Him or Steph Curry should probably be the front runners right now. Both playing some amazing ball for their teams and maintaining impressive records. I'd add someone on the Raptors to the list, but I don't think the Raptors have had any standout performers.
Him or Steph Curry should probably be the front runners right now. Both playing some amazing ball for their teams and maintaining impressive records. I'd add someone on the Raptors to the list, but I don't think the Raptors have had any standout performers.
Yeah I agree. It's between curry and marc Gasol right now for me as well with a slight advantage to curry just because he's a bigger household name and overall just more spectacular.
Funny because I think the coach of the year award might come down to these two teams as well. Joerger vs Kerr. Casey in Toronto doing a mighty fine job also.
As a spaniard, I can tell you most basketball fans here find Marc´s hype absolutely hilarious.
I truly believe (and this applies to his brother too) that stats do not reflect half of his contribution to the team, but when I watch one of his typical games, in which his 7 foot are not enough to allow him to CLEARLY outrebound , say, a 36 year old version of Kobe, a SG, and leaving his last two games aside, his offensive talents don´t prevent him from struggling to get 6 or 7 buckets, all I can do is shake my head in amazement because all the praise he´s receiving seems so strange.
Don´t misunderstand me. Marc is a great, great player, but a watered down version of Pau in every single aspect of the game except defense, and a huge dissapointment every time he faced an important game with Spain. I mean, Pau with his national team, taking responsability for them , has been one spectacular player, facing and clearly outplaying Duncan, Dirk, Howard, Love, Yao, etc. He did it every single time he faced a superstar.
On the other hand you got Marc, who becomes a puppy when he faces much lesser FIBA competition. He has collapsed under pressure every single time Pau didn´t join an FIBA competition, and that only happened in minor tournaments. When you watch them play together, you see a huge difference in both talents, and I am not talking about prime Pau, who is light years ahead of Marc. I´m talking about this last FIBA World Championship, with old Pau destroying Nene, Varejao,etc., while prime Marc could not hit a layup or grab a rebound for the sake of his soul.
And yes, he´s got the typical Gasol family IQ, fantastic offensive moves, outside shooting, court vision,etc., but really, MVP? The league is seriously bleep up if Marc, who is like 50 % of what Pau was, has a chance to win this trophy.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:51 am Post subject:
vedanta wrote:
As a spaniard, I can tell you most basketball fans here find Marc´s hype absolutely hilarious.
I truly believe (and this applies to his brother too) that stats do not reflect half of his contribution to the team, but when I watch one of his typical games, in which his 7 foot are not enough to allow him to CLEARLY outrebound , say, a 36 year old version of Kobe, a SG, and leaving his last two games aside, his offensive talents don´t prevent him from struggling to get 6 or 7 buckets, all I can do is shake my head in amazement because all the praise he´s receiving.
Don´t misunderstand me. Marc is a great, great player, but a watered down version of Pau in every single aspect of the game except defense, and a huge dissapointment every time he faced an important game with Spain. I mean, Pau with his national team, taking responsability for them , has been one spectacular player, facing and clearly outplaying Duncan, Dirk, Howard, Love, Yao, etc. He did it every single time he faced a superstar.
On the other hand you got Marc, who becomes a puppy when he faces much lesser FIBA competition. He has collapsed under pressure every single time Pau didn´t join an FIBA competition, and that only happened in minor tournaments. When you watch them play together, you see a huge difference in both talents, and I am not talking about prime Pau, who is light years ahead Marc. I´m talking about this last FIBA World Championship, with old Pau destroying Nene, Varejao,etc., while prime Marc could not hit a layup or grab a rebound for the sake of his soul.
And yes, he´s got the typical Gasol family IQ, fantastic offensive moves, outside shooting, court vision,etc., but really, MVP? The league is seriously bleep up if Marc, who is like 50 % of what Pau was, has a chance to win this trophy.
Being an European as well, I agree on this side of the Atlantic that is the perception.
Looking a pure NBA context, Pau will always be dwarfed by Kobe (as much as Kukoc did not shine as much as Petro o Radja), while Gasol is no second to Zbo or Conley.
Shall MEM make it to the WCF and do something, instead of being swep by the Spurs, the legacy will build from that.
Pau can almost be confused with a stretch center or forward, or whatever, and Marc is labelled an old school centre.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:40 am Post subject:
vedanta wrote:
As a spaniard, I can tell you most basketball fans here find Marc´s hype absolutely hilarious.
I truly believe (and this applies to his brother too) that stats do not reflect half of his contribution to the team, but when I watch one of his typical games, in which his 7 foot are not enough to allow him to CLEARLY outrebound , say, a 36 year old version of Kobe, a SG, and leaving his last two games aside, his offensive talents don´t prevent him from struggling to get 6 or 7 buckets, all I can do is shake my head in amazement because all the praise he´s receiving seems so strange.
Don´t misunderstand me. Marc is a great, great player, but a watered down version of Pau in every single aspect of the game except defense, and a huge dissapointment every time he faced an important game with Spain. I mean, Pau with his national team, taking responsability for them , has been one spectacular player, facing and clearly outplaying Duncan, Dirk, Howard, Love, Yao, etc. He did it every single time he faced a superstar.
On the other hand you got Marc, who becomes a puppy when he faces much lesser FIBA competition. He has collapsed under pressure every single time Pau didn´t join an FIBA competition, and that only happened in minor tournaments. When you watch them play together, you see a huge difference in both talents, and I am not talking about prime Pau, who is light years ahead of Marc. I´m talking about this last FIBA World Championship, with old Pau destroying Nene, Varejao,etc., while prime Marc could not hit a layup or grab a rebound for the sake of his soul.
And yes, he´s got the typical Gasol family IQ, fantastic offensive moves, outside shooting, court vision,etc., but really, MVP? The league is seriously bleep up if Marc, who is like 50 % of what Pau was, has a chance to win this trophy.
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Well, the MVP has nothing to do with International basketball, so what happens in FIBA has no bearing.
Yes, it has nothing to do with his game this NBA season, but it allows to have a proper perspective on Marc´s real level and especially on the league´s level this year.
A prime Pau, one of the most skilled bigs I´ve ever watched, who is light years ahead of his brother, was only a real MVP contender during 2010-11 for 2 or 3 months. Reading that Marc is on the 2014-15 MVP list with his watered down version of his brother´s talent is very clarifying. And hilarious, considering that this season an old and injured Pau is putting up 22-11-3-2 games like nothing, while for a prime Marc, a 22/11/3/2 game is something he usually gets once a month, when capable.
Getting Pau was the right choice because he and Kobe were near their peaks of their careers around the same time....Having Marc and Kobe wouldn't have netted the same results since Marc is peaking around the downside of Kobe's career.
Well, the MVP has nothing to do with International basketball, so what happens in FIBA has no bearing.
Yes, it has nothing to do with his game this NBA season, but it allows to have a proper perspective on Marc´s real level and especially on the league´s level this year.
A prime Pau, one of the most skilled bigs I´ve ever watched, who is light years ahead of his brother, was only a real MVP contender during 2010-11 for 2 or 3 months. Reading that Marc is on the 2014-15 MVP list with his watered down version of his brother´s talent is very clarifying. And hilarious, considering that this season an old and injured Pau is putting up 22-11-3-2 games like nothing, while for a prime Marc, a 22/11/3/2 game is something he usually gets once a month, when capable.
Well, it's unlikely that Marc will win the MVP this season, though. If he does, it would be of the Derrick Rose or Steve Nash variety where no one guy is jumping out from the pack for various reasons and the vote is split enough for it to go to him. I see what you're saying and agree that Marc isn't what I think of as an MVP-caliber player, though.
As a spaniard, I can tell you most basketball fans here find Marc´s hype absolutely hilarious.
I truly believe (and this applies to his brother too) that stats do not reflect half of his contribution to the team, but when I watch one of his typical games, in which his 7 foot are not enough to allow him to CLEARLY outrebound , say, a 36 year old version of Kobe, a SG, and leaving his last two games aside, his offensive talents don´t prevent him from struggling to get 6 or 7 buckets, all I can do is shake my head in amazement because all the praise he´s receiving seems so strange.
Don´t misunderstand me. Marc is a great, great player, but a watered down version of Pau in every single aspect of the game except defense, and a huge dissapointment every time he faced an important game with Spain. I mean, Pau with his national team, taking responsability for them , has been one spectacular player, facing and clearly outplaying Duncan, Dirk, Howard, Love, Yao, etc. He did it every single time he faced a superstar.
On the other hand you got Marc, who becomes a puppy when he faces much lesser FIBA competition. He has collapsed under pressure every single time Pau didn´t join an FIBA competition, and that only happened in minor tournaments. When you watch them play together, you see a huge difference in both talents, and I am not talking about prime Pau, who is light years ahead of Marc. I´m talking about this last FIBA World Championship, with old Pau destroying Nene, Varejao,etc., while prime Marc could not hit a layup or grab a rebound for the sake of his soul.
And yes, he´s got the typical Gasol family IQ, fantastic offensive moves, outside shooting, court vision,etc., but really, MVP? The league is seriously bleep up if Marc, who is like 50 % of what Pau was, has a chance to win this trophy.
Thanks for that take.
Personally, I'd love for Marc to disappoint while wearing the purple and gold!
Getting Pau was the right choice because he and Kobe were near their peaks of their careers around the same time....Having Marc and Kobe wouldn't have netted the same results since Marc is peaking around the downside of Kobe's career.
Ya but couldn't we have traded someone else other than Marc???? Like sun yue
Getting Pau was the right choice because he and Kobe were near their peaks of their careers around the same time....Having Marc and Kobe wouldn't have netted the same results since Marc is peaking around the downside of Kobe's career.
Ya but couldn't we have traded someone else other than Marc???? Like sun yue
Lakers supposedly tried to keep Marc (makes sense, he was the euro league MVP then and was Pau's brother) but the Grizzlies insisted on both him and Critt. It would have been amazing to have the Gasol brothers, but alas, Memphis knew what they were doing too.
Getting Pau was the right choice because he and Kobe were near their peaks of their careers around the same time....Having Marc and Kobe wouldn't have netted the same results since Marc is peaking around the downside of Kobe's career.
Ya but couldn't we have traded someone else other than Marc???? Like sun yue
Lakers supposedly tried to keep Marc (makes sense, he was the euro league MVP then and was Pau's brother) but the Grizzlies insisted on both him and Critt. It would have been amazing to have the Gasol brothers, but alas, Memphis knew what they were doing too.
When the trade went down it was universally (and I mean 100%) felt that the Lakers absolutely and unequivocally bent over Memphis and fleeced them. Now we're asking retroactively if we could have fleeced them even worse by forcing on them players that were trash even by the standards of that 2007 roster? Good ole' LG.
I actually thought about mentioning pau when I made the op but given the fact that marc is in the west and his team is over achieving right now I don't see how pau is going to beat him out in a race for mvp. Not to mention pau tends to get injuries here and there often that keep him out of games which we've already seen this season.
Getting Pau was the right choice because he and Kobe were near their peaks of their careers around the same time....Having Marc and Kobe wouldn't have netted the same results since Marc is peaking around the downside of Kobe's career.
Ya but couldn't we have traded someone else other than Marc???? Like sun yue
Lakers supposedly tried to keep Marc (makes sense, he was the euro league MVP then and was Pau's brother) but the Grizzlies insisted on both him and Critt. It would have been amazing to have the Gasol brothers, but alas, Memphis knew what they were doing too.
When the trade went down it was universally (and I mean 100%) felt that the Lakers absolutely and unequivocally bent over Memphis and fleeced them. Now we're asking retroactively if we could have fleeced them even worse by forcing on them players that were trash even by the standards of that 2007 roster? Good ole' LG.
Quite a few of us, me included, were saying Memphis got out good too. They wanted to slash salary, and they got good young prospects to boot. Haters around the league were just so upset at the Lakers getting a player like Pau to see Memphis did the right thing.
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mhan00 wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
LAKERSCMXCIX wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
frijolero01 wrote:
In before the "we should've kept Marc" posts
Getting Pau was the right choice because he and Kobe were near their peaks of their careers around the same time....Having Marc and Kobe wouldn't have netted the same results since Marc is peaking around the downside of Kobe's career.
Ya but couldn't we have traded someone else other than Marc???? Like sun yue
Lakers supposedly tried to keep Marc (makes sense, he was the euro league MVP then and was Pau's brother) but the Grizzlies insisted on both him and Critt. It would have been amazing to have the Gasol brothers, but alas, Memphis knew what they were doing too.
When the trade went down it was universally (and I mean 100%) felt that the Lakers absolutely and unequivocally bent over Memphis and fleeced them. Now we're asking retroactively if we could have fleeced them even worse by forcing on them players that were trash even by the standards of that 2007 roster? Good ole' LG.
Quite a few of us, me included, were saying Memphis got out good too. They wanted to slash salary, and they got good young prospects to boot. Haters around the league were just so upset at the Lakers getting a player like Pau to see Memphis did the right thing.
Don't forget that they used that cap space to get Zach Randolph, who turned out to be just as good for them as Pau, if not even better. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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If he has the numbers and his squad is at the top of the toughest conference and a division winner, dude should get serious consideration. That's been the criteria for a while now.
Curry will win the MVP. He's the best PG in the game and a top 3 player in the league.
Curry is the media darling, which is probably the most important part when there isnt a runaway train.
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If Anthony Davis doesn't win the MVP or DPOY award this year something is wrong. Best player in the NBA right now IMO
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