Love it.
Run elements of all of them.
Princeton. Tri. UCLA 1-4.
Run 'em all!
Add to that a "Riley-esque" emphasis on tough, hard-nosed defense??
And we get to watch Randle and Clarkson develop??
Sign me up!
Win or lose, next year is going to be fun!
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I totally agree!
If the Lakers can get some defensive fundamentals in place, I will consider this a successful season -- even if the offense is still a work in progress.
Re the offense, one thing I will be very curious to see is the Pace. The Lakers have many players with very good speed, even the guys with length are fast (Randle, Lin, Young, Hill, Wes, X, Kelly, Davis, Clarkson). But they also have a few veterans (Kobe, Nash and Boozer) who will probably be better playing at a slower pace.
I prefer a team that plays with pace, but we will see what works best for this team.
The top 8 teams in terms of offensive efficiency last year were all in the the top 12 NBA teams in terms of pace, except for Miami and Dallas. The numbers below show offensive efficiency. The rankings (in parentheses) show pace ranking.
LA Clippers – 109.4 (7th)
Miami – 109.0 (27th)
Dallas – 109.0 (17th)
Houston – 108.6 (5th)
Portland – 108.3 (10th)
San Antonio – 108.2 (12th)
Oklahoma City – 108.1 (9th)
Phoenix – 107.1 (8th)
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:02 pm Post subject:
Call the offense what you want. I expect to see Kobe in the high or low post. Shooters and slashers everywhere. 4 out, 1 in. He's the one in. Even jordan hill can space the floor at the extended baseline.
When the double comes to kobe, up to the other guys to make the plays. Boozer is a catch and shoot specialist. Young and Xavier can catch and shoot or attack the close out pretty well. Lin, clarkson, and hill I expect mixed results.
Scott would really impress me if, he anchors with a lin and boozer/randle pick and roll when Kobe's on the bench. Of course if swaggy is popping off, he should get the ball when Kobe's out. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Wesley Johnson, Xavier Henry, Nick Young, Jordan Hill, Robert Sacre (not suggesting he's a huge part of the rotation) Ryan Kelly were all on the team last year.
Given that Byron Scott had such an up close and personal view of the Lakers and their players from being an analyst I would be disappointed if he fails to put them in positions to succeed. This isn't like other situations where the coach may not be familiar with the players.
Please, for the love of god, let Swaggy P be Swaggy P. Let Xavier Henry be Xavier Henry. Dont try to turn them into something they're not.
You can see some Princeton, Triangle, and Horns. Some of the players should already be pretty familiar with it, especially Kobe.
Yep. Kobe knows the Triangle and Princeton offenses. Steve, Jordan and Rob knows a little Princeton. Nick knows the Princeton. Wes knows the Triangle. Rest don't know any of the Tri and Princeton.
The key for Byron will be to get everyone to buy into what he wants to implement, on both sides of the ball. Training camp will be a critical test to see if he can successfully set the tone for the rest of the season.
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:14 am Post subject:
Spill512 wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
LAKERSCMXCIX wrote:
We tried the Princeton offense with mike (bleep) for brains brown. He lost 4 out of 5 games with an all star line up
That had little to do with the offense.
Nash said the Princeton offense didn't click for the team in the Grantland interview, iirc.
One of the things I liked in the interview I saw of BScott last night was he said he was NOT going to try to run the entire Princeton all at once. He wants to introduce elements of it, and have the team learn it more over time. I think Mike Brown's mistake was trying to switch everything over all at once. Not only did some guys clearly not get it, but he had these crazy long practices, even on game day which wore our vets out, etc.
Sounds like BScott has a more balanced approach in mind.
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:24 am Post subject:
Defense is more important, it's obvious that the Lakers under Scott will run some kind of motion/passing offense. Like most teams the Lakers will run off their defense, the better the defense the better the offense. _________________ .....
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:12 pm Post subject:
I don't see the best fit for this roster being a motion offense such as the Princeton cuts. Success in that tye of system requires a fairly well-distributed perimeter shooting roster. That's not this club. It is also usually not the best choice for a squad containing one or more ball-dominant one-on-one aces. We have three if not four of our five best players being exactly that, one-on-one artists. I don't see much success with it next season.
I don't see the best fit for this roster being a motion offense such as the Princeton cuts. Success in that tye of system requires a fairly well-distributed perimeter shooting roster. That's not this club. It is also usually not the best choice for a squad containing one or more ball-dominant one-on-one aces. We have three if not four of our five best players being exactly that, one-on-one artists. I don't see much success with it next season.
I very much doubt we will run a full princeton offense.
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:42 am Post subject:
Wilkes52 wrote:
I don't see the best fit for this roster being a motion offense such as the Princeton cuts. Success in that tye of system requires a fairly well-distributed perimeter shooting roster. That's not this club. It is also usually not the best choice for a squad containing one or more ball-dominant one-on-one aces. We have three if not four of our five best players being exactly that, one-on-one artists. I don't see much success with it next season.
Kobe being maybe the best 1 on 1 player ever has always had most success in the triangle. It is for him mostly that we need some sets of Princeton because he thrives in a system offense. For Lin, it can open things up for him, I'd say Boozer is very well roundedn offensively.
Some Princeton sets are a must IMO.
I don't see the best fit for this roster being a motion offense such as the Princeton cuts. Success in that tye of system requires a fairly well-distributed perimeter shooting roster. That's not this club. It is also usually not the best choice for a squad containing one or more ball-dominant one-on-one aces. We have three if not four of our five best players being exactly that, one-on-one artists. I don't see much success with it next season.
I think the video posted above is what we will see...with a healthy dose of PnR in the mix. From Scott's presser that seemed to be what he was hinting at. Running maybe one sequence from the Princeton that they master and a lot of other stuff (which if Mike Brown had any sense, he would have done instead of going full Princeton on everyone). Since Scott watched the team closely, we'll probably see a little from last year, too, that the team is familiar with and ran well.
I don't see the best fit for this roster being a motion offense such as the Princeton cuts. Success in that tye of system requires a fairly well-distributed perimeter shooting roster. That's not this club. It is also usually not the best choice for a squad containing one or more ball-dominant one-on-one aces. We have three if not four of our five best players being exactly that, one-on-one artists. I don't see much success with it next season.
I think the video posted above is what we will see...with a healthy dose of PnR in the mix. From Scott's presser that seemed to be what he was hinting at. Running maybe one sequence from the Princeton that they master and a lot of other stuff (which if Mike Brown had any sense, he would have done instead of going full Princeton on everyone). Since Scott watched the team closely, we'll probably see a little from last year, too, that the team is familiar with and ran well.
Here's that video for those who missed it:
I think Boozer and Lin would benefit from Princeton offense,
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject:
Triangle actions and Horns are the sets I see making sense for this roster. The continuity/ball screen stuff early in that video is the same antiquated junk Brown tried to force feed them.
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject:
DancingBarry wrote:
Wilkes52 wrote:
I don't see the best fit for this roster being a motion offense such as the Princeton cuts. Success in that tye of system requires a fairly well-distributed perimeter shooting roster. That's not this club. It is also usually not the best choice for a squad containing one or more ball-dominant one-on-one aces. We have three if not four of our five best players being exactly that, one-on-one artists. I don't see much success with it next season.
I think the video posted above is what we will see...with a healthy dose of PnR in the mix. From Scott's presser that seemed to be what he was hinting at. Running maybe one sequence from the Princeton that they master and a lot of other stuff (which if Mike Brown had any sense, he would have done instead of going full Princeton on everyone). Since Scott watched the team closely, we'll probably see a little from last year, too, that the team is familiar with and ran well.
Here's that video for those who missed it:
Lin, Bryant, and Young would LOVE those looks and perimeter shots.
I do like the motion sets. They are the ones that most closely resemble Mike Brown's interpretation of the Princeton.
Still, when the Lakers ran the Princeton, Bryant was able to backdoor his defender and get a WIDE open lane to the hoop. That option is available in Scott's interpretation, but isn't available because the defense plays soft. The players settle for open 20' jumpshots instead.
There is a better way to get penetration towards the hoop, on and off-the-ball. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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