Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: All Time Laker Disappointments - Players who didn't come through
japanesebeef1 wrote:
As Steve Nash makes news by saying this is his last year, it made me think of other players who excelled elsewhere, but came to the lakers and bombed died to injury or age.
Put all those players on a team in their prime and they would have made a great team! Let's make the best team we can from these players.
So . . . here are the rules. The player must have excelled in another setting. The drop off of their game had to happen when they came to the Lakers. The Lakers were depending on them and got burned.
Here's my all time team, what's yours?
PG - Steve Nash future HOF
SG - Aaron McKie
SF - Cedric Ceballos
PF - Karl Malone future HOF
C - Benoit Benjamin
Cedric Ceballos was solid for us. I've never seen anyone who can offensive rebound put back better than him. Also Karl Malone was playing really well all year till late injury. My list is as follow..
Gary Payton
Dennis Rodman
Isiah Rider
Kaawwwmeee Brown
Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Isaiah Rider
Mitch Richmond
Jimmy Jackson
Glenn Rice
Dennis Rodman
Gary Payton
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Malone played great defense in the Western Conference Finals against Duncan and Malone was playing with one leg!. He literally shut down Duncan better than Shaq ever had.
For real, all the haters loved them failing but if Malone is healthy it's anyone's series. GP at that point in his career was still a solid defender. I don't care about the fit in the triangle, the man should have stepped up and found a way to contribute. He played like he didn't want to be there and then didn't report to Boston when they shipped him out. That said, I'd be cool with him as a coach.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:08 pm Post subject:
I think Dwight Howard is a better choice then Benjamin. It was sitting right in front of me and I missed it. Good argument on Ceballos, but like others I just can't get past Havasu. Malone's injury cost us any chance at the title, injury counts for disappointment.
Pau is out . . . championships baby. I choose Nash over Payton, longer contract. Jamison was never supposed to be the next great thing. He was to be a role player.
McKie is the toughest one for me. The two guard has been either Hall of Fame, stellar or stinky from the get go. McKie had a number of very good years and nothing for us, but not on the level of Howard, Nash, Malone, and Ceballos.
I think Karl Malone is a horrible human being, but he shouldn't be on anybodies list of all time disappointments as a Laker.
Malone did exactly what was expected of him during his stint with the Lakers. He just got hurt and couldn't help us in the finals.
Dwight obviously has to be the list. It wasn't even about him being hurt so much as his attitude. Most of us didn't expect him to be so petulant during his stint with the team.
Dwight Howard - guy had a chance of being immortalized, instead chose to play second fiddle to Harden. LOL
NVE - Cancun.
Eddie Jones - got Glen Riced.
Magic - too short a career (couldve won 2-3 more)
Karl Malone - hunting-gate
Aaron Mckie/Jim Jackson
Kwame Brown - cake episode
Lamar Odom - initiating from out of bounds
Pau Gasol - quit after the last championship run
Cedric Ceballos - gone fishin'
Steve Nash - unable to play
Are you (bleep) kidding me? You put Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on this list? They won us two championships you fool
You should have your account removed for listing those two
Dwight Howard - guy had a chance of being immortalized, instead chose to play second fiddle to Harden. LOL
NVE - Cancun.
Eddie Jones - got Glen Riced.
Magic - too short a career (couldve won 2-3 more)
Karl Malone - hunting-gate
Aaron Mckie/Jim Jackson
Kwame Brown - cake episode
Lamar Odom - initiating from out of bounds
Pau Gasol - quit after the last championship run
Cedric Ceballos - gone fishin'
Steve Nash - unable to play
Are you (bleep) kidding me? You put Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on this list? They won us two championships you fool
You should have your account removed for listing those two
He put Magic on the list too. Might as well throw West, Wilt, Kobe, and Shaq on the list too then since they all could have won more titles than they did. Just dumb.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject:
Dwight's the biggest disappointment IMO. He had the nerve to "embrace" all the comparisons to other legendary Laker big men, yet he (bleep) and fussed all year, and then high tailed out of town at the first sign of adversity.
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: All Time Laker Disappointments - Players who didn't come through
In his first season in LA Ceballos set his career highs in points, rebounds, assists, and three point percentage. His two full seasons in LA were the only years he averaged 20+ points. I don't think he belongs on that list.
Dwight Howard - guy had a chance of being immortalized, instead chose to play second fiddle to Harden. LOL
NVE - Cancun.
Eddie Jones - got Glen Riced.
Magic - too short a career (couldve won 2-3 more)
Karl Malone - hunting-gate
Aaron Mckie/Jim Jackson
Kwame Brown - cake episode
Lamar Odom - initiating from out of bounds
Pau Gasol - quit after the last championship run
Cedric Ceballos - gone fishin'
Steve Nash - unable to play
Are you (bleep) kidding me? You put Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on this list? They won us two championships you fool
You should have your account removed for listing those two
He put Magic on the list too. Might as well throw West, Wilt, Kobe, and Shaq on the list too then since they all could have won more titles than they did. Just dumb.
throwing West, Wilt, Kobe and Shaq on the list is just dumb... why would you do that? just dumb. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it."
Dwight Howard is number 1 on the list given the expectations and what transpired in the end.
He couldn't even make it halfway through the season without complaining and making excuses.
He was demanding more touches in the post one moment then blaming his struggles on not being healthy/in shape.
If you know you're not healthy/in shape why in gods name would you demand more touches? never mind the the fact that if everyone was healthy he wouldn't even be the third most effective player on that team offensively.
Speaking of Benoit, Doug Christie who came along with him, belongs on your list. He was touted coming out of Pepperdine and was pretty good for the Kings while doing next to nothing for the Lakers.
How long was Doug a Laker? Three days?
Christie showed flashes as a Laker but was raw. Lakers drafted Eddie Jones - who was a better version of Christie - and Eddie murdered Doug in training camp. The Lakers decided to move Doug because there wouldn't be any playing time for him. Dr. Buss was also pinching pennies at that time, so they pretty much gave Christie away to avoid paying him. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Dwight Howard - guy had a chance of being immortalized, instead chose to play second fiddle to Harden. LOL
NVE - Cancun.
Eddie Jones - got Glen Riced.
Magic - too short a career (couldve won 2-3 more)
Karl Malone - hunting-gate
Aaron Mckie/Jim Jackson
Kwame Brown - cake episode
Lamar Odom - initiating from out of bounds
Pau Gasol - quit after the last championship run
Cedric Ceballos - gone fishin'
Steve Nash - unable to play
Are you (bleep) kidding me? You put Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on this list? They won us two championships you fool
You should have your account removed for listing those two
He put Magic on the list too. Might as well throw West, Wilt, Kobe, and Shaq on the list too then since they all could have won more titles than they did. Just dumb.
throwing West, Wilt, Kobe and Shaq on the list is just dumb... why would you do that? just dumb.
Just as dumb as including Magic and Pau and Lamar on it, which was my none too subtle point.
1 - D. Howard - all we heard about was the guy's motor/work ethic, but all we saw was a pouting buffoon.
2 - Glen Rice - amazing thing to say about a guy who won a championship here, but he was all about his money and his numbers as a Laker were modest.
3 - Spencer Haywood - Hall of Fame talent who became the poster child for the NBA's cocaine problem.
4 - Isaiah Rider - woulda/coulda/shoulda been huge coming off the bench . . . but didn't even make the playoff roster.
5 - Steve Nash - I didn't expect MVP, but the guy hasn't done anything but steal money since he's been here. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: All Time Laker Disappointments - Players who didn't come through
japanesebeef1 wrote:
So . . . here are the rules. The player must have excelled in another setting. The drop off of their game had to happen when they came to the Lakers. The Lakers were depending on them and got burned.
Here's my all time team, what's yours?
PG - Steve Nash future HOF
SG - Aaron McKie
SF - Cedric Ceballos
PF - Karl Malone future HOF
C - Benoit Benjamin
You mean Cedric Ceballos, the all-star? He never even started in Phoenix, how did his game "drop off" when he came here?
Dwight Howard - guy had a chance of being immortalized, instead chose to play second fiddle to Harden. LOL
NVE - Cancun.
Eddie Jones - got Glen Riced.
Magic - too short a career (couldve won 2-3 more)
Karl Malone - hunting-gate
Aaron Mckie/Jim Jackson
Kwame Brown - cake episode
Lamar Odom - initiating from out of bounds
Pau Gasol - quit after the last championship run
Cedric Ceballos - gone fishin'
Steve Nash - unable to play
Are you (bleep) kidding me? You put Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on this list? They won us two championships you fool
You should have your account removed for listing those two
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom
Stating it against doesn't mean it any less wrong. Both players played as well or better for us than they ever did elsewhere. So, no, there was no "drop off" in their game from their previous stops.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:33 am Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
EchoZulu wrote:
And btw OP, when did Benoit ever excel?
Speaking of Benoit, Doug Christie who came along with him, belongs on your list. He was touted coming out of Pepperdine and was pretty good for the Kings while doing next to nothing for the Lakers.
How long was Doug a Laker? Three days?
2 years and played 88 games to be exact. _________________ The butter's hard and the eggs are chillin' in the dark.
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