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Laker Lover Star Player
Joined: 14 Dec 2011 Posts: 2274
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:38 am Post subject: Props to DIRK NOWITZKI |
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http://espn.go.com/nba/history/leaders
Will be 7th in all time scoring behind Shaq by seasons end.
I was surprised to see how high he was on the list.
Never was a fan of his but the guy is a legend.
Played with one team entire career.
Has a championship ring, league MVP and NBA Finals MVP trophy. |
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dirkules Rookie
Joined: 08 Dec 2011 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Remember when it was discussed if Dirk was as good as Pau Gasol? |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:08 am Post subject: |
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He could potentially have 30,000 points and 10,000 rebounds when he hangs it up. Only 3 guys have ever done that: KAJ, Karl Malone and Wilt. |
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doughboy90650 Franchise Player
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 15294 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Probably the best European player ever. Congrats Diggler. |
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kobe_4_mvp Star Player
Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 3798
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:11 am Post subject: |
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overrated |
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ribeye Franchise Player
Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 12611
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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22 Franchise Player
Joined: 05 Apr 2013 Posts: 17063
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
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vanexelent Retired Number
Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 30081
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
Where would a player with the following biography rank?:
- 1 NBA Title
- 1 DPOY Award
- #4 All Time TS%
- #2 All Time FG%
- #2 All Time EFg%
- #20 All Time Offensive Rating |
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Telleris Star Player
Joined: 28 May 2013 Posts: 2371
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | 22 wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
Where would a player with the following biography rank?:
- 1 NBA Title
- 1 DPOY Award
- #4 All Time TS%
- #2 All Time FG%
- #2 All Time EFg%
- #20 All Time Offensive Rating |
To be all time high in both TS and FG, you're probably not shooting a lot, nor anywhere away from the basket, so probably not high (most near every star player tends to have TS way higher than FG, except close to the basket centers) and only the truly dominant ones could put up high career averages (Shaq, Wilt) with that gamestyle.
Also take that there's not even an all nba team award (judging by those numbers its tyson chandler?), and yeah _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 30619
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | 22 wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
Where would a player with the following biography rank?:
- 1 NBA Title
- 1 DPOY Award
- #4 All Time TS%
- #2 All Time FG%
- #2 All Time EFg%
- #20 All Time Offensive Rating |
You still need raw stats. |
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vanexelent Retired Number
Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 30081
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: | vanexelent wrote: | 22 wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
Where would a player with the following biography rank?:
- 1 NBA Title
- 1 DPOY Award
- #4 All Time TS%
- #2 All Time FG%
- #2 All Time EFg%
- #20 All Time Offensive Rating |
You still need raw stats. |
The rankings represent the historic context of the raw stats. |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 30619
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | jonnybravo wrote: | vanexelent wrote: | 22 wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
Where would a player with the following biography rank?:
- 1 NBA Title
- 1 DPOY Award
- #4 All Time TS%
- #2 All Time FG%
- #2 All Time EFg%
- #20 All Time Offensive Rating |
You still need raw stats. |
The rankings represent the historic context of the raw stats. |
What I mean by raw stats is flat out high numbers of both points/rebounds and or assists over a long period. Those are efficiency numbers. Like Telleris said, a guy who barely shoots and has a gaudy FG% isn't that impressive. |
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kobe_4_mvp Star Player
Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 3798
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | 22 wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
This comment is neither here or there, nor is it directed at you ribeye, but that says a lot about all those metrics if at the end of the day they can't tell you who the better player is.
On topic: Congrats to Dirk. One of the best PFs of all time. |
Where would a player with the following biography rank?:
- 1 NBA Title
- 1 DPOY Award
- #4 All Time TS%
- #2 All Time FG%
- #2 All Time EFg%
- #20 All Time Offensive Rating |
ummm......
edit: nevermind, thought you were talking about nowitzki |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144432 Location: The Gold Coast
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | Statistically (PER, TS%, EFg%, Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, WS, WS/48--though Kobe leads in VORP and the other ASPM metrics), he's had a better career than Kobe. This is not saying he's the better player or had the better career, but that he's had an amazing career. |
Both are/were great players in this era, along with TD. We are lucky to have been able to watch them. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Laker Lover Star Player
Joined: 14 Dec 2011 Posts: 2274
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Moved into 8th place tonight vs the Lakers. |
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nevitt_smrek Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | He could potentially have 30,000 points and 10,000 rebounds when he hangs it up. Only 3 guys have ever done that: KAJ, Karl Malone and Wilt. |
Amazing. Players that are double-double and/or reach 10000 in two categories are usually special. Dirk is one of them. He changed the game and the way PF's are viewed. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0 |
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Hammett Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Dirk's early 2000s teams (Van Exel era) were a lot of fun to watch. _________________ Lakers. Built different. |
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Lakers95 Franchise Player
Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Posts: 20880 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I gained a hell of a lot of respect for Dirk after his 2011 run, and he's been one of my favorite players since. I wouldn't mind seeing him win one more title before he retires. |
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Hard_Butter Franchise Player
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Posts: 12223 Location: The Two One Three
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hammett wrote: | Dirk's early 2000s teams (Van Exel era) were a lot of fun to watch. |
If the Mavs had kept Nash, they probably would've won a couple of more chips. _________________ The butter's hard and the eggs are chillin' in the dark.
Kiss my Converse. |
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