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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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It comes down to can Boozer and Randle defend better than Gasol and Hill. We will see. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:28 am Post subject: |
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gravity 2015 wrote: | Boozer hasn't even suited up yet and he's already got more haters than he's had in his hole career. Well Boozer welcome to the team people love to hate |
Quote: | The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated..
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BOOZER WILL COME IN WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE!
CB is only 32 & everyone acts like he's all washed up. The guy knows the game & is a true professional having played for Coach K at Duke.
His play will be an asset to the Lakers and he is reportedly in very good shape.
CB will also be a great mentor for the younger players, Julius Randle in particular.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:43 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: |
Re: 3, I'm less a fan of the dRTG stat.So Noah's dRTG was 96; Boozer's was 98. Are you telling me that Boozer should have been in consideration for DPOY? Scottie Pippen in 1994 had a 98 dRTG. Boozer's career dRTG average is 101.9, Lebron's is 102.10. See the flaw with this rating? Lebron's highest dRTG stat was 97 in 2011-12. KG, considered one of the top PF defenders has a career 99 dRTG. I frankly think it's a highly misleading stat.
Again, no problems with Boozer at 3m. He will be a solid player and mentor for Randle. But to say he is a defensive presence is misguided. |
That is the kind of overreaction LG is well known for (myself included at times). All it tells us is that Boozer wasn't a much worse defender than Gibson, despite what we read in the media and on message boards. Boozer is nowhere near a top defensive PF, but he isn't close to the bottom either. Looking at a list of NBA PFs, there is only one in the league that I would call a top defender (Anthony Davis). |
Actually all it tells us is dRTG is a highly flawed metric for defense. It's nearly impossible to encapsulate defense via advanced stats because a lot of good defense isn't accounted in the books. I have good friends who are die hard Chicago fans and they laugh when I ask them about boozer's defense. So let's not use dRTG as "proof" of Boozer's defensive efficacy. |
There is no perfect statistics... You just need to carefully when using it. But there is no proof that Boozer is a bad defender just the narrative... |
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:48 am Post subject: |
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mastersworddude wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | mastersworddude wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: |
Re: 3, I'm less a fan of the dRTG stat.So Noah's dRTG was 96; Boozer's was 98. Are you telling me that Boozer should have been in consideration for DPOY? Scottie Pippen in 1994 had a 98 dRTG. Boozer's career dRTG average is 101.9, Lebron's is 102.10. See the flaw with this rating? Lebron's highest dRTG stat was 97 in 2011-12. KG, considered one of the top PF defenders has a career 99 dRTG. I frankly think it's a highly misleading stat.
Again, no problems with Boozer at 3m. He will be a solid player and mentor for Randle. But to say he is a defensive presence is misguided. |
That is the kind of overreaction LG is well known for (myself included at times). All it tells us is that Boozer wasn't a much worse defender than Gibson, despite what we read in the media and on message boards. Boozer is nowhere near a top defensive PF, but he isn't close to the bottom either. Looking at a list of NBA PFs, there is only one in the league that I would call a top defender (Anthony Davis). |
I'll take the opinion of the majority of Bulls fans who watched him for 4 years over arbitrary stats.
It's the same thing like when I see Bulls fans trying to push Gasol as an OK defender. Obviously most of us know better. |
Maybe I am not understanding, but you take the Bull's fans opinions regarding Boozer but not Gasol? Isn't that cherry picking? For the record, I grew up in Southern Illinois and feel that most people from Chicago are dumber than rocks. My apologies to rocks. |
That's not the point. I'm saying fans who watch every game will generally know a player better than fans who will just check stats and draw conclusions from that. I see both Lakers and Bulls fans doing it for Boozer and Gasol respectively. I'm not saying they all do it or look at the fanbase as some hive mind If I wasn't clear.
I don't know why you threw in that jab. |
But how do you obtain the majority opinion of the fan base?... |
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Coming in thinking it is a official thread about booze. Okay never mind, I like Boozer as much as the next guy anyway. |
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K28 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I expect Pau to benefit from a change in scenery, and I'm hoping the same is true for Boozer. If he does pan out for us, it could be huge. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:35 am Post subject: |
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kray28_ wrote: | I expect Pau to benefit from a change in scenery, and I'm hoping the same is true for Boozer. If he does pan out for us, it could be huge. |
I'm hoping for that as well. He has a chip on his shoulder for sure. |
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K0BEE 2.0 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm really excited about the prospect of Boozer returning to his Utah Jazz all-star form..... he is still very young and still has a few prime years left.... I think if he plays like he did with the Jazz... we would be in contention in the WC. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Some of his highlight games with the Jazz are very impressive... he has a great roll and pop. He also doesn't seem very selfish at all on the offense. His post moves look polished, and he mixes up a lot of different types of shots - mid range, short hooks, fadeaways.
I don't see why he can't return to that form. I think he excels playing a 2 man game with a pg. The amount of PnR he did with Deron Williams on the Jazz made the commentators refer to Stockton/Malone quite a bit.
His strength has always been rebounding and offense. If he can get a role that focuses on these two things, then I think he'll have a great year at the Lakers. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Spyckie wrote: | Some of his highlight games with the Jazz are very impressive... he has a great roll and pop. He also doesn't seem very selfish at all on the offense. His post moves look polished, and he mixes up a lot of different types of shots - mid range, short hooks, fadeaways.
I don't see why he can't return to that form. I think he excels playing a 2 man game with a pg. The amount of PnR he did with Deron Williams on the Jazz made the commentators refer to Stockton/Malone quite a bit.
His strength has always been rebounding and offense. If he can get a role that focuses on these two things, then I think he'll have a great year at the Lakers. |
He was a very good player in Utah, but that was 5 years ago too. Just doesn't have the pop physically anymore and doesn't move his feet. But he's still strong, should help on boards, and can mentor Randle. That's a good deal at $3m. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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K0BEE 2.0 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | He was a very good player in Utah, but that was 5 years ago too. Just doesn't have the pop physically anymore and doesn't move his feet. But he's still strong, should help on boards, and can mentor Randle. That's a good deal at $3m. |
Like I mentioned, a couple of times.... the Bulls did not use Boozer the right way and he still had some solid moments up there.... if you use him in you're vocal offense which the Bulls did not do because they were more focused on Noah/Gibson then I don't see why he can't pay better then he did in Chicago. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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If Boozer contributes 13 and 8, you guys should be happy. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | He was a very good player in Utah, but that was 5 years ago too. Just doesn't have the pop physically anymore and doesn't move his feet. But he's still strong, should help on boards, and can mentor Randle. That's a good deal at $3m. |
Like I mentioned, a couple of times.... the Bulls did not use Boozer the right way and he still had some solid moments up there.... if you use him in you're vocal offense which the Bulls did not do because they were more focused on Noah/Gibson then I don't see why he can't pay better then he did in Chicago. |
He's not getting more minutes in LA than he did with the Bulls. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Spyckie wrote: | Some of his highlight games with the Jazz are very impressive... he has a great roll and pop. He also doesn't seem very selfish at all on the offense. His post moves look polished, and he mixes up a lot of different types of shots - mid range, short hooks, fadeaways.
I don't see why he can't return to that form. I think he excels playing a 2 man game with a pg. The amount of PnR he did with Deron Williams on the Jazz made the commentators refer to Stockton/Malone quite a bit.
His strength has always been rebounding and offense. If he can get a role that focuses on these two things, then I think he'll have a great year at the Lakers. |
He was a very good player in Utah, but that was 5 years ago too. Just doesn't have the pop physically anymore and doesn't move his feet. But he's still strong, should help on boards, and can mentor Randle. That's a good deal at $3m. |
Great deal. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I know the sample size is miniscule, and I'm not jumping to conclusions, but just saying that from what I've seen in camp so far he does not look impressive at all. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Boozer is averaging over 14PPG so far in the preseason... even with the full offensive system not set... imagine what he's gonna do when the full system is set. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: |
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I am hoping that Boozer will get rejuvenate in a new system, and perhaps a system that suits him better. Lin said that Boozer and J Hill is good at Pick and Pop |
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:45 am Post subject: |
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From what I have seen from Boozer... 20/8 for the season is not out of question... he diff looks energized despite some lazy defensive plays down-low which I'm guessing has to do with fatigue more then anything.... I think Boozer is gonna have an all-star season if he brings it every night. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:46 am Post subject: |
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K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | From what I have seen from Boozer... 20/8 for the season is not out of question... he diff looks energized despite some lazy defensive plays down-low which I'm guessing has to do with fatigue more then anything.... I think Boozer is gonna have an all-star season if he brings it every night. |
Please...just please. Are you doing this to spite us all? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I don't form opinions on vets in the preseason, they know the rigors of the regular season and often are on cruise control. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Why would I spite you guys? Boozer diff looks Impressive... his jumper is still pure. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:55 am Post subject: |
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K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | Why would I spite you guys? Boozer diff looks Impressive... his jumper is still pure. |
Against pre-season scrubs sure. But against real 1st-2nd unit guys? Not so much. He's also going to play less minutes than when he used to average 20/10. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:57 am Post subject: |
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He's been shooting jumpers over good players through out his NBA career... so not sure why you think Boozer's performance is a fluke.... he's always been a headache for opposition players. |
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