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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:14 pm    Post subject:

Grant is taking it right into okafors chest and finishing. At least 3 times finishing right in okafors face
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:14 pm    Post subject:

I want to be on the record as not completely sold on Okafor vs. post defense in the NBA. It's not a popular stance and i don't even feel up to arguing it. But i think NBA Centers will body him up pretty well, and he may not be super effective in the post. HA! I'm serious. I don't think he's imposing lower body wise for a NBA Center, and everyone knows him as 6'10. Not completely sold vs. NBA Centers, even though he has all the moves, no doubt. all the moves.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject:

Yeah not a great showing tonight.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject:

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Grant is taking it right into okafors chest and finishing. At least 3 times finishing right in okafors face


Now he's mid 1st rounder.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:22 pm    Post subject:

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Grant is taking it right into okafors chest and finishing. At least 3 times finishing right in okafors face


Now he's mid 1st rounder.

That's my dude.


Yeah I've been sleeping on him. Now, I'm hoping he drops to that houston pick or even into the second round like Clarkson. However this draft may not be as deep as last years to make that happen. He could be there at the Houston pick though and if that's the case lakers could grab a top bigman and guard in This draft.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:27 pm    Post subject:

Anyone see Oubre dropping to the Rockets pick with the way Self has been using him and his inconsistencies?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:12 am    Post subject:

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Anyone see Oubre dropping to the Rockets pick with the way Self has been using him and his inconsistencies?


I think if he's not projected lottery he goes back to school. Still, there's no chance he falls that far because his length is really a problem on defense and when he's hot he's can really light it up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:24 am    Post subject:

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Grant is taking it right into okafors chest and finishing. At least 3 times finishing right in okafors face


Now he's mid 1st rounder.

That's my dude.


Yup. I was hoping he'd stay under the radar but likely not. I hope teams are worried about his age and pass. But he's way out of Houston's pick IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:47 am    Post subject:

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Grant is taking it right into okafors chest and finishing. At least 3 times finishing right in okafors face


Now he's mid 1st rounder.

That's my dude.


Yup. I was hoping he'd stay under the radar but likely not. I hope teams are worried about his age and pass. But he's way out of Houston's pick IMO.


Looking at the names in the first round this year chances are we end up with a pretty good player with that Houston pick. Remember players rise and fall during March madness and the combine. Some players who don't make the tourney or don't perform well may just get lost in the mix like Clarkson or kelly did.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:40 pm    Post subject:

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Can't Okafor learn defense? He already has half the court at an NBA level.


Sure, but any player could theoretically learn whatever their weakness is. I could perhaps see him becoming a decent positional defender, but he's very floor bound defensively, and does a poor job of contesting. I think getting him to become an average NBA defensive big is going to be a tall order.


He seems to be less explosive than the other rim protectors in the draft and his P&R defense isn't very good, he often ends up trailing his man. He has a quick jump which is a big advantage on offense but not defense. One situation you know when you are going, the other you have to react to someone else.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:43 pm    Post subject:

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Towns is a 5 PnP, he's just young. He'll develop that lower base strength


If he really does I wouldn't mind taking him with out first pick. I'm watching the Norte dame vs duke game right now and I can see why a few people on here are so high on grant. He's a gamer


Strength is the easiest thing for a young player to develop. Good workouts and a good diet. My son put on 50 pounds from age 14-16 just working out, he didn't grow an inch. Once he learned the proper nutrition, the weight just came.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:44 pm    Post subject:

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Grant is taking it right into okafors chest and finishing. At least 3 times finishing right in okafors face


Now he's mid 1st rounder.

That's my dude.


Yep, I started watching for him after reading the things you were posting.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:44 pm    Post subject:

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Can't Okafor learn defense? He already has half the court at an NBA level.


Sure, but any player could theoretically learn whatever their weakness is. I could perhaps see him becoming a decent positional defender, but he's very floor bound defensively, and does a poor job of contesting. I think getting him to become an average NBA defensive big is going to be a tall order.


He seems to be less explosive than the other rim protectors in the draft and his P&R defense isn't very good, he often ends up trailing his man. He has a quick jump which is a big advantage on offense but not defense. One situation you know when you are going, the other you have to react to someone else.


He has wingspan, hands, and is a quick jumper.

Even Marc Gasol made DPOY.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:48 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject:

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GoldenThroat wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Can't Okafor learn defense? He already has half the court at an NBA level.


Sure, but any player could theoretically learn whatever their weakness is. I could perhaps see him becoming a decent positional defender, but he's very floor bound defensively, and does a poor job of contesting. I think getting him to become an average NBA defensive big is going to be a tall order.


He seems to be less explosive than the other rim protectors in the draft and his P&R defense isn't very good, he often ends up trailing his man. He has a quick jump which is a big advantage on offense but not defense. One situation you know when you are going, the other you have to react to someone else.


He has wingspan, hands, and is a quick jumper.

Even Marc Gasol made DPOY.


And with Marc it was because of anticipation, footwork and positioning. There is no reason that Okafor cannot learn the same things.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:30 pm    Post subject:

Randle to WCS could be deadly. A couple lobs in the halfcourt per game like Blake/Deandre --- but also Randle leading the fastbreak and WCS running the wing
Also, Clarkson leading the break and WCS filling the wing.

Randle by himself has the potential to be unstoppable coast to coast; get WCS running next to him? wooh
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venturalakersfan wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Can't Okafor learn defense? He already has half the court at an NBA level.


Sure, but any player could theoretically learn whatever their weakness is. I could perhaps see him becoming a decent positional defender, but he's very floor bound defensively, and does a poor job of contesting. I think getting him to become an average NBA defensive big is going to be a tall order.


He seems to be less explosive than the other rim protectors in the draft and his P&R defense isn't very good, he often ends up trailing his man. He has a quick jump which is a big advantage on offense but not defense. One situation you know when you are going, the other you have to react to someone else.


He has wingspan, hands, and is a quick jumper.

Even Marc Gasol made DPOY.


And with Marc it was because of anticipation, footwork and positioning. There is no reason that Okafor cannot learn the same things.


Did Al Jefferson?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:19 pm    Post subject:

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Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson
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Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:53 pm    Post subject:

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Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson


Okafor's standing reach is between 0.5" - 1" more than Jefferson' at the same age, and he has some of the biggest hands in the NBA. (9.5") And if he gets up the court quicker than Jefferson did at that age, it's not by much. The physical comparisons between the two are actually very close.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:41 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
lkjhf wrote:
MJST wrote:
Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson


Okafor's standing reach is between 0.5" - 1" more than Jefferson' at the same age, and he has some of the biggest hands in the NBA. (9.5") And if he gets up the court quicker than Jefferson did at that age, it's not by much. The physical comparisons between the two are actually very close.


Which is why I am a little worried about taking Okafor. A 6'10 center that isnt very good a defense. I would rather WCS but idk if its justifed taking a Tyson Chandler clone that high in the draft.
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Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson


Okafor's standing reach is between 0.5" - 1" more than Jefferson' at the same age, and he has some of the biggest hands in the NBA. (9.5") And if he gets up the court quicker than Jefferson did at that age, it's not by much. The physical comparisons between the two are actually very close.


Which is why I am a little worried about taking Okafor. A 6'10 center that isnt very good a defense. I would rather WCS but idk if its justifed taking a Tyson Chandler clone that high in the draft.


Nbadraft.net has us taking Russell and Kamenski in the first round. That would be the ideal draft for me!! Maybe grab Anderson in the second round?
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Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson


Okafor's standing reach is between 0.5" - 1" more than Jefferson' at the same age, and he has some of the biggest hands in the NBA. (9.5") And if he gets up the court quicker than Jefferson did at that age, it's not by much. The physical comparisons between the two are actually very close.


Which is why I am a little worried about taking Okafor. A 6'10 center that isnt very good a defense. I would rather WCS but idk if its justifed taking a Tyson Chandler clone that high in the draft.


Nbadraft.net has us taking Russell and Kamenski in the first round. That would be the ideal draft for me!! Maybe grab Anderson in the second round?



Kaminsky and Russell would be fantastic for the offense we're running.

I honestly would love to land LeVert at the Houston pick. but if LeVert is gone by then than definitely Kaminsky would be the guy I'd go after.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:50 am    Post subject:

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lkjhf wrote:
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Did Al Jefferson?


the jefferson comp is lazy. jefferson is trash. he's a fat turd and his career high TS% was barely like 55% in his rookie season. he's a black hole and a chucker offensively. okafor is actually efficient offensively and has great physical tools. he's in good shape, gets off the floor very quickly(the single duncan comp in terms of athleticism that actually fits), giants hands, huge wingspan, great standing reach, etc. okafor could be an uncoachable druggie and he wouldnt turn out as lame as jefferson


Okafor's standing reach is between 0.5" - 1" more than Jefferson' at the same age, and he has some of the biggest hands in the NBA. (9.5") And if he gets up the court quicker than Jefferson did at that age, it's not by much. The physical comparisons between the two are actually very close.


From the highlights I've seen, I like the Al Jefferson comparison. That's no knock on Okafor. I love big Al. He's one of the toughest covers in the league. Maybe Okafor has more potential as a roll man. If Okafor lands somewhere between Al and Cousins, then it's a really solid pick. (Not Tim Duncan though- people are sleeping on how quick and athletic Tim actually was in college.) My top choice though is still Russell at the moment, and I need to see some more Towns.
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