sounds like something worth trying n the d league _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:14 am Post subject:
Don't let Byron scott hear this. If he realizes he can timewarp backneven farther than the 80s... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Their affiliate. the Reno Bighorns (5-4) have been doing this with mixed results. Doubtful it will work in the NBA, the offenses will exploit this to their advantage.
These gimmicks are interesting, but they don't lead to rings. Back in the day. Paul Westhead (LMU) wanted to transform the Nuggets with a gimmick offense but it didn't work out too well. They averaged 119 but gave up around 130. Heck they even gave up 107 in a HALF to the Kings one year.
Would love to see Golden State do that. Cherry pick klay or curry all game and press with 4. Igoudala, lee, barnes and bogut could play D.
Also maybe I should bet the over on Kings games moving forward.
Why would they mess with that when they are winning games, and have the best record in the NBA? I can see why the Kings would do it since their franchise needs some excitement and an experimental offense would probably get some people to be actually interested in watching a Kings game.
Ranadive did this with his daughter's middle school basketball team. They had two good players and no one else could dribble or shoot. Using a 100% full court press they went to the regional finals or something.
He's trying to reinvent the game like his company reinvented the stock market. He doesn't think teams should concede the inbound or get back to let the other team set up their offense.
Good teams would eat them alive if they tried it. But at the high school level...it was pretty effective. They didn't even pressure the inbounder....they used five bodies to cover four players. They'd often get steals and easy layups.
Ranadive did this with his daughter's middle school basketball team. They had two good players and no one else could dribble or shoot. Using a 100% full court press they went to the regional finals or something.
He's trying to reinvent the game like his company reinvented the stock market. He doesn't think teams should concede the inbound or get back to let the other team set up their offense.
Good teams would eat them alive if they tried it. But at the high school level...it was pretty effective. They didn't even pressure the inbounder....they used five bodies to cover four players. They'd often get steals and easy layups.
slowing the team from setting up their offense works pretty well, a ball pressure point guard can usually stall the offense for a cpl seconds every possession, which over the course of a game probably gets you 3 or 4 points. The US World Cup team employed something like the heavy press idea, but that was because K wanted to leverage that every guy he brought in was better than your guy (probably why they were the most successful team since dream team 1), the nba the gap wouldn't allow that as it is more draining for the team who does it. _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong
Ranadive did this with his daughter's middle school basketball team. They had two good players and no one else could dribble or shoot. Using a 100% full court press they went to the regional finals or something.
He's trying to reinvent the game like his company reinvented the stock market. He doesn't think teams should concede the inbound or get back to let the other team set up their offense.
Good teams would eat them alive if they tried it. But at the high school level...it was pretty effective. They didn't even pressure the inbounder....they used five bodies to cover four players. They'd often get steals and easy layups.
Stuff like this works at the lower levels because these guys aren't real good at covering their weaknesses. I don't think it will work at the pro level just because these guys are that good. They will easily find exploits in the system. They implemented this system in their D-League affiliate and it doesn't really work well since the other teams are able to use their lack of defense on the open man to score easy buckets.
Their affiliate. the Reno Bighorns (5-4) have been doing this with mixed results. Doubtful it will work in the NBA, the offenses will exploit this to their advantage.
These gimmicks are interesting, but they don't lead to rings. Back in the day. Paul Westhead (LMU) wanted to transform the Nuggets with a gimmick offense but it didn't work out too well. They averaged 119 but gave up around 130. Heck they even gave up 107 in a HALF to the Kings one year.
Their affiliate. the Reno Bighorns (5-4) have been doing this with mixed results. Doubtful it will work in the NBA, the offenses will exploit this to their advantage.
These gimmicks are interesting, but they don't lead to rings. Back in the day. Paul Westhead (LMU) wanted to transform the Nuggets with a gimmick offense but it didn't work out too well. They averaged 119 but gave up around 130. Heck they even gave up 107 in a HALF to the Kings one year.
Their affiliate. the Reno Bighorns (5-4) have been doing this with mixed results. Doubtful it will work in the NBA, the offenses will exploit this to their advantage.
These gimmicks are interesting, but they don't lead to rings. Back in the day. Paul Westhead (LMU) wanted to transform the Nuggets with a gimmick offense but it didn't work out too well. They averaged 119 but gave up around 130. Heck they even gave up 107 in a HALF to the Kings one year.
Their affiliate. the Reno Bighorns (5-4) have been doing this with mixed results. Doubtful it will work in the NBA, the offenses will exploit this to their advantage.
These gimmicks are interesting, but they don't lead to rings. Back in the day. Paul Westhead (LMU) wanted to transform the Nuggets with a gimmick offense but it didn't work out too well. They averaged 119 but gave up around 130. Heck they even gave up 107 in a HALF to the Kings one year.
Their affiliate. the Reno Bighorns (5-4) have been doing this with mixed results. Doubtful it will work in the NBA, the offenses will exploit this to their advantage.
These gimmicks are interesting, but they don't lead to rings. Back in the day. Paul Westhead (LMU) wanted to transform the Nuggets with a gimmick offense but it didn't work out too well. They averaged 119 but gave up around 130. Heck they even gave up 107 in a HALF to the Kings one year.
It was a gimmick system for sure, it revived a couple of basketball programs but really its not a system you can build a program around.
ESPN did a documentary on this called "Guru of Go" where they covered his time at LMU.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Would love to see Golden State do that. Cherry pick klay or curry all game and press with 4. Igoudala, lee, barnes and bogut could play D.
Also maybe I should bet the over on Kings games moving forward.
Why would they mess with that when they are winning games, and have the best record in the NBA? I can see why the Kings would do it since their franchise needs some excitement and an experimental offense would probably get some people to be actually interested in watching a Kings game.
GS would never change what they're doing. You're right about that.
I was just saying it would be entertaining for me to see. They could score a crazy amount of points if it worked out well, and I wouldn't care if it doesn't. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
The cherry picking strategy is hard to stop on lower levels. I used to do it with a group of friends and we'd control the court for a while. It should not work against any nba team however.
what a stupid strategy. With 4v5 you are not getting any quick turnovers. Your only opportunities to hit your cherry picker would be on a missed or made shot.... and by the time that happens NBA level guards would be able to sprint down the court and cover the cherry picker.
Had a chance to see Quincy Miller and the vaunted Reno Bighorns play against the LA D-fenders last night in a record-breaker. The Bighorns' defense was shredded by the D-fenders, by the end of the first quarter, they gave up 56 points. That is not a typo, 56 points. By the end of the game, the Bighorns did score 152 points, but gave up a record-breaking 175 points to the LA D-fenders.
Bear in mind the Bighorns are a Kings affiliate, the whining for calls seems to have a trickle-down effect. The Bighorns coach complained about calls more than any other coach I've seen in the d-league. At half-time his players were so frustrated by the score (94-79) they apparently started throwing stuff around in the Lakers weight room (Toyota Sports Center is the Lakers practice facility) and had to be reprimanded.
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