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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:04 am    Post subject:

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Wes had 15 pts. 8 reb. 2 stl. and 3 blk....but that certainly doesn't tell the story. His 8 (out of the team's 19) turnovers and the 2 missed free throws at the end of regulation were costly. I could live with missed shots- even the missed free throws at the end- but the unforced, mind-numbing turnovers from Wesley is truly infuriating. These type of errors are completely fixable. But, Wes better get his (bleep) together because he's looking really dumb right now.


After he threw away that inbound pass for Unlucky Number 8, I couldn't believe Byron left him in there. He should have been yanked, IMO.

This is something I'm worried about with Coach Scott ... leeway for players that seem to fall short in supplying what the coach says he demands.


Probably by design. No way he would have been allowed to get to 8 TO's in a regular season game before getting yanked, not to mention getting 40 minutes of playtime with so many bone headed, cringe worthy mistakes.



It was absolutely by design/with blessing. Byron said in his interview that he told Wes he wouldn't yank him for making mistakes - just for lack of effort. Obviously Wes was trying to do things outside his elements. Pre-season is the time to do that. wasn't his fault Hill walked away from the basket.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:07 am    Post subject:

I'm really sick of hearing the terms like "lockdown defender" or "defensive specialist" mentioned when someone talks about Wes. He is none of that, and his awful offense and stupid mistakes don't make his average defense worth it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject:

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I believe Kobe when he says that Wes cares so much about doing well, it just seems that Wes doesn't have the mental toughness to consistently do well. That TO from the long Lin pass is a perfect example, it was all mental. In crunch time I would have preferred to see Randle replacing Wes.


Agreed which is why it's so sad to watch him fail. Analyzing his game at this point is like a putting wounded moth under a magnifying glass to roast. Let this thread die.


I felt bad for Wes, saw him apologizing afterwards for dropping the ball out of bounds. Turnovers out of bounds are ugly but not necessarily the worst thing in the world. I would say that ballstopping and selfish play can arguably be worse because they can get contagious (e.g., not rotating/helping when needed, not boxing out, etc.)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:26 am    Post subject:

Wes is really trying too hard. You can feel the desperation that he sees his NBA career possibly slipping. He's on a guaranteed minimum deal, but if he continues on this trajectory, does not bode well for his future.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:41 am    Post subject:

Kobe Bryant on Wes' missed free-throws


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I think it was good for him to miss them.(The free throws), for in terms of his development. He cares so much about the game that I think he can get really hard on himself at times and he winds up being his own worst enemy.

So, I think it's good for him to have that and then he can get over it and not take himself too seriously and not get too down. And he came back and hit a couple of big threes. I think that was more important for him to have that bounce back than it was hitting the two free-throws.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:43 am    Post subject:

All mistakes are forgivable in the pre-season.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:39 am    Post subject:

Have you seen his passing lately? Absolutely terrible, who passes to a big man on a fast break? Turnover machine. There are so many times where i shake my head at wes and i know im not the only one.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:52 am    Post subject:

Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:55 am    Post subject:

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Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject:

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Probably by design. No way he would have been allowed to get to 8 TO's in a regular season game before getting yanked, not to mention getting 40 minutes of playtime with so many bone headed, cringe worthy mistakes.


I'm hoping it was by design. I know he's got Randle on a short leash and all. I was pleased with the way Wes bounced back with the 2 three-pointers but I'd think some bench time for a bad, mindless error like that one was worthy of pine time ... even if just for a short minute to make a point.


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Preseason games are treated much differently than real games.

Wesley's jump shot has improved. He's also decent on defense.

He's horrible when he tries to do playmaking of any sort. His passing is horrendous. But Byron thinks some of his problems are due to confidence. So in the preseason he's just letting him work through his fears I guess.


He has to find himself as a player but what I'm discovering is that he has these really unfortunate lapses that will keep him a big-time disappointment unless he learns to shore them up ... he can be an Ariza-type like others have mentioned but only if he has a basketball-identity-resurrection.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:00 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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Ellington better play well tonight lol
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:08 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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In the rotation with Denver where he shot 36% from the field and 31% from three.


That's not an upgrade over Wes.

But what he would be is an actual backup 3 which the Lakers need right now cause Ellington ain't cutting it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:11 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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Mitch need to sign him, he's better then Wes at just about everything and he doesn't lack confidence. The Nuggets had too much depth at SF with Gallinari and Wilson Chandler.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject:

^ Mitch absolutely should not, will not sign Miller to supplant Wes. It's going backwards. Besides the cap ramification - cutting a contract (guaranteed) to add another because of impatience is asinine, especially when the new player hasn't shown he is a significant upgrade. We don't need a SF. Kobe can play that.

If this team needs to sign somebody, it has to be another PG. Price got his 10 assists again but it was primarily to outside shooter (Kobe), cheap. Lin with his 5 assists was infinitely better - layups.
McCalebb will be off the market soon. he's a high reward, low investment player. And I also said this about "scrubs" Lin, Patty Mills and Gerald Green way before they became the impact players they are, but nobody believed me. McCalebb will not disappoint.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject:

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^ Mitch absolutely should not, will not sign Miller to supplant Wes. It's going backwards. Besides the cap ramification - cutting a contract (guaranteed) to add another because of impatience is asinine, especially when the new player hasn't shown he is a significant upgrade. We don't need a SF. Kobe can play that.

If this team needs to sign somebody, it has to be another PG. Price got his 10 assists again but it was primarily to outside shooter (Kobe), cheap. Lin with his 5 assists was infinitely better - layups.
McCalebb will be off the market soon. he's a high reward, low investment player. And I also said this about "scrubs" Lin, Patty Mills and Gerald Green way before they became the impact players they are, but nobody believed me. McCalebb will not disappoint.


I think McCalebb likely gets better deals overseas and opportunities. He comes here and he's fighting to stay past the cut date on a minimum deal, while he steps away from a few million on a top Euro team.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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FYI: Earl Clark has been waived by the Grizzlies.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:50 pm    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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FYI: Earl Clark has been waived by the Grizzlies.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:06 pm    Post subject:

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I believe Kobe when he says that Wes cares so much about doing well, it just seems that Wes doesn't have the mental toughness to consistently do well. That TO from the long Lin pass is a perfect example, it was all mental. In crunch time I would have preferred to see Randle replacing Wes.


I really wanted to see that. Why can't BScott ast least test Randle in that situation and bench Wesley for all that stupid plays? This is preseason after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:11 pm    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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FYI: Earl Clark has been waived by the Grizzlies.
but kobe doesnt make you better.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:20 pm    Post subject:

Dave20 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
Quincy Miller was just released by the Nuggets, he was in the Nuggets rotation last year. He would be an upgrade over Wes at SF.


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At Baylor, he served as Julius Randle's host for his visit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Miller

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Mitch need to sign him, he's better then Wes at just about everything and he doesn't lack confidence. The Nuggets had too much depth at SF with Gallinari and Wilson Chandler.
DO IT MITCH..f*** it would we have to lose
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject:

Miller, Clark, anyone.

why are the Lakers so patient with Wes? like Kobe said, he is his own worst enemy and tries way too hard/overthinks things. he doesn't let the game come to him.

please, sign anyone and let him and X (if he can be put back together) share the buck-up minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:55 pm    Post subject:

crackadon wrote:
Miller, Clark, anyone.

why are the Lakers so patient with Wes? like Kobe said, he is his own worst enemy and tries way too hard/overthinks things. he doesn't let the game come to him.

please, sign anyone and let him and X (if he can be put back together) share the buck-up minutes.


Wouldn't mind bringing in any of those two guys to give Wes some run. I think he's sitting way too comfortably right now. He knows that as this team is thin at 3, he can just go out and lay some duds. He has no reason to look over his shoulder right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:34 pm    Post subject:

crackadon wrote:
Miller, Clark, anyone.

why are the Lakers so patient with Wes? like Kobe said, he is his own worst enemy and tries way too hard/overthinks things. he doesn't let the game come to him.

please, sign anyone and let him and X (if he can be put back together) share the buck-up minutes.


Because the Lakers have false hope of Wes becoming the "lockdown defender" or "defensive specialist". Why can't someone in the management or coaching tell Wes that his roll should be to just defend and shoot open 3's mainly. Watching Wes trying to create his own shots makes me wanna
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject:

Wes was one of the few players in the NBA to average a steal and a block last season, and people dislike his turnovers last game, but he also had 2 steals and 3 blocks. Wes can defend. He's not Tony allen, but he's better than anyone else we've got at that position to defend and he's pretty solid at it .

Why complain about Wes' ability to create his own shots? That's not his role at all he's a 3 and D guy not a break you down off the dribble guy nor should it be his job.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:49 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Wes was one of the few players in the NBA to average a steal and a block last season, and people dislike his turnovers last game, but he also had 2 steals and 3 blocks. Wes can defend. He's not Tony allen, but he's better than anyone else we've got at that position to defend and he's pretty solid at it .

Why complain about Wes' ability to create his own shots? That's not his role at all he's a 3 and D guy not a break you down off the dribble guy nor should it be his job.


are you related to or work for Wes?

you defend him in almost every thread and keep repeating the same things.
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