Pincus: Byron wants to shoot less 3s

Omar Little · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:04 am Post subject:

It does illustrate the injuries. It shows the lack of a decent of in the starting unit, and the lack of actual quality players with the bench unit. And it shows that if LA had their bench and could play the majority of minutes starter vs starter and actual second string vs second string instead of having a third stringer starting and camp fodder off the bench, things are wildly different.
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A good and funny post on Byron's philosophy on 3 https://medium.com/the-cauldron/dying-by-the-two-a3c99f44c543

kikanga · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:25 am Post subject:

There is a balance between shooting enough threes and slowing down the pace of the game to maximize Kobe's effectiveness. Scott is leaning on the latter. I don't blame him. Who is playing on our team right now who is a legit 3 pt threat. Kobe? Lin? Ellington? I don't want those guys each taking 8 threes a game so we shoot over 20 threes a game and LG is happy (relative to now).
Of course when swaggy, Kelly, and X return we will shoot more 3's. But 20+ threes a game seem imprudent with who is currently active on this roster.
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greenfrog · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:53 am Post subject:

I actually wouldn't mind Randle trying some 3's. He'd probably hit them at about the same percentage as his "midrange" shots (actually college 3's are closer to what he's taking).

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Adding up starters points is a very inaccurate way of evaluating the game, especially since the Lakers starters played more minutes and a good chunk of those were in absolute garbage time in the end.

Every single Jazz player had a positive +/-. Every single Lakers player was in the negative. That's not a fluke, that was the Lakers getting outplayed all game no matter who was in. The bench was worse, but the starters were playing behind as well.

During the season, the Lakers starters actually need to build leads against the other teams starters since the Lakers starters are not going to be capable as playing the same amount of minutes (unless Scott is going to be like D'Antoni and run Kobe and Nash out there for 40+ minutes.

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+/- is a pretty bad barometer. Add Kobe to a lineup of Appling, Tyler, Ellington (which he did play with in the 4th) and his +/- is gonna be effected even if he's the most effective guy on the court.

That's why it's a bad barometer and you don't understand it unless you watch the game.

We lost the 1st quarter by 5, our 3rd string got destroyed in the 2nd quarter. We were winning the 3rd quarter(despite the +/-) and then the 3rd string came in and lost it. Then Boozer and Kobe at one point in the 4th shared minutes with the scrubs that were messing up everything and THAT is going to effect your +/-, and eventually Byron put in Wes and Hill for a small moment before sitting them all. +/- doesn't tell you that.

If you played 2 on 2 with LeBron on your team and he was doing all the work and you were sucking and he switched you out with a substitute whom also did terrible then you would be a -4, your friend would be a -5 and LeBron would be a -11. That doesn't mean he was the least effective person in the game. That's why +/- is a bad barometer.

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I try to look more at who is getting the offense cause I know the game is gonna be crap once the third string comes in.

The fact we've had 3 different starting lineups in 4 games there is no mistake that the only true chemistry built has been between Kobe and Boozer(this is also the case at practice today as those two seem to really be getting a fill for each other).

But what hurts our starting lineup the most is that Price, for all his defense and mid range magic, cannot pass the ball to save his life, and doesn't penetrate to the basket nearly as much. it's like Fisher when he could play defense but if you took away his three point shot X_X That pretty much locks up Wes' offense to just threes as he can't rim run, and Kobe isn't gonna shoot threes, neither is Boozer, or Hill or Price. So its a conundrum as we walk into games with that disadvantage. So we have to look at what we do defensively as our offense isn't truly gonna come around till Lin or Nash comes back.

So holding Utah to 25 in the first and 18 in the 3rd are all good things as far as what defensive principles Scott wants to teach.

So you have to see what to critique and what can't be helped. The offense can't truly be helped till we get an actual point guard back like Lin or Nash as well as floor spacers.

The defense, our starters, did some good things. BUT the critique is that they need to yell out screens more and communicate better and box out consistently on defensive and offensive rebounding.

Those are the critiques you can truly take from the game. Other than that the third string really tells us nothing, and we're never gonna see our offense as Byron intends it as long as Price is the guy running it.

So we gotta critique what's actually there to be critiqued instead of things that would be irrelevant once guys got back.

After learning that X is going to Germany and that Kelly is the only one that may return for Sunday it means we're likely gonna see more Ellington..again..

What I want at least before pre-season ends is for everyone to remain healthy from here on and getting Clarkson and Lin back. that could at least help us with some spacing issues and dribble penetration(from Lin) to open the perimeter. Cause right now our offense is handcuffed to our personnel or lack thereof and there's not much we can do about it.

fiendishoc · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:54 pm Post subject:

I've got a newsflash for you. Price and Ellington probably are going to get significant minutes as rotation players this season, unless we have a ton of luck with health. They definitely aren't here to be camp fodder.

No one was ever really arguing that the Lakers would be bad based on the boxscore of one game, which is kind of the strawman that you're setting up. It's the progression of the entire preseason that is sending red flags up everywhere.

1st blowout excuse: didn't play hard enough
2nd blowout excuse: our team is new while the Warriors are awesome
3rd blowout excuse: didn't play hard enough

All the while doubling down on a dated offensive scheme, that even the casual nba fans know is wrong. (Long twos are the worst shot in basketball). Not to mention that a team that focuses 80% on defense with a supposed defensive specialist coach can't defend anyone at all, and looked disturbingly like Byron's Cavs who never improved on that end.

That is what has people in a panic. If you want to argue that the Lakers aren't going to get blown out by 30 by every team in the league, fine. But don't try to parse numbers to excuse something that's clearly not working so far.