let it play out. |
Defense is more than just quickness and motor. It's a toughness and mentality that, for the exception of Randle so far, none of those players have proven to possess an inkling of. |
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Clarkson has the motor, feet, and length. Doesn't have the skill set yet.
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| elephant in the room: Kobe has not put in a serious defensive effort in YEARS... it will be impossible for this team to buy into a defensive mindset if our leader is shrugging off playing defense |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | elephant in the room: Kobe has not put in a serious defensive effort in YEARS... it will be impossible for this team to buy into a defensive mindset if our leader is shrugging off playing defense |
It usually only takes one guy not committing to pretty much torpedo a team defensive scheme. If that one player is your 24 million dollar man it's even worse. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | elephant in the room: Kobe has not put in a serious defensive effort in YEARS... it will be impossible for this team to buy into a defensive mindset if our leader is shrugging off playing defense |
It usually only takes one guy not committing to pretty much torpedo a team defensive scheme. If that one player is your 24 million dollar man it's even worse. |
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Defense matters most when your offense is a given.
and to the kb comments about defense... if that were true, we would have had no trouble making playoffs when d12 was here AND we wouldn't have suddenly gotten swept when kobe was unavailable.
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| the spurs are a bad example--they are an EXCEPTIONAL defensive team. i don't know what you're watching. first of all the spurs overall team stats are completely nerfed. i don't take ANY spurs REGULAR season team stat seriously. they sit some combination of duncan, manu, and/or parker practically every game. and don't say oh well those aren't exactly their best defensive players...duncan still changes shots at the rim, and the combination of those 3 create SO MUCH MORE PRESSURE on the other team on the offensive end that the effect of the game as a whole negates any perceived liability on the defensive end. secondly, pop has the spurs playing consistently excellent team defense. what they lack in youth and athleticism they make up for with communication and chemistry. there's nothing that team hasn't seen before. third, it's not like their young guys are slouches. green is an excellent perimeter defender. kahwi has to be considered a shut down defender after what he showed against lebron in the finals. splitter is a solid paint presence and diaw is deceptively good on defense. did the spurs win a championship with defense....uh....YEA |
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I have Xavier, Ed Davis and J-Lin as plus defenders on this team.
Others:
Randle: Moves feet well, but small standing reach by position, lack of steals+blocks
Clarkson: Played for awful defensive teams in 3 years of college, low-ish steal rate
W Johnson: Gets creamed against opposing PFs; does just OK against opposing SFs
Nash: A sieve even when healthy, now injured...?
Hill: His energy doesn't exactly translate to defense, weirdly enough. Not much of a shotblocker.
Sacre: Defense really tailed off as the season progressed. Tries hard and has some shotblocking, but pathetic rebounder.
Kelly: Horrendous defense overall. Can rotate, but lacks ability
Kobe: Yeah, he hasn't exactly tried for years, and last two seasons have been below average
Boozer: Sieve. Sieve. Sieve.
Yep. So that's just three. Xavier made great inroads on defense with us, but can it sustain? I would have preferred Bazemore because Baze rebounded better and got more steals, and seems to have more defensive athleticism, but Xavier has enough athleticism on the end to be a plus. Ed Davis blocks shots, rebounds, and that Memphis tutelage really helped him translate his tools into effective defense, but he has a slight frame. J-Lin has always played good contain defense and has the steals and blocks to back him up, as well as height. |
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