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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:53 am    Post subject:

kray28_ wrote:
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Nothing is funnier then someone in 2014 saying how Christians in 1804 killed a bunch of people because of their beliefs(which by the way, is information they got from Wikipedia), to compare it with what Muslim extremists are doing now on tv, for everyone to see, while the "good" Muslims are sitting back and mostly saying nothing.


Did all the "good" Christians stand up and say something the last time someone bombed an abortion clinic or murdered an abortion provider?


The Catholic church did a pretty good job of looking the other way when a Catholic Fuhrer murdered 6 million Jews.

More recently, they looked the other way in Chile when Pinochet murdered tens of thousands of people.

More broadly, if you want to look at violence perpetrated by Christians, look no further than Latin America, where the US has it own share of blood on its hands but it's never characteriized as religious or Christian.


Oh really? Did you just make that up or do you have factual evidence of that? Did you know Pope John Paul II while a young priest was helping Jews escape the Nazi Regime? Him and other bishops and priests?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/johnpaul.html

Here, read, it's good for the brain.

Also, for those who use other atrocities from different factions to combat what current factions atrocities are, you need to find another response because all you do is look foolish. That's like seeing some black guy beat up a white guy for no reason and than saying, WELL, white people have been beating up black people for centuries. That's a stupid response. Sorry to be blunt, but it is.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:01 am    Post subject:

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"So scale doesnt matter i guess in your opinion?" I guess if we only kill a few people it's okay.


"We can say without a doubt that those "extremist" Christians are outliers, and knowing Christianity and Christians.....not ONE that i know of would ever condone that kind of an action. Crazy people do crazy things."

How can we? The rest of Christians didn't speak up to condemn those actions. We can only assume according to your logic that they tacitly support them.


"The point is that there are MILLIONS of muslims around the world that see no problem whatsoever in what people that make up groups like ISIS are doing. That is the difference. You wanna talk about context folks? There it is right there front and center."

So far I have no idea that millions of Christians don't support the murder of Abortion doctors.

"8 people in the US have been killed due to violence committed against abortion clinics and those who work there. EIGHT."

You can't make an omelette..


"Muslim extremists have killed nearly 3000 on 9/11 alone, and thats just here. Wanna look up the number in Iraq? Iran? Yemen? Pakistan? "

The Muslims would assert that we have killed 10's of thousands of them.


"Conflating some sort of moral equivalence between Christians who are against abortion doing crazy things, and muslim extremists.....priceless. "

They are not true Christians or Scotsmen.


^^ grasping at straws.

Are "we" Christians? Or are "we" Americans? I thought the argument was about Christian extremists vs Muslim extremists? You need to stick to the topic and quit obfuscating. The debate is whether a few crazy people who called themselves Christians and killed 8 people in the history of the united states at abortion clinics is the moral equivalent to the violence committed by muslim extremists every day around the world, and the millions of muslims that have no problem with it.

Blowback due to our poor foreign policy is a different topic.


No grasping at straws is attempting to make the spurious argument that all members of some group are guilty of the actions of some portion of that group simply because they didn't publicly condemn them.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:42 pm    Post subject:

Oliver Reed wrote:
kray28_ wrote:
NickF wrote:
Oliver Reed wrote:
Nothing is funnier then someone in 2014 saying how Christians in 1804 killed a bunch of people because of their beliefs(which by the way, is information they got from Wikipedia), to compare it with what Muslim extremists are doing now on tv, for everyone to see, while the "good" Muslims are sitting back and mostly saying nothing.


Did all the "good" Christians stand up and say something the last time someone bombed an abortion clinic or murdered an abortion provider?


The Catholic church did a pretty good job of looking the other way when a Catholic Fuhrer murdered 6 million Jews.

More recently, they looked the other way in Chile when Pinochet murdered tens of thousands of people.

More broadly, if you want to look at violence perpetrated by Christians, look no further than Latin America, where the US has it own share of blood on its hands but it's never characteriized as religious or Christian.


Oh really? Did you just make that up or do you have factual evidence of that? Did you know Pope John Paul II while a young priest was helping Jews escape the Nazi Regime? Him and other bishops and priests?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/johnpaul.html

Here, read, it's good for the brain.

Also, for those who use other atrocities from different factions to combat what current factions atrocities are, you need to find another response because all you do is look foolish. That's like seeing some black guy beat up a white guy for no reason and than saying, WELL, white people have been beating up black people for centuries. That's a stupid response. Sorry to be blunt, but it is.


LOL. I'm not talking about Pope John Paul II, I'm talking about the Pope at the time of the Holocaust: Pope Pius XII

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At Christmas 1942, once evidence of the industrial slaughter of the Jews had emerged, he voiced concern at the murder of "hundreds of thousands" of "faultless" people because of their "nationality or race." Pius intervened to attempt to block Nazi deportations of Jews in various countries from 1942-1944. Upon his death in 1958, Pius was praised emphatically by the Israeli Foreign Minister, and other world leaders. But his insistence on Vatican neutrality and avoidance of naming the Nazis as the evildoers of the conflict became the foundation for contemporary and later criticisms from some quarters. Studies of the Vatican archives and international diplomatic correspondence continue.
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