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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:43 pm    Post subject:

Another Phil disciple bites the dust. I wonder why all his assistants sucks so much.

Rambis was putrid because he didn't know talent. thought Darko was better than Jefferson. Either went along or didn't talk his GM out of Flynn over Curry. Got Wes instead of Cousins (I knew he didn't want Cousins)

Fish has a tough task but still, his record sucks but he's still there.

Shaw done.

Only Phil disciple in name is Kerr but he was much more, having picked up a few things under Pop. At least Kerr wasn't tainted actually working under Phil.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:56 pm    Post subject:

^A lot of his assistants coached really terrible teams. That may not explain everything but it explains a lot. There is a reason why Kerr wanted to coach the Warriors instead of the Knicks. Does anybody think he would be winning in New York this year? Have him trade teams with Fisher and we know who would get more wins.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Shaw got the shaft. He inherited a 36 46 team a very young team.

I don't excuse him. His teams mantra 1 2 3 - 6 weeks tells a lot about his ability to lead men.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:19 pm    Post subject:

^^^^^
What? Karl won 57 games the year before with pretty much the same team!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:40 pm    Post subject:

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Shaw got the shaft. He inherited a 36 46 team a very young team.

I don't excuse him. His teams mantra 1 2 3 - 6 weeks tells a lot about his ability to lead men.


Dude he COACHED that 36-46 team. They won 57 wins the year prior.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:26 pm    Post subject:

DimesnD wrote:


Only Phil disciple in name is Kerr but he was much more, having picked up a few things under Pop. At least Kerr wasn't tainted actually working under Phil.


If anything, i would say Kerr is more of pop disciple instead.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:35 pm    Post subject:

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Only Phil disciple in name is Kerr but he was much more, having picked up a few things under Pop. At least Kerr wasn't tainted actually working under Phil.


If anything, i would say Kerr is more of pop disciple instead.


Yeah, he's definitely not running the tri.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:14 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
Shaw got the shaft. He inherited a 36 46 team a very young team.

I don't excuse him. His teams mantra 1 2 3 - 6 weeks tells a lot about his ability to lead men.


Wrong.
Shaw inherited a team in which George Karl got the NBA coach of the year award, overachieved and won 57 games...they thought they could do better with Shaw and lead them further in the playoffs...instead its been a disaster of epic proportions. Failing to make the playoffs last year, with a 36-46 record and a 21-39 record this year. It was obviously the wrong move by the Denver front office to can Coach Karl.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:20 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
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not his fault bad team


That team with largely the same core won 57 games before Shaw got his grubby paws on it.


No Andre Iguodala...........lets face it George Karl maximized the talent of that bunch.


Andre "7.6 PPG" Iguodala.


Iggy wasn't averaging 7.6 while playing in Denver....
His PPG was 13.0 while in Denver.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:23 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Denver needs to run and gun. Faried in a half court setting is worthless.


Run and gun probably makes the most sense...
They are not going to get a championship caliber coach just because of the market they are in.
They play in a high attitude, so using a system where they can take advantage of tiring out their opponents in the thin mountain air makes a lot of sense.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:50 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
Shaw got the shaft. He inherited a 36 46 team a very young team.

I don't excuse him. His teams mantra 1 2 3 - 6 weeks tells a lot about his ability to lead men.


He inherited a 57 win team (although in his defense, I think the roster was weaker when he took over). He was never going to have that type of success in his first couple of years so in a way it was tougher for him. George Karl raised expectations in Denver which made it easier for people to be impatient with Shaw.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:12 am    Post subject:

Steve007 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Shaw got the shaft. He inherited a 36 46 team a very young team.

I don't excuse him. His teams mantra 1 2 3 - 6 weeks tells a lot about his ability to lead men.


He inherited a 57 win team (although in his defense, I think the roster was weaker when he took over). He was never going to have that type of success in his first couple of years so in a way it was tougher for him. George Karl raised expectations in Denver which made it easier for people to be impatient with Shaw.


I don't think losing Iggy would result in -21 wins the next season. Obviously there was a lot of things wrong with the team that caused their performance to drop off so much. Coaching was one of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:01 am    Post subject:

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jodeke wrote:
Shaw got the shaft. He inherited a 36 46 team a very young team.

I don't excuse him. His teams mantra 1 2 3 - 6 weeks tells a lot about his ability to lead men.


He inherited a 57 win team (although in his defense, I think the roster was weaker when he took over). He was never going to have that type of success in his first couple of years so in a way it was tougher for him. George Karl raised expectations in Denver which made it easier for people to be impatient with Shaw.


I don't think losing Iggy would result in -21 wins the next season. Obviously there was a lot of things wrong with the team that caused their performance to drop off so much. Coaching was one of them.


I don't either and the Nuggets are on track for an even worse season this year. You combine that with all the internal problems they're having and management saw no positive future sticking with Shaw.

I don't put it all on Shaw. Nuggets ownership can't seem to stand success. They built a good team under Kiki Vandeweghe, fired him, tore down the team he built, and started over. Then, Ujiri comes in rebuilds the team, wins EOY, bolts for Toronto and they proceed to dismantle that team and start over again.

Shaw may get another opportunity for the big chair but don't see it happening any time soon unless it's a situation where he becomes an interim head coach and finishes the season strong.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:11 am    Post subject:

lol and ppl actually wanted Shaw to coach the lakers
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:09 am    Post subject:

jonnybravo, lakersken80, Steve007

Dyslexia, I was looking at his record wrong. Shaw's ability to be a head coach took a big hit.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:27 am    Post subject:

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I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:42 am    Post subject:

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I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation


Yeah they do, although they apparently forget he wasn't on the bench for the 09 and 10 titles. It does call back the fun days here when a poster who hated Phil argued that the "late" John Bach deserved all the credit for the Bulls titles. Lowest_Merion I'm sure remembers.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:59 pm    Post subject:

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I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


It bodes well for him as a head coach if you regard winning and not developing others. It doesn't bode well for him in his current position, he needs to lead and develop his staff, and he hasn't shown he is capable of that.
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I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation


Yeah they do, although they apparently forget he wasn't on the bench for the 09 and 10 titles. It does call back the fun days here when a poster who hated Phil argued that the "late" John Bach deserved all the credit for the Bulls titles. Lowest_Merion I'm sure remembers.


3 letters, starts with an H?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:54 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
spflakers wrote:
defense wrote:
spflakers wrote:
I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation


Yeah they do, although they apparently forget he wasn't on the bench for the 09 and 10 titles. It does call back the fun days here when a poster who hated Phil argued that the "late" John Bach deserved all the credit for the Bulls titles. Lowest_Merion I'm sure remembers.


3 letters, starts with an H?


That's a good guess, I thought it was him too. H__ said that if the Lakers hired a defensive-genius type of coach (Tom, Mike Brown, Van Gundy), they would win a title. I won't forget the time when celebrated Mike Brown's hiring. It was some other poster.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:00 pm    Post subject:

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KG on DEN:"They quit on Brian Shaw, I thought they'd quit again. A quitter is a quitter.""


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:43 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
spflakers wrote:
defense wrote:
spflakers wrote:
I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation


Yeah they do, although they apparently forget he wasn't on the bench for the 09 and 10 titles. It does call back the fun days here when a poster who hated Phil argued that the "late" John Bach deserved all the credit for the Bulls titles. Lowest_Merion I'm sure remembers.


3 letters, starts with an H?


Yes. Yes it was.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:15 pm    Post subject:

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KG on DEN:"They quit on Brian Shaw, I thought they'd quit again. A quitter is a quitter.""




KG keep talking....we needed your crappy team to beat Denver and you guys couldn't do it....
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defense wrote:
spflakers wrote:
I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation


Completely unrelated. But have you met James Harden?
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spflakers wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
spflakers wrote:
defense wrote:
spflakers wrote:
I feel like it's a little notch in Phil Jackson's belt that he won all of those titles with assistants who were utter disasters when given head coaching gigs: Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw. Even poor Hamblen on the interim basis. It's not like he was Bill Walsh with a staff of Holmgren, Reid, Gruden, Denny Green, etc. It's a bit like how Belichick's assistants have been, for the most part, failures as head coaches. I think it shows the guy deserves a bit of credit that he doesn't always get because "Derp, anyone can win with Jordan/Shaq/Kobe."


Everyone says that Tex Winter was the brains behind the operation


Yeah they do, although they apparently forget he wasn't on the bench for the 09 and 10 titles. It does call back the fun days here when a poster who hated Phil argued that the "late" John Bach deserved all the credit for the Bulls titles. Lowest_Merion I'm sure remembers.


3 letters, starts with an H?


Yes. Yes it was.


HBA. What a POS that guy was.
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