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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Which games were those??? |
The golden state game for one. Lin was timid and Kobe found himself with the ball a lot while the rest of the team was missing shots. It ended up being Kobe was something like 7-13 and the rest of the team was 2-13. I didn't feel Kobe was forcing shots much. |
Found himself with the ball a lot? Hahaha. Look, hey, a ball! Haha.
He was absolutely forcing shots, as he normally does when others are cold. The good news was, he was making them. Of his 7 makes, 6 were unassisted. Just because he made them doesn't mean they came out of the flow of an offense. (And, just because they came out of the flow of an offense doesn't mean I won't take em!) |
Are you serious? Just because a shot wasn't assisted doesn't mean it wasn't in the flow of the offense, And only you are finding your dumb sarcasm funny, |
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fafan Star Player
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Who will save the lakers from Kobe? It's for sure not Lin. He doesn't have the skill or fire to do it. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Which games were those??? |
The golden state game for one. Lin was timid and Kobe found himself with the ball a lot while the rest of the team was missing shots. It ended up being Kobe was something like 7-13 and the rest of the team was 2-13. I didn't feel Kobe was forcing shots much. |
Found himself with the ball a lot? Hahaha. Look, hey, a ball! Haha.
He was absolutely forcing shots, as he normally does when others are cold. The good news was, he was making them. Of his 7 makes, 6 were unassisted. Just because he made them doesn't mean they came out of the flow of an offense. (And, just because they came out of the flow of an offense doesn't mean I won't take em!) |
Are you serious? Just because a shot wasn't assisted doesn't mean it wasn't in the flow of the offense, And only you are finding your dumb sarcasm funny, |
Yes. I'm serious. And I didn't say that they were out of the flow of the offense because they were unassisted. I was just pointing out that they were just in case you wanted to do the you-saw-I-saw thing.
Are you emotionally vested in this or something? We could just agree to disagree ya know.
You said there have been a couple of games where Kobe shot 8-10 times in the first quarter without forcing shots. What's the other game? |
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Which games were those??? |
The golden state game for one. Lin was timid and Kobe found himself with the ball a lot while the rest of the team was missing shots. It ended up being Kobe was something like 7-13 and the rest of the team was 2-13. I didn't feel Kobe was forcing shots much. |
Found himself with the ball a lot? Hahaha. Look, hey, a ball! Haha.
He was absolutely forcing shots, as he normally does when others are cold. The good news was, he was making them. Of his 7 makes, 6 were unassisted. Just because he made them doesn't mean they came out of the flow of an offense. (And, just because they came out of the flow of an offense doesn't mean I won't take em!) |
Are you serious? Just because a shot wasn't assisted doesn't mean it wasn't in the flow of the offense, And only you are finding your dumb sarcasm funny, |
Yes. I'm serious. And I didn't say that they were out of the flow of the offense because they were unassisted. I was just pointing out that they were just in case you wanted to do the you-saw-I-saw thing.
Are you emotionally vested in this or something? We could just agree to disagree ya know.
You said there have been a couple of games where Kobe shot 8-10 times in the first quarter without forcing shots. What's the other game? |
i'm not emotionally invested but you seemed to be with your out of place sarcasm in your posts above when we were just having a regular convo. It was unnecessary. I'm done conversing with you because I don't want to take pages of conversations that we were warned about before. |
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fafan Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | Who will save the lakers from Kobe? It's for sure not Lin. He doesn't have the skill or fire to do it. |
Of course, not Lin himself. Even in Linsanity time, that was the whole team work, but he triggered it. So the answer is whole team, even including Kobe. _________________ "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." --Sarah Cook. |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ “It took many years of vomiting up all the filth I’d been taught about myself, and half-believed, before I was able to walk on the earth as though I had a right to be here.”
― James Baldwin, Collected Essays |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | Who will save the lakers from Kobe? It's for sure not Lin. He doesn't have the skill or fire to do it. |
That Kobe is a bum..... |
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Avada Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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26/5/5/5 in the last game...
31/12/11 tonight..
Amazing. |
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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It ain't even December yet. So many Laker fans on this board ready to pounce on kobe when he has a bad game or two, yet he's coming off two major injuries and looking like his old self in November at 36 years old.
Hats off to the mamba. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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Laker Intervention Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Has been awesome since he went share mode. Once he finds the rhythm with this team of balancing the attack and pass more smoothly, he'll be more deadly in the 2nd half.
Another awesome accomplishment tonight and happy it came with a W.
This road trip can do a lot for team's morale and confidence. Time for Mamba to lead out East. |
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Lakerfan 4 Life Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Great, great game, Kobe! |
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PhoenixForce Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Haters are very quiet in this thread tonight. |
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Avada Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Its funny how this thread is so active when he struggles but so quiet when he has a great game....and on a Laker forum too.. |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Avada wrote: | Its funny how this thread is so active when he struggles but so quiet when he has a great game....and on a Laker forum too.. |
_________________ “It took many years of vomiting up all the filth I’d been taught about myself, and half-believed, before I was able to walk on the earth as though I had a right to be here.”
― James Baldwin, Collected Essays |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: |
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KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | Avada wrote: | Its funny how this thread is so active when he struggles but so quiet when he has a great game....and on a Laker forum too.. |
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silkwilkes Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:40 am Post subject: |
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This sums it up:
"The difference is," said Bryant, "when they make them, I don't have to force the offense. When you miss them, and you go down 12, 15 points, then I've got to try and force the issue a little bit and keep us in the ball game.
"But when they hit shots like that, it makes my job easier." |
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I Love LA Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Avada wrote: | Its funny how this thread is so active when he struggles but so quiet when he has a great game....and on a Laker forum too.. |
Well I guess it is the p&m thread. Nothing to p&m about with tonight's game. They'll be back with the next loss...rational or not. |
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Avada Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:36 am Post subject: |
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i thought it was the discussion thread. it's fine to to criticize him when he deserves it but you also have to give credit when plays well. its just funny how certain posters are nowhere to be found... |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Great game by kobe. Bad for the tank but a good game indeed. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:16 am Post subject: |
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If you take out the 1-14 (0-5 3pt) from San Antonio game:
16G 9.56 - 23.6 40.3% 1.62 - 5.5 29.5% 27.7
It's not 40th best player numbers |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | If you take out the 1-14 (0-5 3pt) from San Antonio game:
16G 9.56 - 23.6 40.3% 1.62 - 5.5 29.5% 7.0 - 8.9 78.3% 5.4 4.6 0.2 1.4 2.9 27.7
It's not 40th best player numbers |
compared to 28 yr old TMac in 2007-2008 which gets 8th place in MVP voting:
9.7-23.4 41.7% 2.6-7.7 33.9% 28.0 5.9-7.5 79.6 6.0 5.5 0.6 1.4 2.7 28.0 |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:47 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | If you take out the 1-14 (0-5 3pt) from San Antonio game:
16G 9.56 - 23.6 40.3% 1.62 - 5.5 29.5% 27.7
It's not 40th best player numbers |
What's the logic on removing his worst game, but not his best game?
If you take out all the times I've been wrong, I've always been right. Thus, I'm, errrm, ehh, never wrong? Haha |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:54 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | governator wrote: | If you take out the 1-14 (0-5 3pt) from San Antonio game:
16G 9.56 - 23.6 40.3% 1.62 - 5.5 29.5% 27.7
It's not 40th best player numbers |
What's the logic on removing his worst game, but not his best game?
If you take out all the times I've been wrong, I've always been right. Thus, I'm, errrm, ehh, never wrong? Haha |
Just trying to show that he is not the 40th best player and it's actually amazing to see what he is doing now is similar to what TMac was doing at 28.
Without removing the San Antonio game:
9.1-23.1 39.2% 1.5-5.5 28.0% 7.0-8.9 78.3% 5.4 4.6 0.2 1.4 2.9 26.6
compared to 28 yr old TMac in 2007-2008
9.7-23.4 41.7% 2.6-7.7 33.9% 5.9-7.5 79.6% 6.0 5.5 0.6 1.4 2.7 28.0
Still similar numbers to TMac's when he finished 8th in MVP voting |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Kobe is nowhere near the 40th player. Right now, probably top 20-22. What's holding him down is the team's record and inefficiencies (stats-wise).
While it's fair to marvel at Kobe's return given his age/injuries/etc., I don't think those are factors to include in an overall ranking system. That should be blind to these kind of factors, though they are important to us as Lakers fans.
I think if Kobe had a better overall supporting cast, both his wins/losses records and efficiencies would improve. His 20-22 ranking right now has to do a lot with these external factors. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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