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AirShooter Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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kray28_ wrote: | I'm sure if the team we're trading him to agrees to pick up his second year, he'll waive his NTC. |
No way, that makes zero sense.
Why would he waive his trade veto for the promise of the other team picking up the trade option in the future (a promise that they can renege on), instead of forcing the Lakers to pick up the team option prior to trading him (so that he's guaranteed the 2nd year and no possibility of the other team wiggling out of a promise)?
If the team that is trading for him is willing to pick up the 2nd year, then they can just instruct the Lakers to do it prior to trading Hill to them. If the option is picked up, then the Lakers bypass any needed to seek Hill's consent.
Hill's trade veto is an artifact of the contract structure being a 1yr contract that ends in bird rights (not an explicit No Trade Clause written into the contract). If the Lakers pick up the 2nd year option, then the trade veto disappears because the contract is now a 2yr contract instead of 1 yr.
Thus, there is zero reason for Hill to agree to waive his trade veto. Just force the Lakers to pick up the option prior to trading him, instead of waiving the veto and being at the mercy of a team that may renege on a future promise. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144432 Location: The Gold Coast
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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LakeShow06 wrote: | Spoolxx wrote: | Apparently averaging 12/8 while playing no defense is considered "All-Star level" now. |
The agenda on this board that Hill plays no defense really irritates me. Why don't you re-watch the last Spurs game for example and how he repeatedly denied Duncan or forced him into bad shots to the point where JVG in particular was giving him props for his defense. Duncan scored mainly on others.
man this crap annoys me |
He is weak at team defense. If he is available after the season, I would have no problem offering him a 3 year, $10-12 mil contract. I think that is what his value is. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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AirShooter wrote: | kray28_ wrote: | I'm sure if the team we're trading him to agrees to pick up his second year, he'll waive his NTC. |
No way, that makes zero sense.
Why would he waive his trade veto for the promise of the other team picking up the trade option in the future (a promise that they can renege on), instead of forcing the Lakers to pick up the team option prior to trading him (so that he's guaranteed the 2nd year and no possibility of the other team wiggling out of a promise)?
If the team that is trading for him is willing to pick up the 2nd year, then they can just instruct the Lakers to do it prior to trading Hill to them. If the option is picked up, then the Lakers bypass any needed to seek Hill's consent.
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You pretty much said the same thing that kray said. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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LakeShow06 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | LakeShow06 wrote: | Spoolxx wrote: | Apparently averaging 12/8 while playing no defense is considered "All-Star level" now. |
The agenda on this board that Hill plays no defense really irritates me. Why don't you re-watch the last Spurs game for example and how he repeatedly denied Duncan or forced him into bad shots to the point where JVG in particular was giving him props for his defense. Duncan scored mainly on others.
man this crap annoys me |
He is weak at team defense. If he is available after the season, I would have no problem offering him a 3 year, $10-12 mil contract. I think that is what his value is. |
That may be a fairer comment, however, to single 1 player out in terms of defense on this team is a stretch. _________________ "We might have had the worst season ever or could have the worst season ever for a Lakers team, but now let's have the greatest comeback that the league has ever seen." - Kobe Bryant |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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It was the same on any team he has played on. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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BRICK Sixth Man
Joined: 19 Dec 2014 Posts: 69
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/preview?id=400578684
I wouldn't spread the false hope, if they were going to join.. they would have already.
OKC westbrook, beast roleplayers for kobe and ??? No thanks.
CLE Kyrie and Love for kobe and ??? No thanks.
The video explains it all, no max player is going to come to play alongside kobe and that ridiculous contract. |
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Don Draper Retired Number
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 28422 Location: LA --> Bay Area
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Jhill is good for an NBA C/PF, but that's not saying much in a league where Dwight is the consensus #1 center.
So while he may technically have a market value around ~8 million based on his size, you can get more impact for that money signing a smaller guy.
Like, I'd rather get Curry for the max than Howard. I'd rather get Rjax for Jhill's money than Jhill. |
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AirShooter Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | AirShooter wrote: | kray28_ wrote: | I'm sure if the team we're trading him to agrees to pick up his second year, he'll waive his NTC. |
No way, that makes zero sense.
Why would he waive his trade veto for the promise of the other team picking up the trade option in the future (a promise that they can renege on), instead of forcing the Lakers to pick up the team option prior to trading him (so that he's guaranteed the 2nd year and no possibility of the other team wiggling out of a promise)?
If the team that is trading for him is willing to pick up the 2nd year, then they can just instruct the Lakers to do it prior to trading Hill to them. If the option is picked up, then the Lakers bypass any needed to seek Hill's consent.
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You pretty much said the same thing that kray said. |
No, Kray is saying that Hill would waive his trade veto in exchange for the other team promising to pick up his 2nd yr option.
I'm saying Hill would NOT waive his trade veto (unless his agent is brain dead), and hold firm to his trade veto, regardless of whether the other team is promising to pick up the 2nd year option or not. That way, you force the Lakers to remove the trade veto power from him by picking up the 2nd year option.
Kray is under the mistaken impression that Hill has a NTC. Hill doesn't have an NTC. The trade veto that Hill possesses is an artifact of the CBA, not from an explicit NTC.
Unless Hill's agent is incompetent, there is no way he will waive that trade veto no matter what promises are made. Pressure the Lakers to forcibly remove that veto power from Hill. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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I am saying it doesn't matter who guarantees Hill's option, the result is exactly the same. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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LeBron, Durant, and Hill should never be in the same sentence. |
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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hill is in his prime now. That's not going to help us in a few years when we are ready to win again. I'd trade hill for future draft picks in a hurry while his value is high |
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paulsung123 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I like Hill, but he is nothing more than a good role player. He is not playing at an all-star level. His current averages of 12 pts, 8 rebs, 1 blk isn't even close for the west (nor the east...)
We overpaid him this year with the intention to either trade him or get his huge salary off our cap next year.
Hope we can trade the guy while his value is high before he inevitably injures himself. _________________ ... I don't think that's Jack in those pictures ... |
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LakerLand247 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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The Laker FO is at it again, over valuing their players until they get zero in return. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Or maybe they know that they can't trade Hill now? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Shaber Star Player
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 3731 Location: The other side
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:03 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | He is weak at team defense. |
Lakers don't have team defense.
You can not put that on him. If you want to see his negatives - he is weak shot blocker. And a bit too small for a C.
But don't blame him for letting down the system while we have none. _________________ .
Lakers depth chart
PG Johnson / Goodrich
SG Bryant / West / Scott
SF Baylor / Worthy / Cooper
PF Mikkelsen / Hairston / McAdoo / Gasol
C Chamberlain / Abdul-Jabbar / O'Neal / Mikan |
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I am on the opposite side of this one, I would trade Hill the first chance I get, even for second rounders even though ideally a late first would be great. Helps our tank and we get some more future assets, we need to put more water in this boat not less! |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:00 am Post subject: |
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s_habe wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | He is weak at team defense. |
Lakers don't have team defense.
You can not put that on him. If you want to see his negatives - he is weak shot blocker. And a bit too small for a C.
But don't blame him for letting down the system while we have none. |
He has always been a weak team defender. That is why MDA didn't play him. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:02 am Post subject: |
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av3773 wrote: | I am on the opposite side of this one, I would trade Hill the first chance I get, even for second rounders even though ideally a late first would be great. Helps our tank and we get some more future assets, we need to put more water in this boat not less! |
Now would be a good time to trade him for picks. |
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GonzagaAlum Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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The center position is VERY deep next off season. If you get a first... you take it and count your lucky stars if you're the Lakers.
Monroe and Dragic is my hope for next off season on the Lakers.
Dragic
Nick Young
Kobe
Randle
Monroe _________________ How can I get a copy of a Laker game played on Sunday, March 11, 2001 Sonics/Lakers? If you know PM me please
I would be willing to pay you for it. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | s_habe wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | He is weak at team defense. |
Lakers don't have team defense.
You can not put that on him. If you want to see his negatives - he is weak shot blocker. And a bit too small for a C.
But don't blame him for letting down the system while we have none. |
He has always been a weak team defender. That is why MDA didn't play him. |
That is incorrect. MDA played him more than he had ever played before, despite not liking his inability to know the scheme and be where he was supposed to on the floor. But more importantly, as Eric has alluded to, his numbers would fall off after a brief period with higher minutes because he was drinking and not taking care of himself. This is the first year he has decided to take care of himself. But prior to that, his best seasons were under MDA. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Man, reading that makes me think I should quit drinking. Maybe I could up my posting here by 10-20 ppd.
Naw. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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J hill/houston 1st for Dennis Schroder/filler |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Jim99187 wrote: | J hill/houston 1st for Dennis Schroder/filler |
How much alcohol do we need to pour down the Hawk FO's throats? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Jim99187 wrote: | J hill/houston 1st for Dennis Schroder/filler |
How much alcohol do we need to pour down the Hawk FO's throats? |
they said 3 barrels to be exact..
just messing with u VLF, i knew you would respond? |
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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So now on top of the "learning a post game" and "getting a jumpshot" we need to add "give up alcohol" on the to do list for up and coming players? Awesome! He's right on the cusp of super stardom at the young age of 27. |
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