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revgen
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The big problem is that Charlotte is playing him at SG and SF. He's more of a PG IMO and better off playing that position.
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indy_dave000
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Lance Stephenson is not a pg, when we ( Pacers) tried him at the point the ball stopped he'd dribble till about 5 seconds left then hoist a fall back jumper or a fancy pass. Word here is that the Pacers have interest in bringing him back.
For Lance that would be the best thing other teams are afraid of Lance's loose cannon reputation. Here in Indy the Pacers had built a strong support group.
If Lance came back here I'd guess you'd see mainly expirings going to Charlotte, the one name player who could be involved might be David West who has an opt out after this season, and who still lives in the Charlotte area. |
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vanexelent
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| indy_dave000 wrote: | Lance Stephenson is not a pg, when we ( Pacers) tried him at the point the ball stopped he'd dribble till about 5 seconds left then hoist a fall back jumper or a fancy pass. Word here is that the Pacers have interest in bringing him back.
For Lance that would be the best thing other teams are afraid of Lance's loose cannon reputation. Here in Indy the Pacers had built a strong support group.
If Lance came back here I'd guess you'd see mainly expirings going to Charlotte, the one name player who could be involved might be David West who has an opt out after this season, and who still lives in the Charlotte area. |
Good insight. Watching the Pacers last two years, it did seem that Lance had a "Lebron-like" role in bringing the ball up on many occasions. Perhaps not on set plays, but it seemed like he moved the ball well up court and the team responded to it.
I wonder if Lance only played so well in Indy because Paul George was the #1. Without him in the lineup, especially if D. West isn't there, probably won't return Lance to his former playing level. |
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indy_dave000
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Larry Bird would like nothing more than to make MJ cough up a young player or a draft pick for the Pacers taking Lance back. Add to that the father figure Larry was to Lance here, Larry would enjoy telling Lance - son I told you this is home and leaving would be a mistake.
The only teams I think with real interest in Lance are the Nets and Pacers. Brooklyn his home area and Indiana his 1st NBA home.
As for former playing self here- the Pacers are a different team this season anyway Paul George and George Hill have both missed a third of the season already and David West has only played 9 games this season and has looked old and slow.
Lance was a huge fan favorite and bringing him back with the team playing so badly would boost fAn interest a key for a small market team attendance.
I'd still say its a long shot Stephenson is a Pacer again soon. |
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jonnybravo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| indy_dave000 wrote: | Lance Stephenson is not a pg, when we ( Pacers) tried him at the point the ball stopped he'd dribble till about 5 seconds left then hoist a fall back jumper or a fancy pass. Word here is that the Pacers have interest in bringing him back.
For Lance that would be the best thing other teams are afraid of Lance's loose cannon reputation. Here in Indy the Pacers had built a strong support group.
If Lance came back here I'd guess you'd see mainly expirings going to Charlotte, the one name player who could be involved might be David West who has an opt out after this season, and who still lives in the Charlotte area. |
That would be a good move for them. They'd basically get him back at a lower price than they had originally offered. |
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carlosLisboa
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| 24 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | I think it's a fairly natural part of his progression and transition. As Clifford said, he's not a star...yet. He has the talent to be one. And he's handled his situation in Charlotte with maturity. He's not pouting, complaining to the media, or being a locker room issue. Even while struggling from the field, he's still been rebounding and generating assists, although to be fair, I haven't caught a game other than the one vs. us. At 3 year, $27M w/a team option, he was a huge whiff by the FO. High reward w/very little risk. |
Back during the offseason, I compared Stevenson to George Hill as an example of a guy who in the right system with a lot of other weapons and attention diverted elsewhere, produces numbers and efficiencies in a limited number of opportunities that cause people to extrapolate what he would do if he was given more opportunities. The problem with this extrapolation is, if you move a guy up the pecking order, and thus focus the defense more on him, or if you change systems in order to do so, you begin to see the holes in their game that has them producing what they already are, as opposed to getting more opportunity.
Simply put, Stevenson has glaring holes in his game. He is a mediocre 3 point shooter, average at a league level, but sub average on a positional basis. What’s more, he benefitted from Indy’s system and the attention given to other players. Teams keyed on George and David West, and what’s more, they were loath to leave Hill because of his open 3 point shooting skills, and Hibbert because of his size and location around the basket. So Stevenson was the guy they chose to beat them off the rotation. He got a ton of open 3 looks (which makes his percentage even worse, since players tend to hit a much higher percentage wide open), and spent a lot of the time getting the ball in open space or against a rotating defender. Importantly, Stevenson is an awful shooter at mid and long 2’s (he shot 35% on 2 point shots outside of 10 feet last year), and he gets even worse (as we have seen in Charlotte) when someone contests those shots more regularly.
He did the vast majority of his damage in the lane last year, exploiting seams, lack of coverage, or single rotating coverage to get there. He is no longer getting there at the same rate, and he isn’t converting as well either. He has seen a 20% drop in the percentage of his attempts inside 3 feet, and an 11% drop in attempts between 3 and 10 feet, his bread and butter areas last year. Further, he has seen a decline of his fg% in those areas from 69 to 61 percent at the rim, and from 43 to 21 percent. He has seen an increase of 38% in his shots from 10-16 feet (where he hits 35%), and a whopping 108% increase in percentage of shots from 16 feet to the 3 line (which he is hitting at 32%). He has been effectively driven off the 3 shot as well (down 48% as a percentage of shots), and has been awful at the ones he takes.
What is revealed about Stephenson is that he lacks the ability to manufacture good shots for himself when paid attention to, and he also lacks the ability to make shots with a contesting defender nearby. He is an excellent passer, seeing others well as they open up and delivery the correct, timely pass, but he cannot create for himself without the huge window of opportunity afforded by being far down the defensive pecking order. Rather than being held back in Indy, he was being propped up, and his efficiencies there were primarily due to lack of defensive attention. We saw that after the allstar break last year, when he attempted to do more, drew more attention, and his numbers fell. They have fallen even more as defenses have figured out his vast holes and tailored themselves to exploiting those while challenging his sweet spots.
Worse than all of this is his attitude. He wants to be a star, and becomes moody, pouty, and selfish when things don’t go his way. After the allstar snub, he became a cancer, and his defense fell off considerably (his d rating fell off hugely after the break, and remains right there in Charlotte, a team that was top 5 in defensive rating last year without him, but has plummeted to 24th with him). He is already said to be an internal distraction in Charlotte and is on the market. |
Both he and ex-teammate Evan Turner deserve the Most Des-improved Player of the Year award.
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| eureca wrote: | | Quote: | @WojYahooNBA
So far, Charlotte's been unwilling to attach a first-round pick to unload Stephenson. That could've kick-started conversation with Pacers. |
So teams are looking for a 1st rounder to even take Stephenson? He is on a 2 year contract the 3rd year is a team option.
Obviously Nash is available as an expiring. Why are they giving him away like candy? I know he hasn't played well, but im guessing its his attitude as well. |
Buyers remorse....
Even for a franchise like the Hornets, giving up on him only 20+ games into his 3 year contract says a lot. |
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wolfpaclaker
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| He's a Ron Artest type of career player. Will be awesome some places, awful others. If he's your 4th best player, you can win rings. If you rely on him being the best, you're screwed. |
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