Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:40 pm Post subject: NBA too tough for LeBron
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah" The specimen that so many have said is the GOAT is about as soft as a French Duke eating cheese in a hammock. That foul on him by THE BEARD was such a joke...it was such a gd flop you almost grimace at the sight of it.
Then comes the hug by Toronto's big man stopping James from dunking. Great foul, it was not a clothesline nor was it at all malicious. You want a clothes line, look at the 80's basketball teams. LeBron needs to take off his nappy cause he is filling it with BS excuses and just diminishing his overall respect. I hope he actually gets an 80's era foul so he can see what it feel like cause those last two F-1 fouls were jokes.
For a guy his size its embarrassing. Grow a pair Lebron cause you got nothing between your legs except maybe for THE BEARDS foot. _________________ This Laker Organization has not yet hit bottom. It is moving there quickly, and I suspect this year we will see zero talent coming to the Lakers and we will trade away Kuz and BI for old vets in the hopes of giving LeBronze some scapegoats.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
No. _________________ “It took many years of vomiting up all the filth I’d been taught about myself, and half-believed, before I was able to walk on the earth as though I had a right to be here.”
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah" The specimen that so many have said is the GOAT is about as soft as a French Duke eating cheese in a hammock. That foul on him by THE BEARD was such a joke...it was such a gd flop you almost grimace at the sight of it.
Then comes the hug by Toronto's big man stopping James from dunking. Great foul, it was not a clothesline nor was it at all malicious. You want a clothes line, look at the 80's basketball teams. LeBron needs to take off his nappy cause he is filling it with BS excuses and just diminishing his overall respect. I hope he actually gets an 80's era foul so he can see what it feel like cause those last two F-1 fouls were jokes.
For a guy his size its embarrassing. Grow a pair Lebron cause you got nothing between your legs except maybe for THE BEARDS foot.
It's a tragic shame you don't have the opportunity to tell him face-to-face because you seem like a pretty tough customer ...
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:27 pm Post subject:
I agree, getting kicked in the groin doesn't hurt at all. What a crybaby. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:24 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
You don't really see them ever complain about other players no, especially when you've been playing pretty agro yourself.
Jonas just looked like some unco bigman ended up around his shoulders by mistake (sure its a flagrant one for that), but those type of fouls have been like a daily occurrence for players like Dwight and Blake for years. _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:07 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
No.
Look at Kobe whining about getting breathed on.
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:51 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
jonnybravo wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
No.
Look at Kobe whining about getting breathed on.
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
I have to disagree ... and one video is really insufficient to explain taking the contrary position. I suspect that Tim Duncan momentarily forgot to whine about a call during some game years ago, a moment that was assuredly caught on tape. But it wouldn't be accurate to use that video evidence (following a play sequence that amounted to maybe 3 seconds of a nearly 3.5M second career) to argue that he hasn't spent that same career lobbying for calls.
I don't think I've ever seen another player caught on camera as often as Kobe "conspiratorially" talking to (not with) the officials going into commercial breaks (and between plays, during free throw attempts, leading into or out of timeouts, etc.) ... perhaps that's not "bug-eyed" behavior, but it definitely appears "whiny" since I have little confidence that he's asking how the wife and kids are these days (no, he's likely lobbying for calls) ...
Then there's the notorious slapping of his hands after almost every missed shot over the past few years, the glaring at officials, the chronic failing to get back on defense because of a perceived missed call at one end (and the complaining that goes along with that), the fact that Kobe's career FTA rate per minute played (R/S and playoffs combined) is right around 94% of the comparable rates for MJ and LeBron (despite having a game that relies on much fewer attempts close to the basket where contact is likely to occur, as many have pointed out here and elsewhere to explain his significantly lower FG %age relative to the others) ...
Below are some links to resources that undermine the argument that he hasn't forged a significant reputation as a whiner over the years ...
To me, the foul on LeBron the other night looked very similar to Raja's clothesline on Kobe ... the exception is Jonas attempted to help LeBron up, whereas Raja sauntered off with a smirk on his face ...
You have to take the bad with the good when it comes to Kobe (or anyone else, FTM) ... the good aspects have been spectacular; and it's OK that there have been some bad aspects, too. But I don't agree that we should sweep under the carpet everything that adds unfavorable contours to his career ... I think he's spent his entire career lobbying for calls; but as they say, if you ain't (sic) cheatin', you ain't tryin' ...
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:42 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
the association wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
No.
Look at Kobe whining about getting breathed on.
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
I have to disagree ... and one video is really insufficient to explain taking the contrary position. I suspect that Tim Duncan momentarily forgot to whine about a call during some game years ago, a moment that was assuredly caught on tape. But it wouldn't be accurate to use that video evidence (following a play sequence that amounted to maybe 3 seconds of a nearly 3.5M second career) to argue that he hasn't spent that same career lobbying for calls.
I don't think I've ever seen another player caught on camera as often as Kobe "conspiratorially" talking to (not with) the officials going into commercial breaks (and between plays, during free throw attempts, leading into or out of timeouts, etc.) ... perhaps that's not "bug-eyed" behavior, but it definitely appears "whiny" since I have little confidence that he's asking how the wife and kids are these days (no, he's likely lobbying for calls) ...
Then there's the notorious slapping of his hands after almost every missed shot over the past few years, the glaring at officials, the chronic failing to get back on defense because of a perceived missed call at one end (and the complaining that goes along with that), the fact that Kobe's career FTA rate per minute played (R/S and playoffs combined) is right around 94% of the comparable rates for MJ and LeBron (despite having a game that relies on much fewer attempts close to the basket where contact is likely to occur, as many have pointed out here and elsewhere to explain his significantly lower FG %age relative to the others) ...
Below are some links to resources that undermine the argument that he hasn't forged a significant reputation as a whiner over the years ...
To me, the foul on LeBron the other night looked very similar to Raja's clothesline on Kobe ... the exception is Jonas attempted to help LeBron up, whereas Raja sauntered off with a smirk on his face ...
You have to take the bad with the good when it comes to Kobe (or anyone else, FTM) ... the good aspects have been spectacular; and it's OK that there have been some bad aspects, too. But I don't agree that we should sweep under the carpet everything that adds unfavorable contours to his career ... I think he's spent his entire career lobbying for calls; but as they say, if you ain't (sic) cheatin', you ain't tryin' ...
Jesus. 3 bleacherreport links? And one link to an Atlantadailyworld (the (bleep) is that?) piece which villifies Kobe of all people for the intentional Dahntay Jones hit which would eventually precipitate his achilles injury? I know you dislike the guy, but christ, turn it down. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:53 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
C M B wrote:
the association wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
No.
Look at Kobe whining about getting breathed on.
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
I have to disagree ... and one video is really insufficient to explain taking the contrary position. I suspect that Tim Duncan momentarily forgot to whine about a call during some game years ago, a moment that was assuredly caught on tape. But it wouldn't be accurate to use that video evidence (following a play sequence that amounted to maybe 3 seconds of a nearly 3.5M second career) to argue that he hasn't spent that same career lobbying for calls.
I don't think I've ever seen another player caught on camera as often as Kobe "conspiratorially" talking to (not with) the officials going into commercial breaks (and between plays, during free throw attempts, leading into or out of timeouts, etc.) ... perhaps that's not "bug-eyed" behavior, but it definitely appears "whiny" since I have little confidence that he's asking how the wife and kids are these days (no, he's likely lobbying for calls) ...
Then there's the notorious slapping of his hands after almost every missed shot over the past few years, the glaring at officials, the chronic failing to get back on defense because of a perceived missed call at one end (and the complaining that goes along with that), the fact that Kobe's career FTA rate per minute played (R/S and playoffs combined) is right around 94% of the comparable rates for MJ and LeBron (despite having a game that relies on much fewer attempts close to the basket where contact is likely to occur, as many have pointed out here and elsewhere to explain his significantly lower FG %age relative to the others) ...
Below are some links to resources that undermine the argument that he hasn't forged a significant reputation as a whiner over the years ...
To me, the foul on LeBron the other night looked very similar to Raja's clothesline on Kobe ... the exception is Jonas attempted to help LeBron up, whereas Raja sauntered off with a smirk on his face ...
You have to take the bad with the good when it comes to Kobe (or anyone else, FTM) ... the good aspects have been spectacular; and it's OK that there have been some bad aspects, too. But I don't agree that we should sweep under the carpet everything that adds unfavorable contours to his career ... I think he's spent his entire career lobbying for calls; but as they say, if you ain't (sic) cheatin', you ain't tryin' ...
Jesus. 3 bleacherreport links? And one link to an Atlantadailyworld (the (bleep) is that?) piece which villifies Kobe of all people for the intentional Dahntay Jones hit which would eventually precipitate his achilles injury? I know you dislike the guy, but christ, turn it down.
Sorry, I was busy dismantling an echo chamber and missed your comment ... what were you saying again?
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:55 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
jonnybravo wrote:
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever.
Seriously? Okay, I don't think Kobe is one of the worst offenders when it comes to whining. But he spent a lot of time complaining and whining over nonsense. There were games -- a lot of games, in fact -- when it seemed like he was demanding a foul on every freaking shot attempt. They would run the replay, and there would be nothing there.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:03 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
the association wrote:
C M B wrote:
the association wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
No.
Look at Kobe whining about getting breathed on.
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
I have to disagree ... and one video is really insufficient to explain taking the contrary position. I suspect that Tim Duncan momentarily forgot to whine about a call during some game years ago, a moment that was assuredly caught on tape. But it wouldn't be accurate to use that video evidence (following a play sequence that amounted to maybe 3 seconds of a nearly 3.5M second career) to argue that he hasn't spent that same career lobbying for calls.
I don't think I've ever seen another player caught on camera as often as Kobe "conspiratorially" talking to (not with) the officials going into commercial breaks (and between plays, during free throw attempts, leading into or out of timeouts, etc.) ... perhaps that's not "bug-eyed" behavior, but it definitely appears "whiny" since I have little confidence that he's asking how the wife and kids are these days (no, he's likely lobbying for calls) ...
Then there's the notorious slapping of his hands after almost every missed shot over the past few years, the glaring at officials, the chronic failing to get back on defense because of a perceived missed call at one end (and the complaining that goes along with that), the fact that Kobe's career FTA rate per minute played (R/S and playoffs combined) is right around 94% of the comparable rates for MJ and LeBron (despite having a game that relies on much fewer attempts close to the basket where contact is likely to occur, as many have pointed out here and elsewhere to explain his significantly lower FG %age relative to the others) ...
Below are some links to resources that undermine the argument that he hasn't forged a significant reputation as a whiner over the years ...
To me, the foul on LeBron the other night looked very similar to Raja's clothesline on Kobe ... the exception is Jonas attempted to help LeBron up, whereas Raja sauntered off with a smirk on his face ...
You have to take the bad with the good when it comes to Kobe (or anyone else, FTM) ... the good aspects have been spectacular; and it's OK that there have been some bad aspects, too. But I don't agree that we should sweep under the carpet everything that adds unfavorable contours to his career ... I think he's spent his entire career lobbying for calls; but as they say, if you ain't (sic) cheatin', you ain't tryin' ...
Jesus. 3 bleacherreport links? And one link to an Atlantadailyworld (the (bleep) is that?) piece which villifies Kobe of all people for the intentional Dahntay Jones hit which would eventually precipitate his achilles injury? I know you dislike the guy, but christ, turn it down.
Sorry, I was busy dismantling an echo chamber and missed your comment ... what were you saying again?
Dismantled an echo chamber, have you? By citing some bleacherreport links and filling the rest of the post with blatant lies? By all means, go on. Let's flesh out the rest of Kobe's online reputation among non-Kobe fans. Here's another aspect you can corroborate with some other dodgy "evidence": Kobe's "reputation" as a rapist. You can find at least 6 other online postings which will confirm suspicions. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
I think there's a difference between whining/complaining (or in Kobe's case, raging) during the game and post-game. I don't recall Kobe complaining about "dirty plays" or fouls after games. Anyone else? Who has the post-game of Kobe after the Raja Bell clothesline? Pretty sure he said he loved it and said don't suspend him. Not "THAT WASN'T A BASKETBALL PLAY, WAAAAAAAAA."
The clothes line on Kobe vs the one by Lebron. Lets let everyone look at both and determine which one is more violent and more potentially career ending.
That is Kobe and he brushes it off at the end. NO fighting or jumping up to go after the other player. He just shrugs if off.
now look at where Lebron got wrapped up and where Kobe got wrapped up. I think you can safely say these are two different ways to stop a player with one having the intent of hurting while the other was more like a soft tackle. But please, feel free to say these are the same kind of contact and should be considered the same... _________________ This Laker Organization has not yet hit bottom. It is moving there quickly, and I suspect this year we will see zero talent coming to the Lakers and we will trade away Kuz and BI for old vets in the hopes of giving LeBronze some scapegoats.
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:59 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
You missed what I was trying to say, Lebron got a hard foul and he feels that it was "too rough and rugged" to be allowed and the NBA should help protect me from getting hard fouls. Every elite player whines about fouls but this is LeBron whining about getting fouled TOOOO hard. Hell he gets touch fouls all the time so I imagine this is different to get a REAL foul so it does make his argument ring true. He is upset that teams are actually fouling him instead of just letting him walk to the FT line on phantom calls or one of his numerous FLOPS. That is what this is about...not whining about getting or not getting fouls called on him but the physical component that he is butt hurt about. _________________ This Laker Organization has not yet hit bottom. It is moving there quickly, and I suspect this year we will see zero talent coming to the Lakers and we will trade away Kuz and BI for old vets in the hopes of giving LeBronze some scapegoats.
Wow. I'm going to feel sorry for you if Lebron wins another ring this year. With that much hate, it might well kill you.
I've eased up so much on the Lebron hate. I have no reason to hate now. Back to back rings, 4 finals appearances in a row. I still dislike him, only because he's not a laker. _________________ Thank you, Kobe. We love you.
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
jonnybravo wrote:
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I think Kobe whines all the time about calls. But all NBA stars do. Don't think he's much better or worse than most other superstars. They all have a huge sense of entitlement.
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
LAL4K3RS wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah"
Doesn't every NBA superstar whine about calls -- Lebron, Duncan, Garnett, Blake Griffin, Wade, Kobe. You breathe on any of these guys and they get all bugged-eye and cry to the refs.
You missed what I was trying to say, Lebron got a hard foul and he feels that it was "too rough and rugged" to be allowed and the NBA should help protect me from getting hard fouls. Every elite player whines about fouls but this is LeBron whining about getting fouled TOOOO hard. Hell he gets touch fouls all the time so I imagine this is different to get a REAL foul so it does make his argument ring true. He is upset that teams are actually fouling him instead of just letting him walk to the FT line on phantom calls or one of his numerous FLOPS. That is what this is about...not whining about getting or not getting fouls called on him but the physical component that he is butt hurt about.
Well, the player who issued this foul did get called for a flagrant one, so it's not like it was a ticky tack foul. Personally, I don't like all the complaining. Lebron whines a heck of a lot, but so does everyone else. But I guess if Lebron's whining results in more flagrant one calls and ejections he's getting what he wants, but I still don't like it from him or any of the other superstars. I wish they would all shut up.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
LAL4K3RS wrote:
So Lebron has come out and said, "I am not going to cry about it but blah blah blah" The specimen that so many have said is the GOAT is about as soft as a French Duke eating cheese in a hammock. That foul on him by THE BEARD was such a joke...it was such a gd flop you almost grimace at the sight of it.
Then comes the hug by Toronto's big man stopping James from dunking. Great foul, it was not a clothesline nor was it at all malicious. You want a clothes line, look at the 80's basketball teams. LeBron needs to take off his nappy cause he is filling it with BS excuses and just diminishing his overall respect. I hope he actually gets an 80's era foul so he can see what it feel like cause those last two F-1 fouls were jokes.
For a guy his size its embarrassing. Grow a pair Lebron cause you got nothing between your legs except maybe for THE BEARDS foot.
Wow, you really got a thing going on for Lebron. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:18 am Post subject: Re: NBA too tough for LeBron
activeverb wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
Sorry AV, you got the wrong guy if you think Kobe's a guy that gets bug eyed and whiny on touch fouls...like ever. It's one thing to "try" to be unbiased but it's entirely another to grossly misrepresent things in the other direction.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I think Kobe whines all the time about calls. But all NBA stars do. Don't think he's much better or worse than most other superstars. They all have a huge sense of entitlement.
This isn't about players trying to milk fouls out of the refs, everyone does that, this is about complaining after the fact about "being fouled too hard" _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong
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