Tidbit: Pau leads the league in double-doubles this year and has more than last year, 42 - 30, though he has played the same number of games. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
OregonLakerGuy wrote:
BennyLava wrote:
The biggest mistake that was made was not trading Pau sooner when we could have gotten something good in return. Instead we did nothing and let him go for nothing.
You mean trading him again.
yep.
Pau deserved better.
Think Pop or SAN didn't get great offers for Parker in the 2007-2010 era? I'm sure they did?
I'm sure that if the coaching staff weren't being changed that move doesn't happen.
For Pau it was like being fired and having to go back to work again. For Lamar too.
I said it then, and I say it now. That was one of the worst decisions Lakers ever made. I wasn't against a smart Lamar Odom trade, but dealing Pau was strike 1 in my faith in this FO regime bringing another championship to the. Lakers. See how many rings the Clippers are winning, guys?
People thought I was too attached to Pau as a Laker or something like that. All it was - the chemistry and winning formula Pau and Kobe had shown. It's rare you can find a 1-2 punch that works that well. We made a big mistake. Chris Paul is very overrated in my book, even though he's a fantastic player.
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:13 pm Post subject:
rwongega wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
OregonLakerGuy wrote:
BennyLava wrote:
The biggest mistake that was made was not trading Pau sooner when we could have gotten something good in return. Instead we did nothing and let him go for nothing.
You mean trading him again.
yep.
Pau deserved better.
Think Pop or SAN didn't get great offers for Parker in the 2007-2010 era? I'm sure they did?
I'm sure that if the coaching staff weren't being changed that move doesn't happen.
For Pau it was like being fired and having to go back to work again. For Lamar too.
I said it then, and I say it now. That was one of the worst decisions Lakers ever made. I wasn't against a smart Lamar Odom trade, but dealing Pau was strike 1 in my faith in this FO regime bringing another championship to the. Lakers. See how many rings the Clippers are winning, guys?
People thought I was too attached to Pau as a Laker or something like that. All it was - the chemistry and winning formula Pau and Kobe had shown. It's rare you can find a 1-2 punch that works that well. We made a big mistake. Chris Paul is very overrated in my book, even though he's a fantastic player.
Indeed. Good PG's are found by the truckload these days. Good PF/C's are rare in this league. That makes them a valuable commodity.
We had just been swept out of the playoffs, and Pau wasn't getting any younger. Odom would have been replaced by David West, who is just as good and probably better, so the trade was effectively Pau for Chris Paul. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:18 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
Tidbit: Pau leads the league in double-doubles this year and has more than last year, 42 - 30, though he has played the same number of games.
It's amazing the difference Thibs makes.
With MDA coaching Pau, lakerland kept calling the Spainard washed up. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
He had a good game, but he almost blew it in the fourth by being too passive Brooks saved that game for the Bulls. Pau finally engaged in OT. Bulls are reeling. They're missing Rose, Noah, Butler, and Gibson. Four of their best five players are out right now. Crazy.
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject:
mhan00 wrote:
focus wrote:
Dang Pau, 27 and 16, not bad amigo.
He had a good game, but he almost blew it in the fourth by being too passive Brooks saved that game for the Bulls. Pau finally engaged in OT. Bulls are reeling. They're missing Rose, Noah, Butler, and Gibson. Four of their best five players are out right now. Crazy.
I don't think he was passive, I think he was legit tired. Half the team is on the damn bench it's truly ridiculous.
He had a good game, but he almost blew it in the fourth by being too passive Brooks saved that game for the Bulls. Pau finally engaged in OT. Bulls are reeling. They're missing Rose, Noah, Butler, and Gibson. Four of their best five players are out right now. Crazy.
I don't think he was passive, I think he was legit tired. Half the team is on the damn bench it's truly ridiculous.
You're probably right. Thibs has been leaning on Pau more and more as each player goes down. Fingers crossed Pau stays healthy.
The biggest mistake that was made was not trading Pau sooner when we could have gotten something good in return. Instead we did nothing and let him go for nothing.
You mean trading him again.
yep.
Pau deserved better.
Think Pop or SAN didn't get great offers for Parker in the 2007-2010 era? I'm sure they did?
I'm sure that if the coaching staff weren't being changed that move doesn't happen.
For Pau it was like being fired and having to go back to work again. For Lamar too.
I said it then, and I say it now. That was one of the worst decisions Lakers ever made. I wasn't against a smart Lamar Odom trade, but dealing Pau was strike 1 in my faith in this FO regime bringing another championship to the. Lakers. See how many rings the Clippers are winning, guys?
People thought I was too attached to Pau as a Laker or something like that. All it was - the chemistry and winning formula Pau and Kobe had shown. It's rare you can find a 1-2 punch that works that well. We made a big mistake. Chris Paul is very overrated in my book, even though he's a fantastic player.
Indeed. Good PG's are found by the truckload these days. Good PF/C's are rare in this league. That makes them a valuable commodity.
We had just been swept out of the playoffs, and Pau wasn't getting any younger. Odom would have been replaced by David West, who is just as good and probably better, so the trade was effectively Pau for Chris Paul.
Yep. You don't pay for past performance, and Pau wasn't a championship caliber 2nd option by the time we traded him. I also think that Chris Paul is overrated, but you trade Pau & Lamar for him 10 times out of 10 if you can. The Clippers not winning championships is a very poor point that doesn't hold water. It's not like we were winning championships with Pau.
The biggest mistake that was made was not trading Pau sooner when we could have gotten something good in return. Instead we did nothing and let him go for nothing.
You mean trading him again.
yep.
Pau deserved better.
Think Pop or SAN didn't get great offers for Parker in the 2007-2010 era? I'm sure they did?
I'm sure that if the coaching staff weren't being changed that move doesn't happen.
For Pau it was like being fired and having to go back to work again. For Lamar too.
I said it then, and I say it now. That was one of the worst decisions Lakers ever made. I wasn't against a smart Lamar Odom trade, but dealing Pau was strike 1 in my faith in this FO regime bringing another championship to the. Lakers. See how many rings the Clippers are winning, guys?
People thought I was too attached to Pau as a Laker or something like that. All it was - the chemistry and winning formula Pau and Kobe had shown. It's rare you can find a 1-2 punch that works that well. We made a big mistake. Chris Paul is very overrated in my book, even though he's a fantastic player.
Indeed. Good PG's are found by the truckload these days. Good PF/C's are rare in this league. That makes them a valuable commodity.
We had just been swept out of the playoffs, and Pau wasn't getting any younger. Odom would have been replaced by David West, who is just as good and probably better, so the trade was effectively Pau for Chris Paul.
Yeah, and there's something called loyalty, team chemistry and giving guys who win rings for you more than 1 playoff defeat in a season where Bryant had played on 1 healthy leg and their HC was dealing with cancer.
I'm not promising that Gasol/Kobe would have gone on to win rings but we'd be where the Spurs were before they had this resurgence. BTW, trading Odom at some point was a given.
In the end you should value players who go the extra mile for you. What Pau did for the franchise in 2008-2010 was worth more than being dealt away 1 season after that triumph over Boston.
Chris Paul is a very good player but I disagree he was worth all that. Note, when I talked about this way back then and I talk about it now, I'm always considering more than the basic talent swap of Gasol vs Paul. It's far far more than that. The Gasol we had up to that point (Phil Jackson slapping him and all) was the guy that made everything work within the flow and balance of the team.
All that said, the biggest hit came from Stern because not only did the Lakers never get the same Pau Gasol that the current Bulls are getting, they didn't land an all-star PG in his prime as well. It's not lost on me what type of (bleep) Stern was and how much the veto hurt.
Chris Paul is a very good player but I disagree he was worth all that. Note, when I talked about this way back then and I talk about it now, I'm always considering more than the basic talent swap of Gasol vs Paul. It's far far more than that. The Gasol we had up to that point (Phil Jackson slapping him and all) was the guy that made everything work within the flow and balance of the team.
All that said, the biggest hit came from Stern because not only did the Lakers never get the same Pau Gasol that the current Bulls are getting, they didn't land an all-star PG in his prime as well. It's not lost on me what type of (bleep) Stern was and how much the veto hurt.
This. 1000x this.
I didn't actually see the Dallas playoff series the year before, but 2011 playoffs was just not what we saw before. Maybe FO thought this was the beginning of him losing it. Obviously premature in retrospect. But Stern had a long long term effect on us.
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