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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:36 am    Post subject: Wal-Mart Loss Prevention Gets Stabbed While Trying to Detain Shoplifter




Pretty bloody video in the end.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:38 am    Post subject:

I thought those guys were there mostly to keep the employees from stealing. He should have called the cops. A case of a man thinking he was going to be the hero of the day.

That security guard should be arrested and fired.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:41 am    Post subject:

Yeah I always thought the policy was "let them go" if they leave the store.

I worked at home depot a while ago, and the policy was to let them go because it wasn't worth getting stabbed over.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:45 am    Post subject:

There should be a sniper on the roof. If someone stabs an employee, shoot to kill.

And have a big sign. If you attack our employee with a deadly weapon a sniper will shoot you.

And make sure the sniper isn't a 9yr old girl trying to snipe using an Uzi.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject:

Shameful, the thief may have a suit. Security's job is To Observe And Report. If I'm not mistaken you're not allowed to put your hands on anyone unless there is a threat to self, employees or customers.

Some of the comments crack me up.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:20 am    Post subject:

It's kind of sad that some people here are so anti-cop that they will side with a scumbag thief who stabs a security guard.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject:

Loss prevention is allowed to stop shoplifters right outside the store, if they run your suppose to let them go but most throw a punch where you are then allowed to "defend" yourself and detain the person until the police show up. I worked LP years back just trying to have a job as a youngster on Crenshaw and Slauson, not the business.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:42 am    Post subject:

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It's kind of sad that some people here are so anti-cop that they will side with a scumbag thief who stabs a security guard.


It was a rent-a-cop that did this....
Theres a reason why Walmart lets the thieves go and reports it to the real cops because if the rent-a-cop causes the thief personal injury, the company is going to face a potential lawsuit. Walmart can always get more of their products, in fact the loss is probably not that great to begin with compared to what a lawyer with dollar signs sees.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject:

There are two wrongs at play, the thief and security. The thief for stealing, security for putting his hands on him.

This video is not doing security any good. Him saying stop resisting, stop resisting, isn't going to look good for him. It's the favorite phrase of police when arresting a supposed violator. Kinda makes him a wanna-be.

Six months for shoplifting, maybe more for assault with a deadly weapon, undisclosed amount in a law suit. Wal-Mart loses, thief loses, gets paid, still loses.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:45 pm    Post subject:

Holy backwards moral compass, Batman!

Forget about any potential lawsuit for a second. This guy STOLE something, then STABBED the person trying to stop him. If anyone here doesn't believe that he was 100% wrong by any sort of moral measure, they're (bleep) insane.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject:

The security guard was out of line and didn't have the authority to do what he did. Pointing that out doesn't make the thief innocent. You can't dole out vigilante justice to shop lifters without getting in trouble. And the beat down he was giving him on the ground was out of line.

Its amazing how sadistic some of the people on this board are to think you can just beat the snot out of a shop lifter and its the shop lifters fault. Thank god none of you are Justices.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject:

They attempted to detain and restrain the shoplifter. He was pinned against a car and they were trying to handcuff him. This is when he resisted and ASSAULTED THEM WITH A DEADLY WEAPON.

Tell you what, maybe you have more restraint than I, but if a guy stabbed me, I'd beat the (bleep) out of him too. Especially if he still had the knife in his hand, which he did when they began to actually hit him.

That dirtbag thief deserved everything that he got, and I hope he rots in jail for long enough that any settlement he reaches won't be worth it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:09 pm    Post subject:

Jeffs wrote:
Holy backwards moral compass, Batman!

Forget about any potential lawsuit for a second. This guy STOLE something, then STABBED the person trying to stop him. If anyone here doesn't believe that he was 100% wrong by any sort of moral measure, they're (bleep) insane.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:16 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
It's kind of sad that some people here are so anti-cop that they will side with a scumbag thief who stabs a security guard.



Well, let's assume there was an actual theft. Then the thief was wrong for that and should face criminal charges. Since he wasn't being detained by police, had two people attacking him and one was much bigger than him, then he had the right to use the knife in an attempt to protect himself. The LP people were in the wrong throughout this entire video. They had no right to place their hands on him, nor to hit him once he was on the ground. And BTW, they didn't know how to fight for (bleep).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:18 pm    Post subject:

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Loss prevention is allowed to stop shoplifters right outside the store, if they run your suppose to let them go but most throw a punch where you are then allowed to "defend" yourself and detain the person until the police show up. I worked LP years back just trying to have a job as a youngster on Crenshaw and Slauson, not the business.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject:

dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
The security guard was out of line and didn't have the authority to do what he did. Pointing that out doesn't make the thief innocent. You can't dole out vigilante justice to shop lifters without getting in trouble. And the beat down he was giving him on the ground was out of line.

Its amazing how sadistic some of the people on this board are to think you can just beat the snot out of a shop lifter and its the shop lifters fault. Thank god none of you are Justices.

Allow me to rephrase, I think we video witnessed two wrongs. You can't absolve either of their wrongs. If I had to place weight, I'd place more on the thief, he was the instigator.

Having worked security when times were difficult, I'm aware of what's expected. You can't touch anyone unless they are a danger to you, employees or the public. You are INSTRUCTED to Observe And Report.

I don't know if these procedures are still in force. It's been 40 plus years since I worked in that field. .

Shlumpledink If they don't leave the store you can't detain them for shoplifting. They can always claim they were going to pay for the merchandise.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:01 pm    Post subject:

I don't fault anything security did, I just think they could have avoided being stabbed. I have no idea if they were seriously injured, but it isn't worth it in my opinion. Safety is what I am most concerned about, you don't know what these people are capable of.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:26 pm    Post subject:

WHy didn't these guys have at least a taser or something on them? That was sloppy and unnecessary.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:34 pm    Post subject:

So what was it the thief took? You can't commit a battery to stop a petty theft.

Here is Walmart's official policy:

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"PUT PEOPLE FIRST. Protecting the physical well-being of suspects, customers and Wal-Mart Associates is your first priority. If at any point the Suspect or any other involved person becomes violent, disengage from the confrontation, withdraw to a safe position, and contact law enforcement. If at any point the Suspect or any other involved person exerts physical resistance, determine whether your next reasonable step is to disengage from the confrontation, or move to an authorized detention method. Associates may only defend themselves or others to the extent necessary to disengage the Suspect and to withdraw from the situation. After disengagement, Associates should contact law enforcement."

Wal-Mart policy is that suspects can only be detained "in a reasonable manner, for a reasonable period of time. Employees are instructed to "utilize good judgment in determining whether detention is authorized and the manner in which to proceed. Remember: protecting the physical well-being of Suspects, customers and Walmart Associates is your first priority."

"Only the least amount of force necessary to affect the detention under the circumstances may be utilized. If restraint is attempted and the Suspect cannot be controlled with a reasonable level of force, disengage from the situation, withdraw to a safe position, and contact law enforcement."

Wal-Mart workers are told to "always honor a suspect's request for medical attention," and on the list of "prohibited techniques" employees are warned "never place a Suspect in a prone position unless you are unable to safely disengage from an encounter and need to do so to prevent the Suspect from committing a violent act. A Suspect in a prone position should be constantly monitored and moved to a sitting or standing position as soon as reasonably possible."


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Those security guards are on the hook for their actions. Doubtful Walmart will provide them with council. VERY likely they will be fired for being in violation of written company policy. Walmart changed it's loss prevention policies in 2010 after a suspect in Houston died of a heart attack whilst being forcibly detained by Loss Prevention employees. Those 2 guys better hope the guy stole something worth more than $400. If not, they're in deep doo doo and will end up with a criminal record while the petty thief walks due to Walmart not wanting the exposure that will accompany the thiefs civil and criminal lawsuit against the 2 newly unemployed citizens.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:42 pm    Post subject:

Meh. Their got what he deserved. I wouldn't have shed a tear if a car came by and ran over his head.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:13 pm    Post subject:

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In_your_Eye wrote:
Loss prevention is allowed to stop shoplifters right outside the store, if they run your suppose to let them go but most throw a punch where you are then allowed to "defend" yourself and detain the person until the police show up. I worked LP years back just trying to have a job as a youngster on Crenshaw and Slauson, not the business.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:54 pm    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
So what was it the thief took? You can't commit a battery to stop a petty theft.

Here is Walmart's official policy:

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"PUT PEOPLE FIRST. Protecting the physical well-being of suspects, customers and Wal-Mart Associates is your first priority. If at any point the Suspect or any other involved person becomes violent, disengage from the confrontation, withdraw to a safe position, and contact law enforcement. If at any point the Suspect or any other involved person exerts physical resistance, determine whether your next reasonable step is to disengage from the confrontation, or move to an authorized detention method. Associates may only defend themselves or others to the extent necessary to disengage the Suspect and to withdraw from the situation. After disengagement, Associates should contact law enforcement."

Wal-Mart policy is that suspects can only be detained "in a reasonable manner, for a reasonable period of time. Employees are instructed to "utilize good judgment in determining whether detention is authorized and the manner in which to proceed. Remember: protecting the physical well-being of Suspects, customers and Walmart Associates is your first priority."

"Only the least amount of force necessary to affect the detention under the circumstances may be utilized. If restraint is attempted and the Suspect cannot be controlled with a reasonable level of force, disengage from the situation, withdraw to a safe position, and contact law enforcement."

Wal-Mart workers are told to "always honor a suspect's request for medical attention," and on the list of "prohibited techniques" employees are warned "never place a Suspect in a prone position unless you are unable to safely disengage from an encounter and need to do so to prevent the Suspect from committing a violent act. A Suspect in a prone position should be constantly monitored and moved to a sitting or standing position as soon as reasonably possible."


Walmart Official Asset Protection Policy

Those security guards are on the hook for their actions. Doubtful Walmart will provide them with council. VERY likely they will be fired for being in violation of written company policy. Walmart changed it's loss prevention policies in 2010 after a suspect in Houston died of a heart attack whilst being forcibly detained by Loss Prevention employees. Those 2 guys better hope the guy stole something worth more than $400. If not, they're in deep doo doo and will end up with a criminal record while the petty thief walks due to Walmart not wanting the exposure that will accompany the thiefs civil and criminal lawsuit against the 2 newly unemployed citizens.


At the end of the day, these guys are willing to risk and limb over some crappy made in china products that probably cost Walmart a couple of bucks to acquire....not even Walmart wants their employees to stop them, they would rather get the authorities to catch them later on. Is it really worth getting stabbed over it or potentially face battery and assault charges?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:29 pm    Post subject:

My loss prevention buddy that works for Ross has told me that they are not allowed to place one finger on a shoplifter.

And hell, I wouldn't want to get stabbed for some damn candy or something that he was trying to take. Even if it is Reese's Cups.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:04 pm    Post subject:

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My loss prevention buddy that works for Ross has told me that they are not allowed to place one finger on a shoplifter.

And hell, I wouldn't want to get stabbed for some damn candy or something that he was trying to take. Even if it is Reese's Cups.


Thats because those companies know they can call the cops who have an itchy trigger finger to catch the perpetrators....thus letting them off the hook, and putting the burden on the alleged crook to surrender to else to face the consequences.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:47 am    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
In_your_Eye wrote:
Loss prevention is allowed to stop shoplifters right outside the store, if they run your suppose to let them go but most throw a punch where you are then allowed to "defend" yourself and detain the person until the police show up. I worked LP years back just trying to have a job as a youngster on Crenshaw and Slauson, not the business.



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