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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject:

Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:24 am    Post subject:

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Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.


1. He's playing in China against inferior competition.
2. No jumpshot.
3. Lacks great change of direction skills in a confined space.
4. Lacks intensity on defense.
5. He's not an elite athlete.
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Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.


1. He's playing in China against inferior competition.
2. No jumpshot.
3. Lacks great change of direction skills in a confined space.
4. Lacks intensity on defense.
5. He's not an elite athlete.


His jumpshot looked improved in China and I think he's an above average athelete. Not on John wall or drose level but he makes up for it with strength.i agree about his defense but I don't think he even tries at all. He does need a lot of space to operate and he should have plenty in the NBA with the high pick n roll.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:04 pm    Post subject:

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Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.


1. He's playing in China against inferior competition.
2. No jumpshot.
3. Lacks great change of direction skills in a confined space.
4. Lacks intensity on defense.
5. He's not an elite athlete.


His jumpshot looked improved in China and I think he's an above average athelete. Not on John wall or drose level but he makes up for it with strength.i agree about his defense but I don't think he even tries at all. He does need a lot of space to operate and he should have plenty in the NBA with the high pick n roll.


He's an above average athlete. Are you seeing that with his play in China? Not really.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:17 pm    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.


I am not down on him, I just don't think he is anything special. I think he will be a good draft pick, but a bad top 4 draft pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:33 pm    Post subject:

Mudiay looks like his draft stock would be the one falling the most if he was playing college basketball right now. Almost worse than Oubre's had from lack of minutes. But Oubre bounced back nicely.


Mudiay however would be who he is regardless of minutes.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject:

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Mudiay looks like his draft stock would be the one falling the most if he was playing college basketball right now. Almost worse than Oubre's had from lack of minutes. But Oubre bounced back nicely.


Mudiay however would be who he is regardless of minutes.


Elite size at PG.
Very good ball-handling.

Sub average jumpshot.
Average finisher.
Turnover prone (IQ based)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:43 am    Post subject:

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Mudiay looks like his draft stock would be the one falling the most if he was playing college basketball right now. Almost worse than Oubre's had from lack of minutes. But Oubre bounced back nicely.


Mudiay however would be who he is regardless of minutes.


Elite size at PG.
Very good ball-handling.

Sub average jumpshot.
Average finisher.
Turnover prone (IQ based)


Yes, and when you have trouble finishing in the foreign league that doesn't promote defense in any way, shape or form it's not a good thing at all. I'd honestly think his stock would drop out of top 5 if he was playing in college this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:40 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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MJST wrote:
Mudiay looks like his draft stock would be the one falling the most if he was playing college basketball right now. Almost worse than Oubre's had from lack of minutes. But Oubre bounced back nicely.


Mudiay however would be who he is regardless of minutes.


Elite size at PG.
Very good ball-handling.

Sub average jumpshot.
Average finisher.
Turnover prone (IQ based)


Yes, and when you have trouble finishing in the foreign league that doesn't promote defense in any way, shape or form it's not a good thing at all. I'd honestly think his stock would drop out of top 5 if he was playing in college this year.


Exactly why I wouldn't draft him.

What's the difference between him and Myck Kabongo?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.
Agree, Mudiay is legit. Has all the tools to be a great player in the league. He looks like a better prospect then Smart and Exum to me. I wouldn't draft him over Okafor or Johnson but he's still a top 5 prospect.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
MJST wrote:
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Mudiay looks like his draft stock would be the one falling the most if he was playing college basketball right now. Almost worse than Oubre's had from lack of minutes. But Oubre bounced back nicely.


Mudiay however would be who he is regardless of minutes.


Elite size at PG.
Very good ball-handling.

Sub average jumpshot.
Average finisher.
Turnover prone (IQ based)


Yes, and when you have trouble finishing in the foreign league that doesn't promote defense in any way, shape or form it's not a good thing at all. I'd honestly think his stock would drop out of top 5 if he was playing in college this year.


Exactly why I wouldn't draft him.

What's the difference between him and Myck Kabongo?


height..and that's about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:38 pm    Post subject:

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Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.
Agree, Mudiay is legit. Has all the tools to be a great player in the league. He looks like a better prospect then Smart and Exum to me. I wouldn't draft him over Okafor or Johnson but he's still a top 5 prospect.



That's what I think. okafor and Johnson should be the safe picks in this draft. Mudiay shouldn't fall outside of he too 5
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:41 pm    Post subject:

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Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.
Agree, Mudiay is legit. Has all the tools to be a great player in the league. He looks like a better prospect then Smart and Exum to me. I wouldn't draft him over Okafor or Johnson but he's still a top 5 prospect.



That's what I think. okafor and Johnson should be the safe picks in this draft. Mudiay shouldn't fall outside of he too 5
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:49 pm    Post subject:

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Stanley will bump a defender and use an occasional spin move.

It's weird really. I don't see Stanley as a dynamically skilled player. People got on Wiggins last year for lacking ball-skills. Stanley has less than that.

Nor does he jump as high or have the same hands or wingspan.

What he does have is an incredible physique and motor.

But, I don't see any "power wings" doing well in the NBA. The best case was Gerald Wallace, but his first step was devastating and he exploded above the rim, nevermind his propensity to grab offensive rebounds.

Maybe that's a best case scenario, but even then, I still don't see it.

What's worse, is knowing that Winslow doesn't have as much perceived upside as Stanley. Stanley is absolutely raw and yet, filling up a stat sheet. Winslow can pass a bit, spot up behind the arc, and be a doberman. Two-way role player because of his lack of ball-skill. He too has a great motor, just not on the same level as Stanley.

Frankly, if I had a top 3 pick, I'd stay away from both. This is a bigman draft first.


Stanley is still developing and evolving as a player. His transition to being a wing really began between his junior and senior year of high school. He was primarily a post player through his sophomore year at Mater Dei. Although his outside shooting spiked as a junior he was still much needed in the paint.

My main difference between Johnson and Winslow (who are actually close friends) is that Stanley is a prospect with a high ceiling and a high floor. In comparison, Justise has a high ceiling but a low floor.

Stanley is more fundamentally sound and does a lot of things very well. He is coachable and has the skill set for a team to mold him into the type of player that they need him to be.

I easily see him developing into a valuable hybrid forward. A projection (or hybrid) of a player like Paul Millsap, Tobias Harris or Draymond Green is very fair right now.
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Stanley is still developing and evolving as a player. His transition to being a wing really began between his junior and senior year of high school. He was primarily a post player through his sophomore year at Mater Dei. Although his outside shooting spiked as a junior he was still much needed in the paint
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That's part of the problem. That's also why I'm not a fan of Coach McKnight. The earlier the guard skills are learned, the better.

Why do you think Katin Reinhardt is struggling to find his place in Div I NCAA ball?

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Stanley is a prospect with a high ceiling and a high floor. In comparison, Justise has a high ceiling but a low floor.

Stanley is more fundamentally sound and does a lot of things very well. He is coachable and has the skill set for a team to mold him into the type of player that they need him to be.


Those are opinions. How is he more fundamentally sound? If you want to talk about hoop IQ and turnovers, A:TO ratio is a huge indicator of success at the NBA level.

Winslow has that. Stanley does not.

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A projection (or hybrid) of a player like Paul Millsap, Tobias Harris or Draymond Green is very fair right now.


That's not a good sign for someone who is considered a Top 10 pick.

I don't see him in any of those molds. He's a bigger Gerald Wallace. Not as quick. Not as fast. Not as explosive. Just stronger. Difference? Better jumpshot.

Then I see Justise Winslow with an above average A:TO ratio, getting nearly 3 assists a game beside PG heavy/ball-dominant Tyus Jones and Cook.

That's a HUGE indicator of hoop IQ. All Winslow needs is a more consistent jumpshot, which is the easiest thing to fix in the NBA.

Hoop IQ? A:TO ratio? FAR FAR more difficult to fix.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:13 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Wow, I really don't understand why so many people are down on my man mudiay. He's not as explosive an athelete as rose, wall, or Westbrook but he's a lot stronger than them. I think he makes up for the lack of speed and first step because of his strength and that keeps him in the elite athelete category. I think that people will change their minds about him after the combine.


1. He's playing in China against inferior competition.
2. No jumpshot.
3. Lacks great change of direction skills in a confined space.
4. Lacks intensity on defense.
5. He's not an elite athlete.


His jumpshot looked improved in China and I think he's an above average athelete. Not on John wall or drose level but he makes up for it with strength.i agree about his defense but I don't think he even tries at all. He does need a lot of space to operate and he should have plenty in the NBA with the high pick n roll.


He's an above average athlete. Are you seeing that with his play in China? Not really.


Have you seen his games against the Flying Tigers, Long Lions, and Sturgeons?

We're being harsh for pointing out that the algae in their rivers is harder to cut thru than their D in the paint. They're all suffering from black lung over there. It's a miracle they can even find their way to the arena in that smog.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:27 am    Post subject:

I have Johnson higher in my list. Winslow does a lot things well, but to me, strikes as a jack of all trades, master of none. The shooting upside is kind of tempered by poor free throw shooting for now, his rebounding is decent, passing is decent, decent steals+blocks, decent DRPM...but nothing is super stand out-ish. His 2-point percentage is also quite eh at this stage. I like to have something that's super defined out of a player, and while Winslow can get there, he's not at that stage yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:40 am    Post subject:

Hezonja and Oubre are my top two wings now!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:40 am    Post subject:

Oubre has improved a ton over the last months and he's always been high on my board, but no way would I draft him before Johnson. Johnson can do everything Oubre can at 6'8 245 lbs, the guy is a physical specimen. They actually played against each other.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:21 am    Post subject:

Strength is not a huge deal at the PG position. And definitely no guarantee that you can get to the basket.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:13 am    Post subject:

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Oubre has improved a ton over the last months and he's always been high on my board, but no way would I draft him before Johnson. Johnson can do everything Oubre can at 6'8 245 lbs, the guy is a physical specimen. They actually played against each other.



I don't think Stanley Johnson can shoot very well.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:30 pm    Post subject:

If we don't take Winslow, we're going to regret it. That guy is a hell of a player.
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