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Should Lin be our starting PG ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject:

How will Price match up against Beverley when they open the season next week?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:10 pm    Post subject:

laserboy wrote:
How will Price match up against Beverley when they open the season next week?


Lolz. Both defensive specialists defending against guys who can't score.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:11 pm    Post subject:

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Jeremy Lin having to compete with Ronnie Price for the starting job is just absurd!!!

Career Stats:

Jeremy Lin (Age 26) in 4 years
27.3 MIN .442 FG% .343 3P% .801 FT% 11.9 PTS 2.6 REB 4.8 AST 1.3 STL

Ronnie Price (Age 31) in 9 years
11.7 MIN .378 FG% .292 3P% .726 FT% 3.4 PTS 1.1 REB 1.5 AST 0.6 STL


eye test is better than stats. defense!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Note to all bench/journeymen point guards in the league: When choosing a team, always choose the one with Lin on it. Even though you are inferior, you'll probably immediately be the starter
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject:

cgambino123 wrote:
Note to all bench/journeymen point guards in the league: When choosing a team, always choose the one with Lin on it. Even though you are inferior, you'll probably immediately be the starter


Coaches do this to Lin because he's pretty much the only player who won't throw a fit under this kind of situation. If it works out, that coach becomes a genius.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:58 pm    Post subject:

Charisma wrote:
cgambino123 wrote:
Note to all bench/journeymen point guards in the league: When choosing a team, always choose the one with Lin on it. Even though you are inferior, you'll probably immediately be the starter


Coaches do this to Lin because he's pretty much the only player who won't throw a fit under this kind of situation. If it works out, that coach becomes a genius.


Mchale does not in anyway look like a genius.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject:

Im pretty sure Byron Scott would choose the Staples center Janitor over Jeremy Lin at this point. Eventhough Kobe and Magic think he should start...

Byron Scott and Kevin Mchale still got that REALLY OLD MAN mentality....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:27 pm    Post subject:

RT @DhinnaM: Byron defied the basketball gods by not starting Lin, so he had to pay the Price. Ronnie Price, that is.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject:

This roster ain't goona be a good defense team anyway - BS is going t realize this sooner or later - starting Lin or not because the defense reason.

I don't think Lin should focus too much on becoming a "better defender." Most of the top PGs are not good defenders. When defending the PGs, most of the time you're defending high screens and PnR, and the problem is getting the big guy to learn how to stop the roll.

These days you can't touch or you get call for a foul. Instead of getting himself in foul troble, I'll say that Lin should be improving his offense/jump shots instead, specially the mid-range - this will force the defense to come out instead of camping in the paint waiting for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:15 pm    Post subject:

purple.23 wrote:
This roster ain't goona be a good defense team anyway - BS is going t realize this sooner or later - starting Lin or not because the defense reason.

I don't think Lin should focus too much on becoming a "better defender." Most of the top PGs are not good defenders. When defending the PGs, most of the time you're defending high screens and PnR, and the problem is getting the big guy to learn how to stop the roll.

These days you can't touch or you get call for a foul. Instead of getting himself in foul troble, I'll say that Lin should be improving his offense/jump shots instead, specially the mid-range - this will force the defense to come out instead of camping in the paint waiting for him.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:33 pm    Post subject:

kimboviper wrote:
Im pretty sure Byron Scott would choose the Staples center Janitor over Jeremy Lin at this point. Eventhough Kobe and Magic think he should start...

Byron Scott and Kevin Mchale still got that REALLY OLD MAN mentality....


When did kobe say he should start?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:35 pm    Post subject:

Byron Scott seemed to know well enough to pair Lin with Davis. And both benefit.


Anyway, Price was hurt tonight unfortunately but Lin got to finish the game which he would have anyway, 19/7 I think. Looked good. Should be starting opening night. What sucks is that we have no idea if he'll have a backup now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject:

cgambino123 wrote:
Note to all bench/journeymen point guards in the league: When choosing a team, always choose the one with Lin on it. Even though you are inferior, you'll probably immediately be the starter


Seriously? Please tell me this is sarcasm.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Byron Scott seemed to know well enough to pair Lin with Davis. And both benefit.


Anyway, Price was hurt tonight unfortunately but Lin got to finish the game which he would have anyway, 19/7 I think. Looked good. Should be starting opening night. What sucks is that we have no idea if he'll have a backup now.


That is true. I think Byron is an old school guy. I guessed one of the reasons he did not want to commit to a starting point guard is that he want Price and Lin to compete. yes 19/7. I think Lin will start opening night. Somehow he will be backed up, probably by committee
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:19 am    Post subject:

Lin is a good defender as well, and obviously the better overall player than Price. I agree that Byron probably wants them to push each other first. Though it's puzzling that Wes and Hill's starting spots are seemingly bulletproof.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:14 am    Post subject:

Can lin please get the starting job already?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:26 am    Post subject:

without a doubt. and it matters, dont like starters dig a hole and set the tone of uphill battle every game. yes every fking game so far, no exceptions.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:27 am    Post subject:

Cousy coos over Lin's speed, vision

It takes one to know one -- and Boston's Hall of Fame PG is on board with Linsanity

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By Ian O'Connor | ESPNNewYork.com



Bob Cousy had heard so much about the NBA's latest sensation, and had assured so many inquiring minds that the league always catches up to unscheduled comets streaking across its sky, that he finally decided to see for himself.

On Feb. 19, the 83-year-old former point guard of the Boston Celtics needed to break down the 23-year-old current point guard of the New York Knicks. An avid golfer who can shoot his age, Cousy canceled a round to watch Jeremy Lin play ball on TV.

Suddenly the Hall of Famer realized he'd been misleading friends and strangers alike. Linsanity, he decided, wasn't something opposing coaches would surely bottle up and store away in a month or two, never to be heard from again.

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Celtics legend Bob Cousy had his doubts about Jeremy Lin ...
Cousy absorbed Lin's 28-point, 14-assist performance against the defending champion Dallas Mavericks and came away with a new scouting report.

"The game of basketball over the years has been associated with big people," Cousy said from his home in West Palm Beach, Fla., "but what separates the men from the boys is speed and quickness, and I saw that Lin has both in abundance.

"For two weeks, every time I went by somebody down here they were talking about him, and I'd tell them the hoopla was probably overdone, that it's not unusual for this to happen with a young player who catches the league by surprise. But I got a completely different sense from watching Jeremy play. Now I'm telling people he'll definitely find a niche in the realm of good-to-great point guards in this league."

With the Knicks in Boston on Sunday, Cousy allowed himself a laugh over the possibility the visitors will have more stability at point guard, his position, than the Celtics, his team. Who could've imagined this a month ago, when the Knicks had no quarterback and almost no chance of saving their coach, Mike D'Antoni, while the aging Celtics still had a young All-Star who had already helped deliver Doc Rivers a title?

But now Rajon Rondo is reported as trade bait and Jeremy Lin is Jeremy Lin, with Baron Davis behind him. Cousy can appreciate Lin's amazing journey, if only because he has a zillion-to-one quality to his own back-story.

The son of French immigrants, Cousy was a skinny kid from an East Side ghetto where, he said, "the rats and cockroaches were bigger than the tenants." He didn't pick up a basketball across the first 12 years of his life, and it took his cab-driving father those 12 years to save $500 and move his family to Queens, where Cousy was cut twice by the high school coach at Andrew Jackson.

Only an absurd twist of blessing-in-disguise fate -- Cousy fell out of a tree, broke his right wrist, and started dribbling everywhere with his left hand -- salvaged what had been a non-career. An ambidextrous Cousy finally made the Andrew Jackson team and won the city scoring championship in his senior year before, he said, "I got deluged by two college offers."

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Holy Cross and Boston College. BC didn't have any dorms at the time, and Holy Cross did. "I wanted to get away from the city and live somewhere on campus," Cousy said. "I remember the letter Holy Cross sent me. It was, 'Hey kid, we understand you're a hotshot at Andrew Jackson. If you have any interest in Holy Cross, fill out this application and we'll give you a scholarship.' That was the extent of my recruiting."

Holy Cross immediately won the NCAA title, and the rest is playmaking history. Cousy is widely credited as the first point guard to make an art form out of the pass, to blend showmanship with the selfless act of giving up the ball. He won six NBA championships with the Celtics, and his style was transcendent enough to inspire generations of New York City point guards, including Kenny Anderson, who said he tried to emulate Cousy above all.

So the old man is a leading scholar on the position, and one who sees staying power in the visionary named Lin.

"My greatest asset was peripheral vision, and it seems Jeremy has that, too," Cousy said. "People thought I was doing supernatural things with my vision, like, 'Wow, you must have eyes behind your head,' but every good point guard needs that asset.

"Lin sees the floor extremely well and has good size for a point guard. He seems smart, not just because he went to Harvard, but in the way he plays. Just based on what I saw against Dallas, it's hard for me to believe [Golden State and Houston] cut him. It's hard to criticize without being there, but point guards who can run the show in the NBA are in such demand."

Lin's meltdown in Miami didn't concern Cousy; he figured the kid was due for a lousy game, and he knew the Heat had the talent and motivation to shut him down. "They'd heard about Lin for a while," Cousy said, "and LeBron James and Dwyane Wade don't want to read about people other than themselves."

Cousy doesn't believe Lin will have to fall out of a tree to develop a stronger left hand, one of his few game-day needs. "It's a simple adjustment," Cousy said. "I used to go through periods where guys were picking off my path to the right, and I had to keep them honest. You don't have to go five times to the left and five to the right -- two and eight is fine, and Lin will be able to develop that part of his game."

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Cousy kept coming back to Lin's speed and quickness, the weapons the 6-foot-1 Celtic used against bigger opponents. Of course, Cousy was surrounded by Hall of Fame finishers.

Lin? He's got Carmelo Anthony on one side, Amare Stoudemire on the other, and Tyson Chandler in between to run the pick and roll. Lin can also throw the ball to the likes of Steve Novak and J.R. Smith, at least when Davis doesn't come off the bench with them.

This is how far the undrafted, unwanted point guard has come: Lin had 19 points, 13 assists and one turnover against Cleveland on Wednesday night, and it felt like he'd only brought his B game.

"He's got the physical skills to reach a good, very good or great level in this league," Cousy said. "He's exactly what the Knicks needed, a leader and someone to distribute the ball as opposed to a bunch of guys just letting it fly."

Funny how it worked out: The old Celtic figured the young Knick would be another here-today, sort-of-gone-tomorrow flash until he put away his golf clubs one Sunday and saw what the fuss was all about.

"I assumed the league would catch up to him," Cousy said, "but now I certainly don't think that's going to happen."

Bad news for the Celtics. Good news for fans in love with point guards who see the floor the way Bob Cousy saw the parquet.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:18 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for the good article Giordano. Here is the link http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7641147/boston-celtics-legend-bob-cousy-loves-new-york-knicks-jeremy-lin?src=mobile&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D

ETA: Some highlights of what Cousy said
"My greatest asset was peripheral vision, and it seems Jeremy has that, too,"

"He's got the physical skills to reach a good, very good or great level in this league,"

"I assumed the league would catch up to him," Cousy said, "but now I certainly don't think that's going to happen."
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject:

jenopogi wrote:
since1991 wrote:
Jeremy Lin having to compete with Ronnie Price for the starting job is just absurd!!!

Career Stats:

Jeremy Lin (Age 26) in 4 years
27.3 MIN .442 FG% .343 3P% .801 FT% 11.9 PTS 2.6 REB 4.8 AST 1.3 STL

Ronnie Price (Age 31) in 9 years
11.7 MIN .378 FG% .292 3P% .726 FT% 3.4 PTS 1.1 REB 1.5 AST 0.6 STL


eye test is better than stats. defense!


Lin's defense has shown to be better than Price's this off-season. I know Lin has that myth about being a bad defender but it's pretty much made-up by SAS and repeated throughout the media. Lin is a league average - slightly above average defender.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
Lin is a good defender as well, and obviously the better overall player than Price. I agree that Byron probably wants them to push each other first. Though it's puzzling that Wes and Hill's starting spots are seemingly bulletproof.


Yes, Lin has got a bad reputation for defense, but he is a good defender. Yes, it's puzzling ...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Don't know if anyone notices, but Lin disrupts/stops a good share of fast breaks near the basket. Just an uncanny sense of defensive timing.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:34 pm    Post subject:

The 3 people that Voted "No":

1. Byron Scott
2. Kevin Mchale
3. Ronnie Price's Mom

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:51 pm    Post subject:

kimboviper wrote:
The 3 people that Voted "No":

1. Byron Scott
2. Kevin Mchale
3. Ronnie Price's Mom


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:54 pm    Post subject:

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/preseason/team/Los-Angeles-Lakers/13/stats/2015/Advanced_Stats/All/drtg/All/asc/1/Preseason

Advanced stat of preseason tell us Lin is the better defender. In fact he is the 3rd best overall defender of the team.
He is better than Ronnie Price on almost every key stats. OTrg, DTrg, TOV%, TS%, AST%, DReb%, OReb%. and less STL% and better DTrg tell us he is a better cool headed defender, less gamble for steal and hold defense position.

So he is better on offense, defense, taking care of the ball, shooting efficiency, orchestrating and getting teammates involved, and he is a better rebounder. not to mention he get to the line a lot getting opponents in foul trouble.

have him mesh with starter ASAP b4 it's too late.
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