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cheesysapien
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| kinein wrote: | | DJ Slik wrote: | i dunno....he couldn't crack the starting lineup with a healthy ronnie price  |
I fail to see the reasoning, have you seen the numbers for the entire preseason for all of the remaining Guards? Ronnie Price can't hold a candle to Lin. |
Do you have the link?
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audioaxes
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | No. Since Tierre Brown. |
does anyone else miss Del Harris? |
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wolfpaclaker
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Only if you ignore skills and defense.
I'd still take an older Gary Payton 2003-2004 version over Lin any day. Not so much for O, but what Payton could do for a team as a defensive leader. And Payton would have gotten along better with Scott than he did with Phil, assuming it were a year or two. |
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hopandskip
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| LakerLand247 wrote: |
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Steve Nash - He was past his prime and should have retired after he injured his Tibia bone. He never really had a chance to play.
Sedale "the Thief" Threat - He was signed in the summer of 1991 to help Magic with the PG duties and provide some outside shooting. I don't recall if Sedale ever had a chance to play with Magic. Sedale was a great outside shooter, excellent in steals, decent play maker.
Personally, from what I've seen him this pre-season Lin has a chance to be on top of that list. Probably neck and neck with Nick the Quick in terms of over all talent. The one thing I remember from Nick the Quick was he was pretty clutch in the 4th quarter (before the Kobe era). Again, this all from memory, just my 2cents. |
Threatt was totally streaky as an outside shooter. He had to share the point with NVE. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Only if you ignore skills and defense.
I'd still take an older Gary Payton 2003-2004 version over Lin any day. Not so much for O, but what Payton could do for a team as a defensive leader. And Payton would have gotten along better with Scott than he did with Phil, assuming it were a year or two. |
Jeremy Lin average 106 DRtg of his career, and surprise surprise, it's Gary Payton's career average figure too. The Glove in his prime made 102 DRtg and 103 in his lakers year which is very good, but Lin is not bad either and we can expect Lin improve to a better defender under Byron and Kobe.
NVE? his best year in Lakers projected 108 DRtg and a career 110DRtg, meh. |
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K28
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Only if you ignore skills and defense.
I'd still take an older Gary Payton 2003-2004 version over Lin any day. Not so much for O, but what Payton could do for a team as a defensive leader. And Payton would have gotten along better with Scott than he did with Phil, assuming it were a year or two. |
I wouldn't.
Payton from his Supersonic days was the premier defensive point guard for sure, but by the time he came to the Lakers, the "Glove" had become the "Mitten".
While he was surprisingly durable, and started all 82 games for us that season, unlike any other starter, he just wasn't the GP we remembered as a Sonic, and when all the starters were healthy was an afterthought on offense. He struggled in the triangle as a facilitator, and struggled defensively against premier point guards of the time.
Lin plays a much more well rounded game and is much better offensively. Better passer, better shooter, better at running the offense and breaking down the defense....and while he isn't a stopper by any means, he plays good honest defense that's a lot better than he's given credit for. |
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cthroatgtr
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| To the original poster...YES |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | No. Since Tierre Brown. |
does anyone else miss Del Harris? |
Del Harris drove me crazy with his game and rotation management. |
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JULIUS RANDLE HAS LOOKED REALLY GOOD FOR A ROOK!!  |
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brunel
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | JULIUS RANDLE HAS LOOKED REALLY GOOD FOR A ROOK!! |
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JIFISH
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | No. Since Tierre Brown. |
does anyone else miss Del Harris? |
Only the ones who live to post in the P&M threads. 
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Kobe2Clark
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| pjiddy wrote: | Offense looked really good with him running the offense and GUYS SHOOTING/MAKING THREE POINTERS
I have the same concerns as the two previous seasons: We have the offense that Lin could run and run pretty well--an MDA style offense, and then the offense that Kobe (last season it was Pau, season before it was 5 different offenses) and Byron will want to run. Which will be ISO heavy and with less ball movement.
It looked good tonight. I'm cautiously optimistic. |
Kobe isn't really doing the usual dribble-isolation at all so far. It's all post-ups and jumpers off screens. I do think Lin can be trusted with the ball unlike other PGs we've had
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Only if you ignore skills and defense.
I'd still take an older Gary Payton 2003-2004 version over Lin any day. Not so much for O, but what Payton could do for a team as a defensive leader. And Payton would have gotten along better with Scott than he did with Phil, assuming it were a year or two. |
Gary was beyond washed up. Lin is a much better player than Payton at that stage of his career
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JIFISH
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| pio2u wrote: | | JULIUS RANDLE HAS LOOKED REALLY GOOD FOR A ROOK!! |
Is Julius Randle our best draft pick since NVE? 
(We didn't draft Kobe, we traded Vlade for him.)
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K28
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| JIFISH wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | JULIUS RANDLE HAS LOOKED REALLY GOOD FOR A ROOK!! |
Is Julius Randle our best draft pick since NVE?
(We didn't draft Kobe, we traded Vlade for him.) |
We had Charlotte draft him for us. |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | No. Since Tierre Brown. |
does anyone else miss Del Harris? |
Del Harris drove me crazy with his game and rotation management. |
Who'a more annoying: MDA or Del?
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mykeinla
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This team has the best overall talent.
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brunel
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| Though I think he's miles ahead of Ronnie Price and he's looked pretty dam good so far, I'm going to reserve judgement on his place as a Lakers PG until he plays regular season games. |
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cheesysapien
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| kray28_ wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Only if you ignore skills and defense.
I'd still take an older Gary Payton 2003-2004 version over Lin any day. Not so much for O, but what Payton could do for a team as a defensive leader. And Payton would have gotten along better with Scott than he did with Phil, assuming it were a year or two. |
I wouldn't.
Payton from his Supersonic days was the premier defensive point guard for sure, but by the time he came to the Lakers, the "Glove" had become the "Mitten".
While he was surprisingly durable, and started all 82 games for us that season, unlike any other starter, he just wasn't the GP we remembered as a Sonic, and when all the starters were healthy was an afterthought on offense. He struggled in the triangle as a facilitator, and struggled defensively against premier point guards of the time.
Lin plays a much more well rounded game and is much better offensively. Better passer, better shooter, better at running the offense and breaking down the defense....and while he isn't a stopper by any means, he plays good honest defense that's a lot better than he's given credit for. |
Glad to see your comments, especially the bolded ones
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DJ Slik
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kinein wrote: | | DJ Slik wrote: | | i dunno....he couldn't crack the starting lineup with a healthy ronnie price |
I fail to see the reasoning, have you seen the numbers for the entire preseason for all of the remaining Guards? Ronnie Price can't hold a candle to Lin. |
i was being FACETIOUS.
http://i.imgur.com/PQmcU2a.png
OF COURSE jeremy is light years better than ronnie price. not even a fair comparison. |
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| LakerLand247 wrote: |
Ron Harper - was role player and past his prime - help facilitate the triangle offense |
Ron knew his limitations to a T and, more importantly, accepted his role and knew how to carry out his role, thus making him an effective cog in the well oiled machine. He ran an offense (a difficult one) better than any other name there -- he wasn't a chicken with its head cut off like Chucky Atkins. He was past his prime and a role player, but his importance went beyond those truths. It's that way with some players that you tend to dismiss right off because they're old or not a star. It was with Brian Shaw too.
If nothing else, Ron deserves a couple of spaces or a "---------------" between himself and guys like Chucky, Tierre, and Smush.
No one disliked Ron, making him a buffer between Kobe and Shaq. God knows we needed as many mild-mannered guys we could get for that role alone. Long story short, his value outweighed his age and limitations.
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| hopandskip wrote: | | LakerLand247 wrote: |
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Steve Nash - He was past his prime and should have retired after he injured his Tibia bone. He never really had a chance to play.
Sedale "the Thief" Threat - He was signed in the summer of 1991 to help Magic with the PG duties and provide some outside shooting. I don't recall if Sedale ever had a chance to play with Magic. Sedale was a great outside shooter, excellent in steals, decent play maker.
Personally, from what I've seen him this pre-season Lin has a chance to be on top of that list. Probably neck and neck with Nick the Quick in terms of over all talent. The one thing I remember from Nick the Quick was he was pretty clutch in the 4th quarter (before the Kobe era). Again, this all from memory, just my 2cents. |
Threatt was totally streaky as an outside shooter. He had to share the point with NVE. |
Were you even a fan back then? He was about as reliable an outside shooter as an outside shooter can be. Van Exel was far streakier.
And he didn't "have" to share the point with Van Exel, he was on his last legs when Van Exel got here - after Threatt had been the full-time starter for two seasons. |
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You're forgetting D Fish!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Lin isn't the best PG we have right now according to Scott. What makes him better than nick. The question is, is price the best PG since nick the quick. Kind of an absurd question to ask, but here we are. B. Scott already knows. |
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While NVE is probably in my top 10 of Lakers I enjoyed watching (all time)... If you really look at Nick the Quick's stats... Jeremy Lin is likely better.
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