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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:37 am    Post subject:

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I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.

37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.

Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo.


Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.

Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take.


If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem.


Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game.


I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else.


And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3.


Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor.


Lin isn't a 3 point specialist...sure he can shoot an occasion 3, but the Lakers don't have a Steve Novak on their roster. Without a 3 point specialist, the Lakers can't spread the floor, neither they can utilize one of Lin's strengths which is penetrating the defense and then dumping it out to a long range shooter.


You're so wrong. Just look at the facts. The Rockets were one of the top 3 point shooting teams last year. Lin at 36, Harden at 37, Beverly at 36. Parson at 37. It's not a requisite to shoot 44 percent. Its how you do it. A coach as little an offensive system as McHale made it work for his team. When and how the team gets open looks which in turn open up the middle. Even if Jordan Hill can get hot shooint mid-range its pointless without Ed Davis doing rim protection. D is the big problem. Kobe has been TERRIBLE. Playing 44 minutes of O makes him even worse. Other teams with rim protection get so many more easy transisiton points. Even if Davis doesn't score 20 points his presence on D helps the offense. BS doesn't walk the talk or he would give Davis more minutes and kobe fewer.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:40 am    Post subject:

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That John Ireland interview of JLin was deplorable.

And I have no idea what Worthy is talking about, Lin was the least of our problems today.


Didn't think Worthy seeing Lin as the problem, but more like he needs to be the solution. I mean, who else are they going to ask to step up? We all know what Lin can do when he's aggressive. You can't really tell someone else to do it because they've never shown that they could.


But he was doing all that when he was in the game. He was out for fairly long, inexplicable stretches. JLin has been inconsistent for sure, but what BGJ was saying about him wasn't applicable to THIS game.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:41 am    Post subject:

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You won't believe this but Kobe shot at a higher percentage than Lebron today.


He shot a higher percentage than a lot of players did today but who cares. 37 shots is way too many.


At 38% Kobe's average was higher than others tonight, sure. But it was lower than Lin (50%), Boozer (46%), Ellington (43%) and Hill (40%). Those guys were all out on the court with him tonight and he should have considered getting them a bit more involved.


I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.

37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.

Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention.


So LeBron and Kobe both had forgettable games. Cool.


If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to show you why Kobe has more championships than Lebron. Lebron is going to shy away at a certain point because he was shooting poorly...and he will be less aggressive which is more detrimental to the team than just having a bad shooting night. He will defer when the game is tough for him.

Kobe will keep being aggressive regardless if he shoots poorly or not. If you are the best player on the team, you need to be aggressive the whole game. The only reason the Lakers had a fighting chance this game was because Kobe was aggressive. If Kobe didn't play we probably would have lost the game by 30 points.

When Lebron isn't aggressive, that's what happens...Portland took advantage, and won by 20.

If Kobe had the mental midget mentality that some of you guys want him to have, he wouldn't have 5 rings.


Kobe is more lucky to have met prime Shaq.


How many rings did Shaq have before playing with Kobe again? And who got more rings when they parted?


Does not change the fact that first 3 championship mainly credited to Shaq with Shaq won all three finals MVP.


That was then when Kobe could play O and D and the Lakers had a true rim protector. Pau was great on D in the middle. I think Ed Davis needs more minutes and Kobe fewer. No point in Kobe scoring a long range fallaway jumper if the other team streaks past him on the next possesion for a 3 or add 1.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:34 am    Post subject:

catman2u wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
catman2u wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
catman2u wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Jeggs wrote:
appwrangler wrote:
Jeggs wrote:


I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.

37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.

Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo.


Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.

Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take.


If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem.


Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game.


I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else.


And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3.


Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor.


Lin isn't a 3 point specialist...sure he can shoot an occasion 3, but the Lakers don't have a Steve Novak on their roster. Without a 3 point specialist, the Lakers can't spread the floor, neither they can utilize one of Lin's strengths which is penetrating the defense and then dumping it out to a long range shooter.


You're so wrong. Just look at the facts. The Rockets were one of the top 3 point shooting teams last year. Lin at 36, Harden at 37, Beverly at 36. Parson at 37. It's not a requisite to shoot 44 percent. Its how you do it. A coach as little an offensive system as McHale made it work for his team. When and how the team gets open looks which in turn open up the middle. Even if Jordan Hill can get hot shooint mid-range its pointless without Ed Davis doing rim protection. D is the big problem. Kobe has been TERRIBLE. Playing 44 minutes of O makes him even worse. Other teams with rim protection get so many more easy transisiton points. Even if Davis doesn't score 20 points his presence on D helps the offense. BS doesn't walk the talk or he would give Davis more minutes and kobe fewer.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject:

fafan wrote:
catman2u wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
catman2u wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
catman2u wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Jeggs wrote:
appwrangler wrote:
Jeggs wrote:


I know what I'm saying was it was higher than Lebron's. It's an interesting example I think.

37 shots isn't a bad thing coming from your best player. Lebron defers to his teammates after shooting poorly and they lose by 20. Kobe shoots 37 shots and we were competitive the whole game.

Be an interesting stat to see how many put backs we got on Kobe's misses since he attracts so much attention. As long as Kobe's shots are within the half court offense, they are good shots imo.


Kobe is our best player, but let's leave that aside for a second.

Basketball is fundamentally a game of statistics, and taking low percentage shots will not win a game, no matter how many of those you take.


If it was fundamentally about statistics, mathematicians would be playing out there. Basketball has nothing to do with statistics....Fantasy basketball is fundamentally about statistics. You've never played ball at any competitive level it would seem.


Exactly, too many people watch the stat lines instead of the game.


I watched the game and what I saw was Kobe missing way too many shots and passing up passes to team mates with open looks. 0-5 tells the story. Hero ball isn't working, time to try something else.


And Kobe shared the ball as well and they still lost the game....
Fact is this team sucks. It doesn't matter what Kobe does or doesn't do. They don't have the personnel to win against good teams.
You may think Byron Scott's no threes policy is what he wants, but look at the players that are available to him. They don't have any guys who can shoot the corner 3.


Lin can shoot the corner 3. The team would be better served if he shot more than 2 a game. That's the coach-game plan-Kobe. When Kobe--watch the tape or youtube--is going 1 on 3 there IS a lesser player open with a higher percentage shot. Also with Kobe playing 44 minutes of hard fought offense his and the team D suffers. A couple more D stops, a couple passes and the game could have turned in the Lakers favor.


Lin isn't a 3 point specialist...sure he can shoot an occasion 3, but the Lakers don't have a Steve Novak on their roster. Without a 3 point specialist, the Lakers can't spread the floor, neither they can utilize one of Lin's strengths which is penetrating the defense and then dumping it out to a long range shooter.


You're so wrong. Just look at the facts. The Rockets were one of the top 3 point shooting teams last year. Lin at 36, Harden at 37, Beverly at 36. Parson at 37. It's not a requisite to shoot 44 percent. Its how you do it. A coach as little an offensive system as McHale made it work for his team. When and how the team gets open looks which in turn open up the middle. Even if Jordan Hill can get hot shooint mid-range its pointless without Ed Davis doing rim protection. D is the big problem. Kobe has been TERRIBLE. Playing 44 minutes of O makes him even worse. Other teams with rim protection get so many more easy transisiton points. Even if Davis doesn't score 20 points his presence on D helps the offense. BS doesn't walk the talk or he would give Davis more minutes and kobe fewer.


So three new posters that just joined in October seem to have it all figured out. Kobe doesn't have the support to win bottom line. He should shoot at a high clip and get 40ppg a game. The more Kobe shoots the faster he knocks the rust off. And the previous poster is right...besides Kobe there is no talent to space the floor on offense. I don't think Kobe should have to sacrifice his game because his teammates are offensively challenged.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:39 pm    Post subject:

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So three new posters that just joined in October seem to have it all figured out. Kobe doesn't have the support to win bottom line. He should shoot at a high clip and get 40ppg a game. The more Kobe shoots the faster he knocks the rust off. And the previous poster is right...besides Kobe there is no talent to space the floor on offense. I don't think Kobe should have to sacrifice his game because his teammates are offensively challenged.


First of all, can we all just STOP re-quoting the thread? It's insane to read couple of posters taking up the entire page.

Second, as a Lin fan, Jeremy hasn't lived up to his performance standards. We know he can play better but he simply hasn't delivered. Now, whether that is due to new "system", coaches, players, I do not know. All I can see is that he is VERY hesitant (hence the quote from Worthy about Jeremy thinking too much).

Third, there is no doubt that Kobe is the best player on the court. But playing 40+ minutes and taking 50% overall shots? Does anyone feel like he has the pedal to the metal, going too fast? How soon before his body betrays him? Then what?

I've seen plenty of teams in the past who started hot then cooled off.

I don't think I am ready to write off Lakers as a lottery team just yet. What they need to do is watch some Spurs games and mimic how they move the ball around. Yeah I know those SA guys have been together for ages, but does it hurt for the Lakers to at least give it a try?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:36 pm    Post subject:

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First of all, can we all just STOP re-quoting the thread? It's insane to read couple of posters taking up the entire page.


AGREED!!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:21 pm    Post subject:

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So three new posters that just joined in October seem to have it all figured out. Kobe doesn't have the support to win bottom line. He should shoot at a high clip and get 40ppg a game. The more Kobe shoots the faster he knocks the rust off. And the previous poster is right...besides Kobe there is no talent to space the floor on offense. I don't think Kobe should have to sacrifice his game because his teammates are offensively challenged.


First of all, can we all just STOP re-quoting the thread? It's insane to read couple of posters taking up the entire page.

Second, as a Lin fan, Jeremy hasn't lived up to his performance standards. We know he can play better but he simply hasn't delivered. Now, whether that is due to new "system", coaches, players, I do not know. All I can see is that he is VERY hesitant (hence the quote from Worthy about Jeremy thinking too much).

Third, there is no doubt that Kobe is the best player on the court. But playing 40+ minutes and taking 50% overall shots? Does anyone feel like he has the pedal to the metal, going too fast? How soon before his body betrays him? Then what?

I've seen plenty of teams in the past who started hot then cooled off.

I don't think I am ready to write off Lakers as a lottery team just yet. What they need to do is watch some Spurs games and mimic how they move the ball around. Yeah I know those SA guys have been together for ages, but does it hurt for the Lakers to at least give it a try?


I'm telling you kobe taking 40-50% of the shots is a good thing. When other guys step up he will give them more slack. But with the way things are Kobe is the only guy that can create shots....so Kobe will be taking the most shots. Lin has looked OK but he just isn't great at creating his own opportunities.
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