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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject:

I can't see GP taking orders from Scott or nearly anyone for that matter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject:

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To all the members who say its too much of a gamble because GP has never had any coaching experience, y'all need to realize Phil Jackson never had any coaching experience until Doug Collins brought him along as an assistant.


Phil Jackson did have coaching experience. He coached Albany in the CBA and even led them to a title, years before he was ever an assistant for Collins.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:31 am    Post subject:

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I can't see GP taking orders from Scott or nearly anyone for that matter.


lol.....probably true. I could see GP have heated moments with Byron or refs during the season if he is hired.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject:

GP not eloquent?
He's only the greatest trash talker ever! That's like being Shakespeare in NBA terms!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject:

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I can't see GP taking orders from Scott or nearly anyone for that matter.


lol.....probably true. I could see GP have heated moments with Byron or refs during the season if he is hired.


We would have to keep him chained to the seats behind the bench and possibly muzzled so he doesn't get us any technicals
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:05 pm    Post subject:

So let discuss how many interviews GP will get from Lakers?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Gary Payton On Becoming An Assistant coach: “I’m Getting Interested Now”

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Gary Payton On Becoming An Assistant coach: “I’m Getting Interested Now”

The question isn’t “does Gary Payton have the basketball knowledge to coach in the NBA?” If you’ve ever spoken to the Hall of Famer, you know he does.

The question is the lifestyle — an NBA assistant coach spends a lot of time watching and breaking down film, working with guys late after practice, putting in long hours and dealing with a lot of travel for not a ton of money or glory. It’s a grinding job.

Does Payton want to make that sacrifice?

There is reportedly interest from Jason Kidd in Milwaukee and Byron Scott in Los Angeles as they fill out their coaching staffs, and Payton said on Fox Sports 1 Wednesday that he is 50/50 on the idea.

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“This stuff is just rumors right now,” Payton said. “I went to Summer League and I was with Jason (Kidd) for a long period of time and we had a couple of conversations.

“I’m getting interested now. A lot of guys knew I wasn’t interested in coaching, but now I’m getting a little interested. I see these young guys out here that needs some help and some guidance from a guy like me. It’s there, but I like what I’m doing right now, I like Fox Sports 1.

“It’s just talk right now. I got to put my mind to it, I got to think about making sacrifices and doing other things. But you know if I get into basketball I don’t know what will happen. I could be a head coach in three, four, five years I just don’t know.”


Payton lives in Los Angeles much of the year now, that seems a more likely landing spot than Milwaukee, despite the ties to Kidd.

Back when he played, “The Glove” was known as a defensive stopper, but the hand check and contact on the perimeter rules are enforced differently now. Payton has told PBT he’s not sure how well he could defend in today’s game — he had great battles with Michael Jordan but he could get physical with MJ in a way that just can’t be done anymore.

Not that Payton couldn’t help a lot of guys with defensive positioning, fundamentals and knowing the system. Plus, don’t forget Payton was just an all-around great point guard at both ends. The man knows the game.

Does he want to coach it is the question.


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/31/gary-payton-on-becoming-an-assistant-coach-im-getting-interested-now/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject:

YES!!! Would LOVE GP on Byron's staff!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:23 am    Post subject:

I mean I love guys like GP and Horry on paper. But will they grind and do the hard and thankless work that assistants have to do?

Someone has to review video and scout plays. I feel these guys will be less diligent only b/c they don't need the $ as opposed to guys who are earning $20k as video guys who grind and move up the ladder (and work 70 hours a week). Scott needs a few "Lawrence Frank" type of assistants who will sleep at the office and do all the grinding work.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:38 am    Post subject:

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“I’m getting interested now. A lot of guys knew I wasn’t interested in coaching, but now I’m getting a little interested. I see these young guys out here that needs some help and some guidance from a guy like me. It’s there, but I like what I’m doing right now, I like Fox Sports 1.


Hmm, I don't like the sound of that. Seems like something that you're either interested in, or not interested in. Shouldn't be something that you have muster enthusiasm for.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:44 am    Post subject:

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“I’m getting interested now. A lot of guys knew I wasn’t interested in coaching, but now I’m getting a little interested. I see these young guys out here that needs some help and some guidance from a guy like me. It’s there, but I like what I’m doing right now, I like Fox Sports 1.


Hmm, I don't like the sound of that. Seems like something that you're either interested in, or not interested in. Shouldn't be something that you have muster enthusiasm for.


That's what concerns me. They have invaluable experience as players, but will guys like Payton really kill himself to get the team ready for games (break down game film, etc.)? I don't see it.

Might as well hire some 21 year old wunderkid
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:48 am    Post subject:

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I mean I love guys like GP and Horry on paper. But will they grind and do the hard and thankless work that assistants have to do?

Someone has to review video and scout plays. I feel these guys will be less diligent only b/c they don't need the $ as opposed to guys who are earning $20k as video guys who grind and move up the ladder (and work 70 hours a week). Scott needs a few "Lawrence Frank" type of assistants who will sleep at the office and do all the grinding work.


Which is why I'd bring GP in as a player development coach at first. Maybe he gets the coaching bug and becomes addicted. Scott definitely needs some super hard working/meticulous types on his staff too. I think Madsen fills that role well
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:59 am    Post subject:

Maybe he can teach Lin how to trash talk
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject:

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I mean I love guys like GP and Horry on paper. But will they grind and do the hard and thankless work that assistants have to do?

Someone has to review video and scout plays. I feel these guys will be less diligent only b/c they don't need the $ as opposed to guys who are earning $20k as video guys who grind and move up the ladder (and work 70 hours a week). Scott needs a few "Lawrence Frank" type of assistants who will sleep at the office and do all the grinding work.


Which is why I'd bring GP in as a player development coach at first. Maybe he gets the coaching bug and becomes addicted. Scott definitely needs some super hard working/meticulous types on his staff too. I think Madsen fills that role well


Yeah. People think coaching is glamorous. It's really not. Especially assistant coaches. They don't make THAT much money relative to what these guys earned as players. Heck, Ty Lue is one of the highest paid assistants and he's just north of $1m.

So if these guys don't have that fire in their belly (comparable to when they played), then, yeah, limit their status as an assistant coach (which is another reason why bench/role players seem to make better coaches than star players...)
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I mean I love guys like GP and Horry on paper. But will they grind and do the hard and thankless work that assistants have to do?

Someone has to review video and scout plays. I feel these guys will be less diligent only b/c they don't need the $ as opposed to guys who are earning $20k as video guys who grind and move up the ladder (and work 70 hours a week). Scott needs a few "Lawrence Frank" type of assistants who will sleep at the office and do all the grinding work.


Which is why I'd bring GP in as a player development coach at first. Maybe he gets the coaching bug and becomes addicted. Scott definitely needs some super hard working/meticulous types on his staff too. I think Madsen fills that role well


Yeah. People think coaching is glamorous. It's really not. Especially assistant coaches. They don't make THAT much money relative to what these guys earned as players. Heck, Ty Lue is one of the highest paid assistants and he's just north of $1m.

So if these guys don't have that fire in their belly (comparable to when they played), then, yeah, limit their status as an assistant coach (which is another reason why bench/role players seem to make better coaches than star players...)


Agreed. Any suggestions for an elder statesman assistant Yinoma? Someone to play the Bickerstaff role?
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I mean I love guys like GP and Horry on paper. But will they grind and do the hard and thankless work that assistants have to do?

Someone has to review video and scout plays. I feel these guys will be less diligent only b/c they don't need the $ as opposed to guys who are earning $20k as video guys who grind and move up the ladder (and work 70 hours a week). Scott needs a few "Lawrence Frank" type of assistants who will sleep at the office and do all the grinding work.


Which is why I'd bring GP in as a player development coach at first. Maybe he gets the coaching bug and becomes addicted. Scott definitely needs some super hard working/meticulous types on his staff too. I think Madsen fills that role well


Yeah. People think coaching is glamorous. It's really not. Especially assistant coaches. They don't make THAT much money relative to what these guys earned as players. Heck, Ty Lue is one of the highest paid assistants and he's just north of $1m.

So if these guys don't have that fire in their belly (comparable to when they played), then, yeah, limit their status as an assistant coach (which is another reason why bench/role players seem to make better coaches than star players...)


Agreed. Any suggestions for an elder statesman assistant Yinoma? Someone to play the Bickerstaff role?


I have no idea. Don't know the coaching carousel very well.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
22 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I mean I love guys like GP and Horry on paper. But will they grind and do the hard and thankless work that assistants have to do?

Someone has to review video and scout plays. I feel these guys will be less diligent only b/c they don't need the $ as opposed to guys who are earning $20k as video guys who grind and move up the ladder (and work 70 hours a week). Scott needs a few "Lawrence Frank" type of assistants who will sleep at the office and do all the grinding work.


Which is why I'd bring GP in as a player development coach at first. Maybe he gets the coaching bug and becomes addicted. Scott definitely needs some super hard working/meticulous types on his staff too. I think Madsen fills that role well


Yeah. People think coaching is glamorous. It's really not. Especially assistant coaches. They don't make THAT much money relative to what these guys earned as players. Heck, Ty Lue is one of the highest paid assistants and he's just north of $1m.

So if these guys don't have that fire in their belly (comparable to when they played), then, yeah, limit their status as an assistant coach (which is another reason why bench/role players seem to make better coaches than star players...)


Agreed. Any suggestions for an elder statesman assistant Yinoma? Someone to play the Bickerstaff role?


I have no idea. Don't know the coaching carousel very well.


Me either

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject:

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“I’m getting interested now. A lot of guys knew I wasn’t interested in coaching, but now I’m getting a little interested. I see these young guys out here that needs some help and some guidance from a guy like me. It’s there, but I like what I’m doing right now, I like Fox Sports 1.


Hmm, I don't like the sound of that. Seems like something that you're either interested in, or not interested in. Shouldn't be something that you have muster enthusiasm for.
I thnk it has more to do with being with the family or back to the 82 game schedule. I could see how you have to really really think about that! He went through that a long long time as a player. His gig at FS1 is kick back, fly in for a few hours, then fly back home up the state back to the Bay. Cant do that while being a coach. Plus you never know, dude could get a head coaching gig somewhere and coaches make nice money. That should get most people interested. lol
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:08 pm    Post subject:

Get it done, Mitch and Jim.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:14 pm    Post subject:

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“I’m getting interested now. A lot of guys knew I wasn’t interested in coaching, but now I’m getting a little interested. I see these young guys out here that needs some help and some guidance from a guy like me. It’s there, but I like what I’m doing right now, I like Fox Sports 1.


Hmm, I don't like the sound of that. Seems like something that you're either interested in, or not interested in. Shouldn't be something that you have muster enthusiasm for.
I thnk it has more to do with being with the family or back to the 82 game schedule. I could see how you have to really really think about that! He went through that a long long time as a player. His gig at FS1 is kick back, fly in for a few hours, then fly back home up the state back to the Bay. Cant do that while being a coach. Plus you never know, dude could get a head coaching gig somewhere and coaches make nice money. That should get most people interested. lol

GP lives in LA now, according to the article above, so his gig is even more kick back than you describe.

It might take a little time to drum up the enthusiasm he'd need to commit to coaching.

Plus, even if he wants to do it, being a smart (and great) player doesn't necessarily make you a good coach. I have no idea if he'll be successful. But I wouldn't mind seeing him try.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:31 pm    Post subject:

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Glove and Swaggy-P will have a best-dressed showdown before and after practice & games on a daily basis!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:30 am    Post subject:

I would love for Payton & Horry to join this coaching staff, the younger players even though not signed for long time would learn the fundlementals of the game & how to play as a team. Both of these guys had stellar careers, but something tells me both wouldn't do it?

I was never a fan of Gary & disliked his attitude but he knew how to play the game.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:34 am    Post subject:

Again, love the idea of Payton/Horry, but what Scott needs (and has been proven throughout his coaching career) is Xs and Os guys. It's no coincidence that his best years were with Lawrence Frank and Eddie Jordan running the offense/defensive schemes while Scott was the motivational leader. GP/Horry, I have no idea if they can fit that need.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:36 am    Post subject:

What i find weird, and dont give me that KAJ is antisocial and all that shtick, is that Kareem has never been part of a coaching staff. He's nerdy and is an extremely intelligent dude, i dont think he would mind to do all that x and o's boring work and teach some bigmen skills.
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