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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject:

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What freeway protesting really looks like:

http://www.10news.com/news/angry-driver-pushes-student-protester-on-blocked-i-5-112614


But seriously all those damn kids have nothing better to do.
They just want to (bleep) and whine about something. What the (bleep) is locking down a freeway in a protest gonna solve. SO damn stupid LOL

Now they are behind bars for what they did and I'm pretty damn sure more than half of them are regretting locking down a freeway as they'll probably get fined over $2k each LOL


They didn't go to jail for their actions. The cops just cleared the freeway so the motorists can go on their way...I do think blocking a freeway is pretty dumb, all it takes is one semi or car speeding unable to stop in time to turn these idiots into roadkill.
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Tells me to keep my ass outta Texas. Because I don't wanna be no accident.


Thank goodness for you that cops don't use lethal force in California.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:07 pm    Post subject:

With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject:

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With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.


And that is why you listen to authority otherwise people shouldn't complain about getting shot. Is is right? No, but understand that cops are human and they can react in a bad way if they feel threatened. Best option is to not put them in that situation.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:59 pm    Post subject:

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With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.


And that is why you listen to authority otherwise people shouldn't complain about getting shot. Is is right? No, but understand that cops are human and they can react in a bad way if they feel threatened. Best option is to not put them in that situation.


Cops should only be cops if they are good enough humans to police themselves.
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Tells me to keep my ass outta Texas. Because I don't wanna be no accident.


Thank goodness for you that cops don't use lethal force in California.


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With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.


What the hell are you talking about?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject:

NickF wrote:
With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.


There is no widespread proliferation of fully automatic weapons, unless you live on the set of an action movie. That is flatly untrue.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:22 pm    Post subject:

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som3on3_10 wrote:
NickF wrote:
With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.


And that is why you listen to authority otherwise people shouldn't complain about getting shot. Is is right? No, but understand that cops are human and they can react in a bad way if they feel threatened. Best option is to not put them in that situation.


Cops should only be cops if they are good enough humans to police themselves.


Have you ever been a cop? This seems like an ignorant thing to say looking from the outside in.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject:

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Here's my post from yesterday. You don't want to believe..fine. That's on you.



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Reading the grand jury report including all the forensic evidence presented to them before posting assumptions might be a good idea.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/25/366507379/ferguson-docs-how-the-grand-jury-reached-a-decision

No I don't believe them. Do you believe any of this

I'm still waiting for you to explain why all videos weren't given to the GJ.


Look, if you think think this is a conspiracy and a cover up, you go right ahead. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. There's no point discussing it with you. Looking at the world in black and white is kinda sad...

I'm not narrow minded. I don't look at the world in black in white, I include shades of gray. It's sad you don't. I see enough for an indictment.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:35 pm    Post subject:

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I'm not narrow minded. I don't look at the world in black in white, I include shades of gray. It's sad you don't. I see enough for an indictment.


Sure, there was enough evidence for an indictment. There was also enough evidence to justify a no-bill. While I haven't followed the details of the proceeding all that closely, it seems evident to me that (1) the prosecutors were at most indifferent about getting an indictment, and (2) without the prosecutors pressing hard for an indictment, the grand jury gave the benefit of the doubt to the cop, which is what they usually do.
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I'm not narrow minded. I don't look at the world in black in white, I include shades of gray. It's sad you don't. I see enough for an indictment.


Sure, there was enough evidence for an indictment. There was also enough evidence to justify a no-bill. While I haven't followed the details of the proceeding all that closely, it seems evident to me that (1) the prosecutors were at most indifferent about getting an indictment, and (2) without the prosecutors pressing hard for an indictment, the grand jury gave the benefit of the doubt to the cop, which is what they usually do.

I agree with point 1 which is why I thought there should have been an indictment. A reason I thought Nixon should have pressed for a special prosecutor.

Relating to the no-bill, I'm not convinced McColloch gave the GJ all the evidence.

If the GJ had indicted Wilson and he was acquitted at trial, I believe the looting and burning in Ferguson would have only been delayed.

Ferguson is a city that can become a model. Register it's citizens, go to the polls and make their voices heard.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:55 pm    Post subject:

#BlackoutBlackFriday: A National Call To Boycott Black Friday For Ferguson And Beyond

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Michael Brown's death has sparked a movement bent on change. The people of Ferguson, instead of burning their city, should join the movement.

Ferguson Protesters Celebrate Thanksgiving In A Church, Actively Boycott Black Friday

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:23 pm    Post subject:

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#BlackoutBlackFriday: A National Call To Boycott Black Friday For Ferguson And Beyond

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Michael Brown's death has sparked a movement bent on change. The people of Ferguson, instead of burning their city, should join the movement.

Ferguson Protesters Celebrate Thanksgiving In A Church, Actively Boycott Black Friday

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Brick and mortar retail has nothing to do with police brutality. It would make more sense if they were trying to stop shopper on shopper crime during Black Friday. Another misguided attempt to protest.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject:

Found this. By this, it appears that all the shots, less the first two, were lumped together near where Brown went down. This makes it hard to say that Wilson was firing at a fleeing felon and calls into question so many of the witnesses. I tended to believe them until this. It also is a great overhead visual of the scene besides showing where the bullet casings, among other items, were found.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&;WT.nav=top-news&_r=3
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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Found this. By this, it appears that all the shots, less the first two, were lumped together near where Brown went down. This makes it hard to say that Wilson was firing at a fleeing felon and calls into question so many of the witnesses. I tended to believe them until this. It also is a great overhead visual of the scene besides showing where the bullet casings, among other items, were found.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&;WT.nav=top-news&_r=3


I always thought the witnesses were the biggest problem for Brown's side. There were too many conflicting stories leading to a major credibility issue for them as a whole. If I recall correctly, I think Brown's friend at one point even said that Brown was shot in the back.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:39 am    Post subject:

16 arrested as demonstrations return to Ferguson

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What troubles me is so many of the people arrested are not from Ferguson. They're more detrimental than helpful.

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Sixteen people were arrested, according to St. Louis County Police spokesman Shawn McGuire. Fifteen of those arrested were for misdemeanor peace disturbance. One man, Joygill Moriah of the Bronx, New York, was charged with assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest and peace disturbance. He did not have a listed attorney. Only one of those arrested was from the St. Louis area. Eight were from New York City.


Demonstrations around the country are going put the GJ in New York debating whether or not to charge Daniel Pantaleo for the choke hold death of Eric Garner in the spotlight.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:43 am    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:
C M B wrote:
What freeway protesting really looks like:

http://www.10news.com/news/angry-driver-pushes-student-protester-on-blocked-i-5-112614


But seriously all those damn kids have nothing better to do.
They just want to (bleep) and whine about something. What the (bleep) is locking down a freeway in a protest gonna solve. SO damn stupid LOL

Now they are behind bars for what they did and I'm pretty damn sure more than half of them are regretting locking down a freeway as they'll probably get fined over $2k each LOL


They didn't go to jail for their actions. The cops just cleared the freeway so the motorists can go on their way...I do think blocking a freeway is pretty dumb, all it takes is one semi or car speeding unable to stop in time to turn these idiots into roadkill.



I'm all understanding of civil disobedience and sometimes it takes inconveniencing people to get their attention, but this is just stupid. Blocking a freeway on morning rush hour when people have to go to work? Wow. You want the citizens on your side, not against you.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:44 am    Post subject:

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NickF wrote:
With widespread proliferation of semi automatic/fully automatic weapons, and the NRA pushing lax gun laws, the police are now unwilling to take any risk to themselves and will use lethal force under almost any pretext.


And that is why you listen to authority otherwise people shouldn't complain about getting shot. Is is right? No, but understand that cops are human and they can react in a bad way if they feel threatened. Best option is to not put them in that situation.



Except when cops overreact or escalate the situations themselves.

You're so naive.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:46 am    Post subject:

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16 arrested as demonstrations return to Ferguson

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What troubles me is so many of the people arrested are not from Ferguson. They're more detrimental than helpful.

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Sixteen people were arrested, according to St. Louis County Police spokesman Shawn McGuire. Fifteen of those arrested were for misdemeanor peace disturbance. One man, Joygill Moriah of the Bronx, New York, was charged with assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest and peace disturbance. He did not have a listed attorney. Only one of those arrested was from the St. Louis area. Eight were from New York City.


Demonstrations around the country are going put the GJ in New York debating whether or not to charge Daniel Pantaleo for the choke hold death of Eric Garner in the spotlight.



This issue is beyond Michael Brown and Ferguson. It's a national issue regarding police tactics and policies.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject:

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16 arrested as demonstrations return to Ferguson

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What troubles me is so many of the people arrested are not from Ferguson. They're more detrimental than helpful.

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Sixteen people were arrested, according to St. Louis County Police spokesman Shawn McGuire. Fifteen of those arrested were for misdemeanor peace disturbance. One man, Joygill Moriah of the Bronx, New York, was charged with assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest and peace disturbance. He did not have a listed attorney. Only one of those arrested was from the St. Louis area. Eight were from New York City.


Demonstrations around the country are going put the GJ in New York debating whether or not to charge Daniel Pantaleo for the choke hold death of Eric Garner in the spotlight.



This issue is beyond Michael Brown and Ferguson. It's a national issue regarding police tactics and policies.

This is true. My concern is the people arrested who don't live in Ferguson are impeding progress in the city geared to heal.

Outsiders are causing the unrest to become violent in most cases, not the citizens of Ferguson.

Darren Wilson's life is in shambles. He's on the run, in hiding. While he was mowing his lawn, he got a call telling him his address was on the Internet. He left immediately , his lawn half mowed. He's been on the move every since.
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dvdrdiscs wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:
C M B wrote:
What freeway protesting really looks like:

http://www.10news.com/news/angry-driver-pushes-student-protester-on-blocked-i-5-112614


But seriously all those damn kids have nothing better to do.
They just want to (bleep) and whine about something. What the (bleep) is locking down a freeway in a protest gonna solve. SO damn stupid LOL

Now they are behind bars for what they did and I'm pretty damn sure more than half of them are regretting locking down a freeway as they'll probably get fined over $2k each LOL


They didn't go to jail for their actions. The cops just cleared the freeway so the motorists can go on their way...I do think blocking a freeway is pretty dumb, all it takes is one semi or car speeding unable to stop in time to turn these idiots into roadkill.



I'm all understanding of civil disobedience and sometimes it takes inconveniencing people to get their attention, but this is just stupid. Blocking a freeway on morning rush hour when people have to go to work? Wow. You want the citizens on your side, not against you.


Yes economics is far more important than respecting human life.
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jodeke wrote:
16 arrested as demonstrations return to Ferguson

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What troubles me is so many of the people arrested are not from Ferguson. They're more detrimental than helpful.

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Sixteen people were arrested, according to St. Louis County Police spokesman Shawn McGuire. Fifteen of those arrested were for misdemeanor peace disturbance. One man, Joygill Moriah of the Bronx, New York, was charged with assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest and peace disturbance. He did not have a listed attorney. Only one of those arrested was from the St. Louis area. Eight were from New York City.


Demonstrations around the country are going put the GJ in New York debating whether or not to charge Daniel Pantaleo for the choke hold death of Eric Garner in the spotlight.



This issue is beyond Michael Brown and Ferguson. It's a national issue regarding police tactics and policies.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject:

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dvdrdiscs wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:
C M B wrote:
What freeway protesting really looks like:

http://www.10news.com/news/angry-driver-pushes-student-protester-on-blocked-i-5-112614


But seriously all those damn kids have nothing better to do.
They just want to (bleep) and whine about something. What the (bleep) is locking down a freeway in a protest gonna solve. SO damn stupid LOL

Now they are behind bars for what they did and I'm pretty damn sure more than half of them are regretting locking down a freeway as they'll probably get fined over $2k each LOL


They didn't go to jail for their actions. The cops just cleared the freeway so the motorists can go on their way...I do think blocking a freeway is pretty dumb, all it takes is one semi or car speeding unable to stop in time to turn these idiots into roadkill.



I'm all understanding of civil disobedience and sometimes it takes inconveniencing people to get their attention, but this is just stupid. Blocking a freeway on morning rush hour when people have to go to work? Wow. You want the citizens on your side, not against you.


Yes economics is far more important than respecting human life.


And keeping PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY (with actual jobs) from their LIVELIHOOD is respectful? How many lives were negatively affected because doctors, nurses, teachers and other people couldn't report to their workplace? "Respect human life"... Pppffttt. Please, the majority of these "protestors" don't give 2 turds, bro. Mob mentality.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:24 am    Post subject:

Something I don't understand but feel some respect for is it seems in the Trayvon Martin case the media dug into his past and worked at making him look like a bad kid

My gut feeling tells me Michael Browns stepfather potentially had some bad influence on him

It seems the media hasn't tried to find ways to smear Michael Browns character or Darren Wilson's .. @@unless I've missed it.
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