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yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Agreed.
This whole idea of a wholesale 2nd unit is absurd to begin with. I don't know why people on boards love to talk about bench/starters in that sense. Look people, no team swaps out 5 starters for 5 bench guys. It doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. Players are usually staggered in and our of rotations...usually 1 or 2 at a time...maybe 3.
Kobe and Lin can both start and both finish. It's not hard to figure out ways to stagger their minutes so one is in the game at all times. Every team that's ever existed has done this. |
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jonnybravo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
Agree with you.
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Agreed.
This whole idea of a wholesale 2nd unit is absurd to begin with. I don't know why people on boards love to talk about bench/starters in that sense. Look people, no team swaps out 5 starters for 5 bench guys. It doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. Players are usually staggered in and our of rotations...usually 1 or 2 at a time...maybe 3.
Kobe and Lin can both start and both finish. It's not hard to figure out ways to stagger their minutes so one is in the game at all times. Every team that's ever existed has done this. |
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So this means Scott won't start Nash anymore. Right??? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | kray28_ wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
I think that our bench players overall are better than our starters. Why do we have to build a weaker starting line-up?!
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Good point. Outside of Kobe, I don't know why any of the "starters" deserve to start really. Because they're older and more experienced? Doesn't matter if they are inferior players. Get Lin in there at PG, and complement him with the players he works well with. And yes, I think he works well with Kobe. |
I think 3 of our 5 best players (Lin, Randle, Davis) are on the bench right now. |
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jonnybravo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Agreed.
This whole idea of a wholesale 2nd unit is absurd to begin with. I don't know why people on boards love to talk about bench/starters in that sense. Look people, no team swaps out 5 starters for 5 bench guys. It doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. Players are usually staggered in and our of rotations...usually 1 or 2 at a time...maybe 3.
Kobe and Lin can both start and both finish. It's not hard to figure out ways to stagger their minutes so one is in the game at all times. Every team that's ever existed has done this. |
I guess it's a difficult concept in BScott's system |
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Just start your best players Byron!!! Why make things unnecessarily complicated?? |
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Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | kray28_ wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Good point. Outside of Kobe, I don't know why any of the "starters" deserve to start really. Because they're older and more experienced? Doesn't matter if they are inferior players. Get Lin in there at PG, and complement him with the players he works well with. And yes, I think he works well with Kobe. |
I think 3 of our 5 best players (Lin, Randle, Davis) are on the bench right now. |
I'm blanking on who the other starter would be that makes that top 5. Are we talking about Nick Young? |
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Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
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MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
Lin and davis imo should both start. Randle can get his own shot on the 2nd unit. He needs to be the man on the 2nd unit while young is out. it'll be good for him to take on a number 1 option type role even if it's of the 2nd unit. He can also play point forward a bit, sharing ball handling duties w clarkson and price. 2nd unit would be fine.
Kobe needs pressure relief. Boozer is the only other option of the starters who can relieve kobe and that's barely any relief at all. Between price johnson and jhill, kobe can't do it all himself. Having the lin and davis dynamic helps the starters both offensively and defensively. And maybe that way lakers won't be playing catchup from the beginning.
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Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
I actually am a HUGE fan of Price's defense. This side of Kyle Lowry, he's a master of bagging steals and charges, and his defensive metrics have always been very good. He's both competitive, athletic, and with the exception of being foul prone, knows how to get the job done. That's a killer combo.
I agree about the offense, and he's still prone to these awful turnover gaffes, but he had several 10-assist games this season and looks to have an improved jumper, even off the dribble from the games I saw. Now whether this can sustain is a question, but if he can do all that and bring his defense, even at age 31, I'm extremely happy to have him as the backup. Byron sees that as well, calling him a pitbull in practices. He's really underrated for what he does, especially defensively. |
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Lakers_Jester wrote: | MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
Lin and davis imo should both start. Randle can get his own shot on the 2nd unit. He needs to be the man on the 2nd unit while young is out. it'll be good for him to take on a number 1 option type role even if it's of the 2nd unit. He can also play point forward a bit, sharing ball handling duties w clarkson and price. 2nd unit would be fine.
Kobe needs pressure relief. Boozer is the only other option of the starters who can relieve kobe and that's barely any relief at all. Between price johnson and jhill, kobe can't do it all himself. Having the lin and davis dynamic helps the starters both offensively and defensively. And maybe that way lakers won't be playing catchup from the beginning. |
Problem is the philosophy isn't "just put all 5 of the best players in the starting lineup and let the bench fend for themselves"
You don't do that unless you have 3 superstars on your team.
As of right now if Lin and Davis were starting the bench unit would have Price and Hill and the offense would become even more stagnant than it can already get at times and the bench would find no rhythm and the starters would have to come back in sooner. That's not good. |
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MJST wrote: | Lakers_Jester wrote: | MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
Lin and davis imo should both start. Randle can get his own shot on the 2nd unit. He needs to be the man on the 2nd unit while young is out. it'll be good for him to take on a number 1 option type role even if it's of the 2nd unit. He can also play point forward a bit, sharing ball handling duties w clarkson and price. 2nd unit would be fine.
Kobe needs pressure relief. Boozer is the only other option of the starters who can relieve kobe and that's barely any relief at all. Between price johnson and jhill, kobe can't do it all himself. Having the lin and davis dynamic helps the starters both offensively and defensively. And maybe that way lakers won't be playing catchup from the beginning. |
Problem is the philosophy isn't "just put all 5 of the best players in the starting lineup and let the bench fend for themselves"
You don't do that unless you have 3 superstars on your team.
As of right now if Lin and Davis were starting the bench unit would have Price and Hill and the offense would become even more stagnant than it can already get at times and the bench would find no rhythm and the starters would have to come back in sooner. That's not good. |
Why are you so concerned about the Bench? its not like 5 starter out and 5 bench come in.
in the regular season, there are only 8-9 players in the normal rotation, there will always be at least 1-2 starters in the game all the time.
look at Portland, their bench is one of the worse in the league, yet they still reached the 2nd round playoffs, they where also 3rd seed for most of the regular season, except for the collapse at the end of the season that put them into the 5th seed.... |
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firstly, i don't think Lin is actually "finishing" games. preseason lineups typically have people playing set minutes or quarters regardless of game situation and it's mostly the non-starters who close out the games so it does not really mean anything vis-a-vis who finishes games in the regular season.
that said, lin had already started the first preseason game that Nash was unavailable until lin himself was injured. now it looks as if scott wants to ease him back into game shape with the 2nd unit. it showed in the last two games how winded he got after just a few plays up and down and started pacing himself late in the game.
scott seems to be in the mold of coaches who try to push different buttons with different players depending on what they feel makes the players play better. thus the stark contrast with the way he is very guarded talking about randle and lin while very quick to praise wes johnson.
i know scott will eventually start lin, maybe as early as the last preseason game. |
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MorlockO wrote: | MJST wrote: | Lakers_Jester wrote: | MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
Lin and davis imo should both start. Randle can get his own shot on the 2nd unit. He needs to be the man on the 2nd unit while young is out. it'll be good for him to take on a number 1 option type role even if it's of the 2nd unit. He can also play point forward a bit, sharing ball handling duties w clarkson and price. 2nd unit would be fine.
Kobe needs pressure relief. Boozer is the only other option of the starters who can relieve kobe and that's barely any relief at all. Between price johnson and jhill, kobe can't do it all himself. Having the lin and davis dynamic helps the starters both offensively and defensively. And maybe that way lakers won't be playing catchup from the beginning. |
Problem is the philosophy isn't "just put all 5 of the best players in the starting lineup and let the bench fend for themselves"
You don't do that unless you have 3 superstars on your team.
As of right now if Lin and Davis were starting the bench unit would have Price and Hill and the offense would become even more stagnant than it can already get at times and the bench would find no rhythm and the starters would have to come back in sooner. That's not good. |
Why are you so concerned about the Bench? its not like 5 starter out and 5 bench come in.
in the regular season, there are only 8-9 players in the normal rotation, there will always be at least 1-2 starters in the game all the time.
look at Portland, their bench is one of the worse in the league, yet they still reached the 2nd round playoffs, they where also 3rd seed for most of the regular season, except for the collapse at the end of the season that put them into the 5th seed.... |
+1.
Seriously this. So absurd it's comical.
Jesus, just because Lin or Kobe starts doesn't mean one or the other doesn't spend time with the bench. What in the holy f--. |
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MJST wrote: | Lakers_Jester wrote: | MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It has been hard to understand your motivation against Lin being the starter.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
Lin and davis imo should both start. Randle can get his own shot on the 2nd unit. He needs to be the man on the 2nd unit while young is out. it'll be good for him to take on a number 1 option type role even if it's of the 2nd unit. He can also play point forward a bit, sharing ball handling duties w clarkson and price. 2nd unit would be fine.
Kobe needs pressure relief. Boozer is the only other option of the starters who can relieve kobe and that's barely any relief at all. Between price johnson and jhill, kobe can't do it all himself. Having the lin and davis dynamic helps the starters both offensively and defensively. And maybe that way lakers won't be playing catchup from the beginning. |
Problem is the philosophy isn't "just put all 5 of the best players in the starting lineup and let the bench fend for themselves"
You don't do that unless you have 3 superstars on your team.
As of right now if Lin and Davis were starting the bench unit would have Price and Hill and the offense would become even more stagnant than it can already get at times and the bench would find no rhythm and the starters would have to come back in sooner. That's not good. |
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MJST wrote: | Lakers_Jester wrote: | MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
Lin and davis imo should both start. Randle can get his own shot on the 2nd unit. He needs to be the man on the 2nd unit while young is out. it'll be good for him to take on a number 1 option type role even if it's of the 2nd unit. He can also play point forward a bit, sharing ball handling duties w clarkson and price. 2nd unit would be fine.
Kobe needs pressure relief. Boozer is the only other option of the starters who can relieve kobe and that's barely any relief at all. Between price johnson and jhill, kobe can't do it all himself. Having the lin and davis dynamic helps the starters both offensively and defensively. And maybe that way lakers won't be playing catchup from the beginning. |
Problem is the philosophy isn't "just put all 5 of the best players in the starting lineup and let the bench fend for themselves"
You don't do that unless you have 3 superstars on your team.
As of right now if Lin and Davis were starting the bench unit would have Price and Hill and the offense would become even more stagnant than it can already get at times and the bench would find no rhythm and the starters would have to come back in sooner. That's not good. |
It has been hard to understand your motivation against Lin being the starter. |
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MJST wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Ronnie Price's hustle was never good enough to compensate for all his bricks. He's never even held a steady back-up job. All of a sudden he'll be starter for the Lakers? Byron Scott is reaching. Just start Lin. Don't make this rocket science. |
Maybe if you put things into perspective and realize how much the bench needs both Lin and Davis it wouldn't seem so scientific.
Till Nick Young comes back the bench needs scoring and needs depth to be able to keep our starters off the floor for longer. Lin and Davis are a perfect combo and Lin can get his own shot.
It would be a disaster if Price was playing with the bench lineup as they stand now cause he has no chemistry with Davis AND he wouldn't be orchestrating it well enough to get everyone involved and it would get super stagnant which means starters would have to come in sooner.
When Nick finally comes back, Lin probably will start. But as it stands Lin/Davis combo is the best the bench has right now. Splitting that up would not only hurt the bench but Davis as well.
Besides, Lin is the one out there finishing games and has an actual established role. More than he ever had in Houston so I'm sure he feels as long as he finishes games that's all that matters to him right now.
As well as currently fitting in with Byron's plan. If Ronnie Price even managed to make 2-3 threes a game it would probably change the complexity of the way our starters are defended. Note that was originally Nash's job, and whom would you rather defend Lillard?
When Young is back and we have more than "one" person on our bench unit capable of getting their own shot then Lin can go to the starters, till then it would only mess up our bench chemistry which is what we need to keep and push out leads pressuring another teams bench and deficit. |
You're forgetting about Clarkson and Randle who can both create their own shot. The bench will have plenty of firepower - they're already better than the starters! The starters have nobody besides Kobe who can create his own shot. |
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We should put all of our best players on the bench so when our "starters" get destroyed our bench unit will come in and kill it.
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jonnybravo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Agreed.
This whole idea of a wholesale 2nd unit is absurd to begin with. I don't know why people on boards love to talk about bench/starters in that sense. Look people, no team swaps out 5 starters for 5 bench guys. It doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. Players are usually staggered in and our of rotations...usually 1 or 2 at a time...maybe 3.
Kobe and Lin can both start and both finish. It's not hard to figure out ways to stagger their minutes so one is in the game at all times. Every team that's ever existed has done this. |
This guy gets it. |
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Firelord_Rag wrote: | jonnybravo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | PPP wrote: | While Lin will not complain about not starting, he always wants to start and feels that he is good enough to start. If Scott continues to bring him off the bench for whatever reasons, Lin wont resign with the Lakers and looks elsewhere after the season as an UFA.
Hope Scottt would seriously consider to start Lin, otherwise Lakers should trade him for another 1st rounder by the trading deadline or they get nothing after the season ends. |
If it shakes out that way, it's unfortunate.
Remember, people saying Nash should start b/c he would be "fresh" after warmups.
With Lin the argument is he's better with the 2nd unit.
Why not just start the best PG (to give him that stamp of approval) and stagger the lineups off the bench to mix/match? |
Agreed.
This whole idea of a wholesale 2nd unit is absurd to begin with. I don't know why people on boards love to talk about bench/starters in that sense. Look people, no team swaps out 5 starters for 5 bench guys. It doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. Players are usually staggered in and our of rotations...usually 1 or 2 at a time...maybe 3.
Kobe and Lin can both start and both finish. It's not hard to figure out ways to stagger their minutes so one is in the game at all times. Every team that's ever existed has done this. |
This guy gets it. |
Yeah, just because a guy starts, that doesn't preclude him from playing with the bench. I mean, how did Ed Davis get on the floor at the same time as Kobe? Is he some kind of ninja? (Or, maybe it's Kobe that's the ninja, heh).
The whole point of having Lin start, is to maximize our team's chances of getting off to a good start to the game and establishing a flow. He's young, he can play minutes with players from both units. |
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Screw the bench, you don't save yer bullets for the bench. Starters need all the firepower and talent. |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | We should put all of our best players on the bench so when our "starters" get destroyed our bench unit will come in and kill it.
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If we start our best players the bench will be so bad we'll have to play our best players the majority of the time.
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freethrow wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | We should put all of our best players on the bench so when our "starters" get destroyed our bench unit will come in and kill it.
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If we start our best players the bench will be so bad we'll have to play our best players the majority of the time.
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